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My children are the reason he's leaving, any advice?

365 replies

PatienceRequired · 27/03/2010 15:46

Hi all,
I am unsure whether to post this here or on the step family board but i am a regular lurker here and so feel more at home on this board.

My partner and i have been together for nearly 4 years and we both have two children from previous relationships. His are grown and independant while mine are only 7 and 4 years old. We have one dd together who is 26 months.

He wants to leave due to the fact that he just can not tolerate my two children. We have had issues before with the way he disciplines them so harshly and gives them little positive interaction to balance it. But when he tries he can be lovely with them. This is the only sticking point in our relationship.

He says he doesn't want to leave me and dd but just cant bear my 2 anymore. He says if he had somewhere to go he would be gone but he seems to be in such turmoil, like he wants to stay but dosen't want to either. He seems in such a dark place i am worried for his mental health regardless of the outcome for us as a couple. Not helped by the fact that yesterday he found out he may be out of a job in 6 weeks.

We are still "friends" and are talking lots, we don't really do shouting and screaming with venom when we have a problem but a conversation, with calm voices and taking time to consider what is being said. last night he cried which is only the second time i have seen in cry. (the other being at his brothers wedding in feb) To be honest its like he's having a midlife crisis. He assures me its not "us" that is the problem but my 2 children. And he is feeling angrier with them each day as they mean that he can't be with me and dd.

I have suggested that we can't be the only step family to have this issue and there must be some help available but he won't entertain the idea at all. He dosen't have any faith in counselling or alternative therapies at all. Or any compassion for mental health problems. As if you cant see the injury it dosen't exist. I have discussed my concern with him re his mental health but he believes that the kids are the cause of how low he feels, when i question if they are just an easy scapegoat.

As it stands he's looking for somewhere to go but not coming up with any options. In the meantime we are all kinda walking on eggshells, and it has over the years affected my relationship with my kids negatively. I know i can't allow him to treat them badly, but feel like i am in no-win situation. If we stay together then 2 of my children may be affected but if we split then the little dd life will never b the same again. I know all about 2 seperate happy parents are better than 2 miserable together, and she is young enough to adapt, but either way some of them are going to end up f*cked up and thats without taking my wishes into consideration.

I'm not sure what i want from this really, any one got any advice, or similar experiences? how did you deal with it and what was the outcome? Perhaps i just need to vent and have a virtual hand hold... i don't know what to feel really...scared to think about how i feel in case i just fall apart and cant get it back together again for the kids. It just seems such a shame when we as a couple are happy together.

OP posts:
Portofino · 29/03/2010 21:34

Are you the OP's DP WhoDoYouThink? You sound very angry! My dd eats with her mouth open sometimes. I tell her it is not very polite. I don't shout and discipline her for it.

LadyintheRadiator · 29/03/2010 21:35

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Portofino · 29/03/2010 21:39

And as I recall UnlikelyAmazonian is unfortunately a bit of an "expert" in abusive relationships and does NOT deserve your comment. YOU should be ashamed of yourself!

ItsGraceAgain · 29/03/2010 21:50

I wonder what PatienceRequired, the literate & articulate (if misguided) person who posted this thread, is doing with a partner who rants insanely in mangled txt spk?

WhoDoYouThinkYouAre72 · 29/03/2010 21:57

No i am not the OP's partner...I am new to this today and i came on here to get some advice on some matters myself...and all i seem to have come across is an abusive bunch of individuals...Not one person on here knows either party yet your all so quick to put words in their mouths.

Everyone has jumped to rash conclusions on matters they really don't know alot about..

Portofino...As i recall UnlikelyAmazonian called PRs partner a TWAT...SO THEY TOO SHOULD BE ASHAMED. They don't know this person, nobody does... its just judgemental. And telling your children it's not very polite is a form of disciplin...But everybody is different.

I will not be posting anything on here again, I have had enough already!

AnyFucker · 29/03/2010 22:04

is this UA's ex-P ???

LadyBiscuit · 29/03/2010 22:13

WhoDoYouThinkYouAre/OP's parent: "he is obviously doing his best as a step dad to them to take the place as male role model in their life."

Bollocks.

  • he disciplines them so harshly and gives them little positive interaction to balance it.
  • he is feeling angrier with them each day as they mean that he can't be with me and dd.
  • we are all kinda walking on eggshells, and it has over the years affected my relationship with my kids negatively.
  • he does discipline them i wont go into detail but it would certainly get flamed on here.
  • i've known its wrong, just didn't have the strength to leave.
  • i wish he could just be the grown up and like my kids.

Not a male role model I'd want in a child's life

dizietsma · 29/03/2010 22:36

Odds on WDYTYA is PR's partner, I searched her other posts earlier and they contained a lot of references to discipline or as her OH puts it "disciplin". Seems disclipine is a big issue in their household, that's a reassuring sign that there's no abuse then

WDYTYA, if kids should be disciplined for eating with their mouths open you should be flogged for your spelling.

LadyBiscuit · 29/03/2010 22:43

Obviously meant partner, not parent. I'm almost certain it's her partner - I can't imagine anyone else thinking this man is a decent role model

memoo · 29/03/2010 22:47

It might even be the OP

MrsPixie · 29/03/2010 22:57

this is her partner. OMG I feel sick.

Tanga · 29/03/2010 23:06

Oh God.

Maybe it was never about the children.

Maybe it was about her, being controlled by threats to her children. She said she couldn't post if he was around. That last post...dictated? "please try and read all i write" He's thrown a major fit and blamed her for all these stroppy women saying he is an abuser? Then posted himself, lashing out at one of us - what is that about?

OP if you are in a difficult situation right now, phone Woman's Aid, phone the police, anybody. They will not judge you. Maybe you think we have been harsh and confirmed some weird idea of yourself. Better days can be found. GET THE KIDS OUT.

Pennies · 29/03/2010 23:16

Is it worth asking MN if it's being posted from the same place? I feel distinctly unnerved by WDYTYA.

Kewcumber · 29/03/2010 23:19

I have no idea whther the OP's partner is abusive in reality or has the potential to be abusive. But why would you live with someone who doesn't like your children and appears to be unable to even pretend that he likes them?

Why would you do that?

Because you are fine as a couple? BEcause your youngest gets to live with her father who dislikes her siblings? Is that sufficient?

I'm single and I just can't imagine wanting to have sex and live with someone who is, at the very minimum, nice to my lovely DS.

ThatVikRinA22 · 29/03/2010 23:27

ooook. whoever you are, mr or mrs angry, just for you.

from OP
"And he is feeling angrier with them each day as they mean that he can't be with me and dd."

this suggests to me that he is angry. with 2 children. for nothing more than how they are making him feel. or have i missed something?

from OP
"I have discussed my concern with him re his mental health but he believes that the kids are the cause of how low he feels, when i question if they are just an easy scapegoat."

this suggests that the kids are scapegoats, and that the OP feels her partner has some mental health issues

from OP
"As it stands he's looking for somewhere to go but not coming up with any options. In the meantime we are all kinda walking on eggshells, and it has over the years affected my relationship with my kids negatively. I know i can't allow him to treat them badly, but feel like i am in no-win situation. "

this suggests that they are all rather scared of inciting his anger, and the OPs relationship with her children is being damaged because of the negative impact of her partner

from OP
"I'm not sure what i want from this really, any one got any advice, or similar experiences? how did you deal with it and what was the outcome?

yes - i have had a similar experience. the outcome was i have no contact with my so called mother and my SF died a young man with so much rage in his heart it gave up on him, My half sibling to him ended up a heroin addict. and my mother is alone. hope that clears that one up.

i think you are the OPs partner. i bet your 5foot nothing with a tiny little dick and an ego to make up for it. but i could be wrong. thats the only guesswork from me. the rest of it was the facts as the OP saw them.

dizietsma · 29/03/2010 23:36

My SF also died young from heart issues, Vicar. His first heart attack came in the midst of beating my mother. It's some small consolation that their rage eventually eats them alive. It's a damned shame they have to destroy their families in the process.

QBEE · 29/03/2010 23:40

If WDYTYA's post came from the same address as PR's post then I desperately hope that MNHQ can step in and alert the appropriate people.

ThatVikRinA22 · 29/03/2010 23:46

well seems there is a cosmic justice dizie. i do believe from what i was told that when he no longer had anyone to abuse he started on my mother(you reap what you sow) - what really makes my skin crawl is the fact i found out prior to this he worked in a mental health hospital. god help those poor patients.

i did feel mightily satisfied when i heard he had gone, just as he was trying to enjoy retirement. karma. i do believe in karma. and my mother who was so afraid of being alone, now is.

cheerfulvicky · 29/03/2010 23:55

This thread makes my stomach churn with nervousness. I second QBEE's post, and can only hope that those poor children find themselves in a life that is better, happier, safe from anger and bullying and walking on eggshells. You can say what you like about the OP, but those children have been at the forefront of my mind since I started reading this thread when it started. I cannot get them out of my mind, and I just want to take them in my arms and promise then that everything is going to be okay. It kills me that nobody is going such a simple thing for them, and that makes me cry.

picmaestress · 30/03/2010 00:01

WhoDoYouThinkYouAre72, you seem angry. Nice name, by the way.

I'd laugh at the bloody idiocy of someone trying to fool a bunch of highly articulate and emotionally literate women like this, but I can't because the whole thing is just utterly terrifying and bizarre.

I hope the OP and kids are ok.

dizietsma · 30/03/2010 00:08

Yup, mine had just retired too, my mother also didn't want to be alone, now is.

How trite these weary tragedies are. They just keep on happening, and unfortuately us Cassandra's can only keep on warning as our pleas fall on deaf ears.

junglist1 · 30/03/2010 07:42

Mmm, I don't believe this anymore actually

lowenergylightbulb · 30/03/2010 10:24

I have never read anything as awful as this thread on this forum before.

Regardless of 'a snap shot of our family life...' you (the OP) said that he didn't like your children.

No one needs to read any other details about your family life, or look at your other posts. How the hell can any PARENT have a relationship with someone who openly states that they don't like your kids

The OP is deluded...or possibly is so wrapped up in her relationship with this poor, tortured soul that simply can't be arsed to do the right thing for her kids.

It's bloody disgraceful.

The OP shuold be ashamed, and that twat above (WDYTYA72) should be ashamed too ...(a) because I think it's the OP's DH and (b) because they are clearly a fecking moron of the highest order.

skihorse · 30/03/2010 10:26

I just wanted to say that I am very judgemental about men who abuse children.

Yep, I'm a judger - sue me!

ChickensHaveSinisterMotives · 30/03/2010 10:58

Oh, I think everyones entitled to put on their very best pair of judgeypants when faced with a situation like the OP describes.

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