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Second referendum announced!

999 replies

Isadora2007 · 13/03/2017 11:47

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Will your vote change next time?

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NoLotteryWinYet · 14/03/2017 16:18

I'll just leave this here, backing up what tomorrow said earlier:

Baroness Liddell, another Labour peer, reveals that she has been told by a developer who says £50m was wiped off Scottish property market overnight- following the First Minister's announcement.

OOAOML · 14/03/2017 16:28

Be interested in some figures to back that up about the property market - I do know there was a stall in the market around the first referendum, and people putting clauses in the contract, but to have calculated an actual figure within 24 hours of an announcement seems bizarre.

The pound apparently went up after the announcement. Although markets (including property) seem to be all over the place because of all the upheaval and have been since last summer.

BaggyCheeks · 14/03/2017 16:36

If the petition gains the 100000 signatures required for a parliamentary debate, how many of our SNP MPs do you think will go along to represent us, or will we just get told they know us better than we know ourselves?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 14/03/2017 16:42

Is there a link to the petition somewhere?

I'd imagine that if it hits the 100,000 May could use that in argument for witholding consent.

Conversely, unless there is also a petition for the referendum it is pretty meaningless.

I guess you could count the number of people who voted for pro indy parties in the last election, and see if that is more or less?

NoLotteryWinYet · 14/03/2017 16:43

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/180642

It'd have to reach over half the Scottish population to make Nicola Sturgeon think twice :)

Tomorrowisanewday · 14/03/2017 17:08

That's interesting, No. The issue that I was also highlighting was investment not happening (which happened before the previous independence referendum as well).

OOAOML - yes, numerous deals were signed before the last independence referendum containing clauses allowing for the contract to fall if independence happened.

Y0uCann0tBeSer10us · 14/03/2017 17:18

People vote for parties for all kinds of reasons Its, and it doesn't necessarily translate into support for independence. The only real test is to ask people that specific question, and polls consistently show no appetite for another independence referendum, even after Brexit.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-39264468

What the petition does it draw attention to this fact, force discussion of it, and maybe (hopefully?) force the SNP to concede that this is not in fact the will of Scotland at all.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 14/03/2017 17:25

The only real test is to ask people that specific question

Indeed.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 14/03/2017 17:29

Scotland has the worst budget deficit of any country in the EU by a long way. Of course the Natters will have you believe this is because England is stealing from Scotland. It isn't.

Please make sure the graph loads as it is frightening.

www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/03/14/five-charts-show-economically-risky-scottish-independence-would/

Thegruffalowswife · 14/03/2017 17:34

I know they say voting them in is some sort of manate for independence, but they were actually very clear before 2015 ge saying a vote for the snp is not a vote for indyref 2. That will have fooled a lot of people, but it won't any more. Grin
She lost the last one and all the polls say scotland does not want another one and to Nikki that somehow translates as mandate?

Monstermuncher · 14/03/2017 17:39

The petition is steadily rising. Its over 57,000 now. I signed it just less than an hour ago and it was below 50,000 names then

Y0uCann0tBeSer10us · 14/03/2017 17:44

That deficit graph is really something Lass. But the EU will be falling over themselves to have us? Doesn't quite add up does it?

Iggi999 · 14/03/2017 17:53

Has anyone here been polled about appetite for a referendum? I know I have never been asked.
In my opinion Brexit change everything. I still can't believe how that vote went.

Nyx · 14/03/2017 17:53

I understand the recent polls show that Scots are split around 50:50 on the independence issue.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 14/03/2017 17:55

I have seen reports of polls recently saying 60%+ of Scots don't even want another referendum, @Iggi999. But Nicola and the SNP don't care about that, when they are claiming to be speaking for all Scots.

rogueantimatter · 14/03/2017 17:56

I've just signed the petition. Thank you PPs for the link.

If one more person claims that "The people of Scotland will make Scotland what we want it to be"........... I am a person of Scotland - I don't want to be torn out of the uk. I didn't vote SNP. I have never had a government I've voted for.

Nicola Sturgeon is incredibly rude and unprofessional in the Scottish parliament. I listened to FM's QT the other week and was appalled at the unprofessional, rude responses she made to Q's from the leaders of the other parties. She is IMO worse than the Westminster politicians in that respect.

Scotland would not benefit from having a much smaller pool of resources, human and otherwise on which to draw.

Why would we needlessly spend time and resources on setting up Scottish bodies when we currently have perfectly good british bodies?

There is no argument on the grounds of Scottish identity. It has the same languages, religions, culture, ethnicities as rUK.

The argument that smaller is better is a case of reduction ad absurdam. Rule from Edinburgh would result in people from the highlands and islands feeling under-represented.

How would we explain why we voted to dismantle the UK? We thought we deserved a bigger share of the playground so we drew a line down the middle of it and set up our own stuff for our side of the playground needlessly resulting in two sets of everything.

It feels like my family's life is being messed about with for no good reason. DS who will leave school this summer wanted to apply to study in a EU country, but we talked him out of it as the fees would probably be prohibitively expensive once we are ex-EU. Instead he accepted a place in London. Btw the Scottish govt has scrapped the extra amount of loan that Scottish students in London used to be allowed to borrow. If she has her way he could find himself studying in a foreign country anyway. Great. And before anyone trumpets the free fees for Scottish students at Scottish unis..... the threshold for paying back student loans for Scottish graduates is quite a bit lower than for English students and they are liable to pay it back over 35 rather than 30 years. DS would be very unlikely to be able to transfer to the same course in Scotland in the event of his fees going up if Scotland became independent as there is only one place for his specialism in the whole of Scotland.

The independence campaingn sounded like Donald flaming Trump with his America first, americans come first rhetoric. We want a fairer, more equitable Scotland etc - doesn't the snp want that for the whole of UK? No. They want power, at any price.

I shudder to think how insular and inward-looking we would be if Scotland became independent. Perhaps the teaching in state schools would be done exclusively in gaelic or doric. I can just imagine the 'North East man dies in ship disaster' type news.

I really really hope that TM doesn't allow another referendum. What a waste of time, energy and money.

SantanaLopez · 14/03/2017 18:00

Thank you for the petition. It's visibly going up and up, quite heartening.

Whisky2014 · 14/03/2017 18:05

Petition starts "we in scotland are fed up" well no, half are and half arent..

user1488581876 · 14/03/2017 18:05

Staying in the UK would be a huge risk for Scotland.

A hard Brexit and cut in trade will bring on a major recession in the UK. With a Tory govenment, Scotland will definitely feel the brunt of it. With just one seat in Scotland, it's not like the Tories have anything to lose!

The only way Scotland can protect itself is leave.

Thegruffalowswife · 14/03/2017 18:07

Yes but you won't sign it if you don't agree. It is essentially a letter signed by around 60,000 peeps at the moment.

Iggi999 · 14/03/2017 18:08

I am just dubious about polls that's all, as I never hear of any of my friends or family being asked about their views.

Whisky2014 · 14/03/2017 18:09

Yes but they wont all be in scotland will they?

Thegruffalowswife · 14/03/2017 18:13

If you look at the map it is very clearly scottish people.

Whisky2014 · 14/03/2017 18:13

Basically everyone seems a bit hysterical at the moment. One day in and its already doing my head in. I doubt westminster could deny the 2nd referendum and why would they? A significant thig has changed so surely to let us scots have the final say is the right thing to do be it if the final outcome is Yes or No. Once this is done, we have the final outcome. Nothing else can sway it.
Personally, i think just let it happen and if its a No then Yes camp csnnot say "but we were lied to" about anything else.

SantanaLopez · 14/03/2017 18:14

You can see the petition signers represented on a map, and yes, they are all in Scotland. You need to provide a postcode.

petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=180642