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ALL NEW Road to Recovery for the Recently Ditched No. 5

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IfYoureHappyAndYouKnowIt · 02/07/2010 01:12

Dearly Be-Chucked, we are gathered here today because, for whatever reason, our man has dumped us!

Whether you are a new dumpling or a vet, feel free to join us in our quest for serenity.

OP posts:
beebers · 23/07/2010 09:07

i had to swallow my pride and ask the computer genius ex partner to help me do it. he has gone off for a weekend because he 'needs a break from all of this' and has told him to only contact him if its a dire emergency. roughly translate that too 'i'm fucking someone else please do not disturb.'

armbow · 23/07/2010 09:08

reasons to be glad h has gone

not having to constantly cheer him up
not having to constantly try to be a better person so he would love me more.
not having to entertain him in all areas
not having to worry if i am pretty enough/thin enough to keep him.

I can just be me !!!!

he really did a big f all for me in the last 2 years of our marriage i wonder why i clung on to him so tightly ......

< goes off to ponder and make another coffee>

armbow · 23/07/2010 09:18

PATIENCE

can i ask you a quick question please?

when i came on this thread i was inspired by your strength and your resolve to move forward.
considering your situation now with your h, do you think you always had a hope that you would try again or did you completely close the door?

If you closed the door on him how are you getting your head around what is happening?

teaandcakeplease · 23/07/2010 09:39

Loving your post at 9.08 Armbow. Great to see you going from strength to strength.

So sad to hear you say Beebers, that your P doesn't want to be disturbed. What about your 2 DD's together? At least you can be sure whoever he is now, he is not the man you fell in love with, even though this is painful. I remember finding it all so difficult to begin with. Keep talking to us x

IfYoureHappyAndYouKnowIt · 23/07/2010 10:16

Morning all

Beebers I had the I'm fucking someone else do not disturb also! Which was especially sad when I had major DC issues that XH was fully aware of but chose to conveniently ignore. And actually its his treatment of those issues that has made it hard for me to forgive and forget. I've realised that a lot of my love for XH was based upon respect for the decent, trustworthy and genuine person he was. I knew he had faults and wasn't the most dynamic person in the world. But I always thought he would be an honest person and am amazed that he can ignore a major challenge we have with one of the DC's as if it simply does not exist. It's as he can't deal with it so has simply eradicated it from his mind.

It has though very much helped me to realise that it is good this man is out of my life and to not be bothered about OW.

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gettingeasier · 23/07/2010 11:40

Oh Armbow "not having to constantly try to be a better person so he would love me more"

That was my lifes work for over 2 years but on the plus side actually all the therapy I did DID make me a better person but its for ME and also has enabled me to deal with our split very well (so I am told !)rather than think my lifes over because he doesnt love me.

I dont doubt for a minute every dumpling has looked back at some of the things they did/put up with etc and thought WHY ? I have noted a couple of slightly cutting remarks on other threads about the likes of us and eye rolling "why would they have put up with that " comments.

Anyway I am in a great mood today so ready to do the Armbow thing

Practical thing : make a list of every monthly outgoing ready for maintenance chat with twunt.
Emotional Step :Make time for my relaxation CD and reinforce neural pathway to brain that says You're OK !

gettingeasier · 23/07/2010 11:49

Oh yes and what I should have said is thankyou to everyone who has supported me with their comments last few days , it makes such a difference xxx

littlecritter · 23/07/2010 12:28

Hello all. Sorry I'm being a bit useless atm but things very difficult in the critter household.

Had another big do with XP last night. Lost my temper with him and he lost his temper with me . The problem is that he is still in very close contact with OW - she is a family friend and they work together. I asked him to cut all ties with her and he said no as she is just a friend (and yes, I am waiting for the book from Amazon!). He says I mean more to him than she does so why won't he do this? Don't answer, I know why really . So, it is officially now 100% over.

I don't know whether to feel sad or relieved. I don't think I love him any more. How can that evaporate so quickly? He was the love of my life . I've asked XP to tell ds on Sunday .

startingovernow · 23/07/2010 12:41

Waves to all...

Happy, the quotes actually came from a small desk type flipchart calander that you use year after year as it just has the date & daily quote. It's called "Mottos for Success" A daily inspirational quotebook by Maria Fontaine. I'd imagine you could pick one up in any stationary shop. I really love mine .

Getting, glad you are feeling so positive today.

Beebers, don't get your son to lie to his father, at the end of the day what do you care what his father thinks?? Sounds like you will be well rid of partner judging by what your ds said about you crying everyday.

Armbow, I've pondered why I equally tried so hard to make marriage work but I guess at the end of the day even if the marriage isn't ideal most women will fight to keep their families together if at all possible & be prepared to work to resolve the issues.

Getting, I've equally posted my email on this thread a few times when people wanted to contact me but what I did was create a new email address & once persone contacted me I gave them my proper email address

teaandcakeplease · 23/07/2010 12:45

LC - he has to take your fears seriously and be transparent in order for trust to be rebuilt. He does need to change his relationship with her drastically in order for you two to work things out All in the book

Grrrrrr

"why would they have put up with that " comments. Very easy for people lucky enough to be in a good relationship to say that. It's very hard deciding to end your marriage when you have children. And people who make comments like that may find that if the worst happened to them, it's not as black and white as they think. IYSWIM?

startingovernow · 23/07/2010 12:49

LC, sorry the hear where you at atm. From what I've read on here it would take an awful lot of hard work from both parties to put marriage right after an affair. The first step would be to cut contact with OW I'd imagine. I don't see how you could ever heal as long as there is contact. Perhaps this will be a blessing in disguise & spare you from a lot of further pain down the line.

startingovernow · 23/07/2010 12:51

Tea, I agree about it never being black or white & posted the same further up the thread. I also think it's v easy for people on the outside to judge etc.

armbow · 23/07/2010 14:58

Hi all quickie as I am at work.

Lc _ glad the book is on its way..... sorry to hear things are amiss but you need firm immovable boundaries set up between these 2 if it is to ever work. Thinking of you.

Hope everyone's cool

I am still being smiley - everyone probably think I am mad

Oh. I bumped into one of h's work colleagues earlier - looks like he hasn't told anyone at work..... whoops... they know now ;)

Patienceobtainsallthings · 23/07/2010 15:59

Waves to everyone,
No probs AB and i will try and explain how i went from divorce pending to reconcilliation[btw some bloke viewing the cottage just now told me to get off my laptop and do the dishes i just laffed in his face ]
Anyway just to say i was dealing with selfish immature H with drink problems who had managed to see the world as some kind of pre 1950's male entitlement/supremecy bollocks since we had kids .I suffered from losing my independence financially etc and he basically started going to the pub most nights and when he got home detatched from me at night and we werent a couple.I basically told him this wasnt a life for me and he was losing his family.He would just tell me if i didnt like it then to feck off.
Basically in Nov i found some stuff out that made me realise he had been lying to me and living a double life ,he just wasnt happy with his life with me.We just fought thru nov dec he didnt really live here by then but split for good boxing day.Then he went on self indulgent benders still paid our bills but really hit the bottle.At this point i didnt know where he was,didnt answer calls ,texts etc just drank .We had been together 15yrs.I was in shock couldnt believe my H could be so selfish not see his kids etc.Anyway basically by easter he arrived back wanting to make a go of things but by then i was well on my recovery road .Recovering from his abusive behaviour and from all the other people in my life that had led to me accepting abusive behaviour.I have read loads about following patterns imprinted by our parents or carers,i have read loads on co-dependence,i have read about positivity and posted about letting your inner voice stay positive,i have felt empowerment i never knew i possessed,i learnt about boundaries,i studied forgiveness,i found that inner peace and serenity are great gifts to possess and i will always be my priority.
So easter reconcilliation lasted about 24hrs.I am now zero tolerance to any aggression in my home ,anyone swearing at me basically i have chosen to break the cycle of dysfunction .{i agree btw re judgement ,people will never know the path we walked to get here but as startin says most women will try anything to keep a family together and apart from this website there isnt alot out there to guide us IMO i think after a while it also becomes normal ,you seem to cope and keep getting on with life also people can say i would NEVER put up with that ,how do they know ...have they ever been put in the position ?]I learnt alot from alanon about my rights as a human being .Being away from H gave me a peace i had never had it gave me room to breathe and a time for self discovery .Indeed this time was a gift.He continued lying ,drinking and being an inconsiderate arse,we did counselling he lied thru that.eventually i just instinctively knew he was holding something back and finally i found out that he had been living next to the pub since xmas and not infact sorting himself out like he had been telling me ,so at least i knew my instincts were good.At that point i had had enough could no longer live on this merry go round needed to get off so booked an appointment with sol.I didnt particularly want to divorce him ,although he gave me more pain than anyone else in my life i still loved him unconditionally,but i knew i needed out for my sanity ,my self esteem and my dcs stability.I walked out the sols office a single woman ,knowing i needed to find a home and a new job but i had regained control of my life and it felt good.
Blanked H completely for a week no phonecalls no texts nothing.Who the fuck did he think he was FFS!He was always my kryptonite always the charmer the manipulator not anymore.A fortnight passed,he took the kids out on the Sunday he didnt come into the house,he was civilised not smug but i couldnt even look at him ,sols letter drafted,i told everyone i had had enough and was getting a divorce i guess just saying it out loud made it real,told about ten friends that didnt even know we had split.he asked me if i wanted a divorce i said no but i had to protect myself and dcs from his behaviour ,told him i wasnt his wife.Basically last Saturday he phoned up and apologised for his behaviour,told me he accepted responsibility for his actions and wanted his family back.As you can imagine i have gone thru every emotion since nov 2010 but he has never spoken with respect in his voice before ,so that is why he got a chance.Maybe he just needed to get it all out of his system who knows i cant think for him and tbh because i am still detatched from this emotionally i dont care how the H i knew b4 has reappeared but for the first time EVER he is listening to me.For the first time EVER i respect myself but that can still improve ,my self confidence is still growing my boundaries re unacceptable behaviour are strong and i have a worse case scenario of what...he leaves me ...well i know now i can cope with that and he knows that too .

Do i trust him ...no
Will i grow to trust him ...maybe
Do i want us to be a family...always did
Do i love him ...not in the way i did ,this will grow if i trust and respect him but will take time,
Will i ever go back to the life i knew b4 ...NO!

The opposite of ABUSE is RESPECT

If i am respected by my husband i will stay with my husband and i will be content.
Any unacceptable behaviour emotional or otherwisw will lead to my unhappiness ,i no longer will accept this.

Hope that answers ur question ab ask away for anything else,i feel stronger and more in control than b4 i am my own person living my own life i dont look to him for anything or feel inferior to him. I feel like this is my 2nd marriage the one for my 40's.
Learned how to forgive the bad bits but he has to be patient not cross if i have a wobble re phones ,memories etc.All been spoken about.He doesnt go to the pub anymore .
He basically isnt coming the c**t anymore and he knows if he does its not going to last cos i wont accept it anymore.
I told him his happiness is his responsibility and as he has found out it doesnt come from a can .He has to do the things that make him happy thats his job not mine and vice versa .

I will work away at my new career opportunity and find joy and contentment there too.just no longer need a man to validate me ,so i know im not doing this because i need to ,only because i want to and i have seen enough change in my H s behaviour to put the divorce on hold.But i reckon it will take at least 9 mths to get back on track but it is nice having my friend home ,we just need to get to know each other again x

Patienceobtainsallthings · 23/07/2010 16:09

ps In summary LOL
I kept pushing him away when i knew his behaviour hadnt changed ,
Independent of him...
i did a lot of ME work ,discovering and working on my weaknesses ,whether or not i last with H ,that time alone to strengthen my character has been a gift .
Improving my self confidence has helped me become more assertive and everyone in my life treats me with more respect because i treat myself with more respect,
Everyone deserves the right to be respected in their own home .
Dont feel over powered by any one elses opinion ,you have the right to be heard.

Not even started about crystals yet......

Lifes too short to accept 2nd best be free to live your life ,they are men ,not Gods !

Also all this turmoil has left me pretty laid back about all this not really expecting much and if he upsets my serenity he can piss off !

Big hugs to everyone let your emotions flood out ,try not to repress them ,let the pain go .......

littlecritter · 23/07/2010 18:57

Wow, patience. That is an inspiration. Lifes too short to accept 2nd best rings so true to me right now.

Glad you're still feeling smiley, armbow.

Tea, I think XP needs to read the book as much as I do, if not more. But I come first now so he'll have to wait.

Anyway, today marks the 3rd week of him leaving and he is still living in hotels. He has told only 2 people that he is not living at home but not the reason why. Even his parents don't know that we've split. I have emailed him about financial stuff and asked for £625 per month as a temporary arrangement. I will go for a 70/30 equity split on the house and buy him out. 60/40 is still ok as a worst case scenario.

Hope everyone else is ok.

littlecritter · 23/07/2010 19:04

Starting, I think I have definitely saved myself from further heartache. You are 100% right there.

Beebers, thinking of you. Awful to imagine them on a shagfest. Let's hope she gets a particularly painful and heavy period for the weekend .

gettingeasier · 23/07/2010 19:23

LC am loving your insouciant attitude re equity split you make it sound like a dead cert..tell me more.

Btw am slightly breathless at the speed at which this going from reconciliation to divorce all in 3 weeks Seriously hope you are ok

Do I need to read this book does it cover lots of dumpling issues ?

Patienceobtainsallthings · 23/07/2010 19:43

www.katsandogz.com/onmarriage.html for mumfun, poem i read that i thought spoke of keeping your independence in marriage

teaandcakeplease · 23/07/2010 19:44

The book is about infidelity Getting.

LC - I really feel you shouldn't arrange or agree anything financially without a solicitor. I know in some ways dealing with it now eases any worry but on the other hand, the equity split doesn't sound right to me? I don't want you fleeced.

Starting - I can't even remember what was said 20 posts ago on here, but it is so true isn't it? I remember being so smug about all sorts of things and when it happens to you, you realise all your preconceptions are completely wrong. Maybe other people aren't like that though

Armbow - I reckon your H hasn't told work colleagues as he's worried about how he'll look. So glad they heard it from the horses mouth and not his version first My H didn't tell a soul about us either. And the close friend he did tell, he told a pack of lies too.

I've got brownies cooling on the side and they smell soooo good.

Patienceobtainsallthings · 23/07/2010 19:46

Not just marriage... just about celebrating your independence in a relationship,thanks LC ,sunny here so had a great day with the dcs ,hope everyone has a chilled weekend x

startingovernow · 23/07/2010 20:07

Well, just nearly broke my toe kicking the shite out of the beanbag upstairs. Two days ago I decided to do the right thing & inform xh that he had won a prize (approx £250) & what he needed to do to claim it. He had said on several occasions that he was going to pay for dc's summer holls so just added at end of email that I had borrowed money to take dc's on holl & they would be gone from such a date to such a date. This was his reply "i have forwarded this email to my solicitor and he doesn't understand and neither do i that you are informing me that you are taking the kids on holidays as i am not informed about anything else . please do not attempt to contact me again be email or text please communicate any messages through your solicitor "

F**king rage is coursing through my veins. I always sent texts informing him about stuff to do with dc's, he has NEVER once responded. DD had tried to ring him a few days ago & left two messages for him to ring her back. She rang again this aft & he told her I was not allowing him to see them & that he would be getting his solicitor to send her a letter to explain. She said to him you'd be allowed see us if you behaved yourself & he told her to stop & that he was going as he wasn't going to listen to that!

F ASS**

Dear God I'm going to have to put on a pair of boots & attack the beanbag again ..........F** Furious

littlecritter · 23/07/2010 20:07

Tea - 70% equity to me and 30% to him. Shall I go for 80%? I will see a solicitor soon. I haven't mentioned these figures to him but I did ask him for some maintenance before he spends all his wages on hotel bills .

Also, despite being together for 14 years we never actually got round to getting married so there will be no divorce, just the finances to sort out. Oh, and my emotions too I supppose . There is another little twist to the fact that we are not married and that is that XP does not have Parental Responsibility for ds. Whilst I would never, ever prevent contact I will insist that XP goes to court to get PR and that will much easier and less expensive with my co-operation. But I'll keep that on the back burner for now.

I'm actually very devious, you know . Nobody's going to be fleecing me, I can assure you .

littlecritter · 23/07/2010 20:13

Oh, starting what shitty behaviour from a shitty person (him not you, obviously). You know, XP could do anything to me but if he behaved badly towards ds I would want to tear him limb from limb. The sad thing is that sometimes you just have to lower your expectations to zero for men ike this otherwise you will drive yourself bonkers.

teaandcakeplease · 23/07/2010 20:14

LC - Oooo no that's good. For some reason I thought it was the other way round. Good for you

Dear God Starting how rude is he? And totally unjustified over such a small thing about mentioning DCs and you were doing him a favour telling him about prize money. How can anyone be so full of hate dislike for someone, especially their wife. How horrid, rude, inconsiderate, unkind, thoughtless, selfish, egotistical and other choice words And as for all that stuff to his own daughter, words fail me

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