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Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

My children are the reason he's leaving, any advice?

365 replies

PatienceRequired · 27/03/2010 15:46

Hi all,
I am unsure whether to post this here or on the step family board but i am a regular lurker here and so feel more at home on this board.

My partner and i have been together for nearly 4 years and we both have two children from previous relationships. His are grown and independant while mine are only 7 and 4 years old. We have one dd together who is 26 months.

He wants to leave due to the fact that he just can not tolerate my two children. We have had issues before with the way he disciplines them so harshly and gives them little positive interaction to balance it. But when he tries he can be lovely with them. This is the only sticking point in our relationship.

He says he doesn't want to leave me and dd but just cant bear my 2 anymore. He says if he had somewhere to go he would be gone but he seems to be in such turmoil, like he wants to stay but dosen't want to either. He seems in such a dark place i am worried for his mental health regardless of the outcome for us as a couple. Not helped by the fact that yesterday he found out he may be out of a job in 6 weeks.

We are still "friends" and are talking lots, we don't really do shouting and screaming with venom when we have a problem but a conversation, with calm voices and taking time to consider what is being said. last night he cried which is only the second time i have seen in cry. (the other being at his brothers wedding in feb) To be honest its like he's having a midlife crisis. He assures me its not "us" that is the problem but my 2 children. And he is feeling angrier with them each day as they mean that he can't be with me and dd.

I have suggested that we can't be the only step family to have this issue and there must be some help available but he won't entertain the idea at all. He dosen't have any faith in counselling or alternative therapies at all. Or any compassion for mental health problems. As if you cant see the injury it dosen't exist. I have discussed my concern with him re his mental health but he believes that the kids are the cause of how low he feels, when i question if they are just an easy scapegoat.

As it stands he's looking for somewhere to go but not coming up with any options. In the meantime we are all kinda walking on eggshells, and it has over the years affected my relationship with my kids negatively. I know i can't allow him to treat them badly, but feel like i am in no-win situation. If we stay together then 2 of my children may be affected but if we split then the little dd life will never b the same again. I know all about 2 seperate happy parents are better than 2 miserable together, and she is young enough to adapt, but either way some of them are going to end up f*cked up and thats without taking my wishes into consideration.

I'm not sure what i want from this really, any one got any advice, or similar experiences? how did you deal with it and what was the outcome? Perhaps i just need to vent and have a virtual hand hold... i don't know what to feel really...scared to think about how i feel in case i just fall apart and cant get it back together again for the kids. It just seems such a shame when we as a couple are happy together.

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CinnabarRed · 29/03/2010 10:13

And me. Please, please OP - finish it with him.

ThatVikRinA22 · 29/03/2010 10:17

Thankyou (truly) to those who offered hugs, last night i was a bit raw, im ok today. got to get on in a min, busy day, but i wanted to respond to the OP -

the OP has done exactly what my mother did when shown the reality of what my SF was doing. when SS got involved, she denied it and said i was making it all up to get attention. when she found my diary, where i poured all my feelings and wrote of each and every event, she burned it in front of me.

the OP seems to think that if its not got as physical perhaps as it was for me and Gedridofhimplease, then its going to be ok.

did you read my post OP? that is the emotional abuse that stays - that its the despair you remember. the anxiety stays with you.

you are classic of abuse that goes on ignored.

i photocopied that letter in full (i only typed out a bit of it on here to try and hit home - clearly that didnt work) and sent it to my mother. i never got a response. that says it all really and i fear that will be you in 30 years.

so peeps - do we think its worth contacting HQ? will they do anything? can they do anything?

WhoIsAsking · 29/03/2010 10:19

I think they might be able to do something Vicar.

And even if they can't, at least we'll have tried. (I wish someone had tried for you. bloody crying again here)

junglist1 · 29/03/2010 10:21

My Dad used to slap me up once in a while. It happened about 5 times that I remember. Always hard across the face, over and over. My mum never stopped him. She was never in the room when it happened, funny that. He was the breadwinner, so that was that. My brother was never hit, not once.
I've got no respect for my mum. She's spineless and pathetic in my eyes.

FabIsGettingThere · 29/03/2010 10:25

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Portofino · 29/03/2010 10:35

It is very sad, but not sure what MNHQ can do but maybe email the OP and ask her to reconsider getting outside help. And then maybe there is a risk that the DP could see that....?

ThatVikRinA22 · 29/03/2010 10:37

i think the problem is the the OP doesnt identify her husband as an abuser. she is thinking "bloody hell he isnt that bad" somewhere - deep down she knows what he is doing is damaging because she has posted about it (several times it seems) on here, but then she rationalises it, and its business as usual.

i will report this thread too, just in case HQ can do anything to help this family.

ive got to nip out now, but just want to say thanks, and reassure people that i am ok.

will report this now and pop back later.

RealityIsWalking100K · 29/03/2010 10:55

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Blu · 29/03/2010 11:30

PLEASE, people,

IME screaming at people does not help.

And having screamed at someone so that she does not return, if a poster is then pursued into RL, it will deter other posters from asking for help f fear of RL follow up that they feel may scare or expose them.

The more serious the potential situation, the more important it is to act effectively.

PatienceRequired · 29/03/2010 11:36

Ok i have still been reading all your replies.

I really feel you have all taken this too far. please try and read all i write before continuing to believe that i am allowing my children to be abused. Apologies that my post doesn't flow too well, i am tired.

We have differences of opinion on discipline. I cannot believe that we are the only couple who do. The physical discipline is not an issue now due to me standing up for my children in the past. My concern for the relationship between them is the low level of positive interaction from him. He acknowledges that this isn't good enough. The reason we are at this break point is because i am standing up for them.

I can see and have told him that the way he treats them is damaging them and it cannot continue. He too understands that, and while he wants to change isn't sure if he can and doesn't want to be back at this point again in the future, ie doesn't want to make "promises" he's not sure he can keep and the consequences of that for all of us. I'm not explaining myself very well but this is not just a case of switching a switch and suddenly adoring my children, it will take time and effort to build and improve the bond. Yes in most cases it would have happened by now, but we are trying to improve the situation.

I am prepared to end the relationship if the situation doesn't change, hence why we are at this point. I don't think that life is as black and white as you seem to imply. We have a problem and are trying to sort it out the best way possible. We are under no illusions that the best way may be for him not to be in the family but trying to see if we can work it out without taking that measure as there is a lot of good too about our life, which is worth fighting for.

By posting on here, i hoped to get some pointers on how step parents have overcome similar issues successfully, but instead have been flamed as a neglectful abusive selfish parent and troll. If i was that neglectful mother i wouldn't even acknowledge that there was a problem, let alone post on here, with the will ensure that the situation will be changed.

At the time of my op, i felt he didn't want to consider outside help or other strategies to change. However, while searching for help online he came across this thread. He has as a result examined if he is actually the demon you all think he is (btw he isn't imo) and whilst your perceptions of the situation are extreme he acknowledges that the situation cannot continue.

I imagine you will all think that that is why i am writing this, (because of my fear of the repurcussions of him reading it)but that is not the case. We are not a potential baby p case or in need of social services intervention. I am looking out for my babies, and want the best for them, hence this whole debacle. Who knows what way our lives will end up, ie together or seperate, but i assure you all, the children are my priority. That doesn't mean that this isn't painful, to be on the cusp of a relationship breakup. I wish i, or anyone i knew, had the problem free lives and you all seem to live.

I did also post thanks previously to those who shared their horrible experiences as children. I am sorry you had to go through this.

WRT to my previous posts, i am pleased to say that my 4 yr is now a lot less whingy, and excelling at school. He is a much happier boy both at home and school. Still prone to some whinging but what 4 year old isn't? He was whingy as a very young baby, before i even met his stepdad. Apparantly his dad was too as a young boy, dosen't make is easy to live with 24/7 though. Can't remember now what else you brought up but seriously we are ok.

Don't think i'll post again as i obviously get to a point before i resort to posting where i use emotive language to describe whats going on, which can be misconstrued easily online without tone and the whole picture etc.

Please stop worrying about my children now.

OP posts:
Slartybartfast · 29/03/2010 11:38

i hope you work it all out PR,
which is often what mn is for,
like a sound board.
take the good advice, chew on the rest
and reach your own conclusion

PatienceRequired · 29/03/2010 11:40

Thanks

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SpicedGerkin · 29/03/2010 11:41

'there is a lot of good too about our life, which is worth fighting for.'

Which part of living with someone who doesn't like you is good for your children?

4 years of it so far, how much longer do they have to feel that kind of shit is normal?

RealityIsWalking100K · 29/03/2010 11:44

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Slartybartfast · 29/03/2010 11:51

god you lot, she said she wasnt able to come back til monday morning.

AnyFucker · 29/03/2010 11:55

PR, whilst I acknowledge your bravery in coming back and facing all the negative posts and slurs on your parenting skills (and worse)...

I remain unconvinced, sorry

I think you are a woman who is placing her relationship with a man, above the emotional welfare of her children

that you have been doing that for some time

and that you will continue to do so

ChickensHaveSinisterMotives · 29/03/2010 12:03

Sadly, agree with AnyFucker. It is black and white. He doesn't like your children after raising them for four years. Their young lives are being shaped by his dislike, and you continue to make excuses. They will judge you.

WhoIsAsking · 29/03/2010 12:04

Waste of time.

picmaestress · 29/03/2010 12:11

Hm. So your DH has read this whole thread? Really?

What was his reaction? I mean, it's pretty unanimous, isn't it? You're the only person in this thread who thinks his behaviour is okay.

I am utterly perplexed by your partial retraction of what you originally posted, by trying to qualify his behaviour as 'trying to change'. Was it untrue? Exaggerated? Not accurate? What is this jumping around of emphasis and viewpoint?

My perception of the situation is not extreme in the slightest. You posted that he is unable to tolerate his step-children. The overwhelming verdict is that only an appalling person behaves like this. If I asked a question on this forum, and got a unanimous reaction, I would seriously question myself, and I would not be retracting or getting defensive because my other half was now reading it.

You did not get any helpful pointers from other step parents, because this situation does not just 'get overcome'.

Oh, and 'DH'. If you're reading this: children are not dogs. They learn 'respect' by being shown it as an example, not by having it physically drummed into them.

Staycee · 29/03/2010 12:12

I'm sorry but ur fella is a JERK!!!!!!!!!!!

Ur kids r 7 and 4 and he has a problem with them!

Unfortunately U came as a package with them 2 little mites and this bloke knew that when he got with u.

U may think I'm being harsh but I am part of a stepfamily and was 1 as a child - I adore my 2 stepchildren and my husband adores my kids it's not 2 say we havn't had our issues with all 5 of them. They hav fought argued and much more with each other and me and my husband hav also had the backlash from them from the "ur not my real dad" 2 the "I hate it here I want 2 go live with my real dad"

And not ONCE hav me or my husband thought about giving our relationship up.

This man is a complete selfish knob who doesn't deserve the consideration u are giving him.

U worry about ur child with him but wot about ur other 2?????????????

My stepmother hated me as a child and in turn I didn't visit very often.

Ur child with this man will get used 2 things my youngest was 2 wen my ex left n he doesn't even remember the arguin n stuff that occured between me and his dad.

I'm sorry if u think I'm bein horrible but this man really annoyed me!

skihorse · 29/03/2010 12:17

Shitting hell. He's been "trying to be nice to them" for 4 years, how many more does he need fgs?

How do you excuse the "problematic behaviour" of your 2 older children? Depressed, withdrawn and bedwetting?

Four years for christ's sakes! This isn't 4 weeks, this isn't a man you met last week who said "I'm not sure if I want a relationship with a single mum", you've let him bully the lot of you for FOUR years!

And now you're saying it's only bad at home because you're sticking up for the kids? Well, there's your answer, let him batter them for standing on the floor boards when they get up for the loo... you and him would be much happier lying in bed with your child crying in bed with a full bladder.

skihorse · 29/03/2010 12:19

Oh and just so you know, he has no intention of leaving you, he just wants your children to stfu.

WhoIsAsking · 29/03/2010 12:20

Oh and this bit:

"However, while searching for help online he came across this thread"

is bullshit.

You can lie to yourself until you are blue in the face, but please don't insult our intelligence.

gingerbaby · 29/03/2010 12:22

I have nothing constructive to say so I'll keep quiet. I just wanted you to know I agree with all the other posters and think you're wrong.

dizietsma · 29/03/2010 12:22

PR, my mother likes to say of my emotionally abusive to me, emotionally and physically abusive to her (now deceased, thank god) stepfather "Wasn't I allowed to have a life too?".

She chose her relationship with him over her children.

So I have now chosen never to see her again. Last saw her when DD was 18 months old, she's now 4 1/2.

My eldest DB also has no contact. Youngest DB lives far away from her.

She chose her relationship with him over us, and now she is all alone working all the hours god sends (long past retirement age) to stave off the loneliness.

You want that with your kids? Then prioritise your relationship with this douchebag over them.

Blaming children for a relationship breakdown is disgusting.

I hope mumsnetters find out who you are and sic SS on you. Your kids deserve better than this.