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Introducing my partner to feminism...

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blinder · 14/03/2010 12:03

On the back of a spate of good feminism threads here lately I am looking for book recommendations to give to my DP as an introduction to a feminist critique of society.

He's not a particularly neanderthal man - he loves Naomi Klein for example - but he's a bit uneducated about the reality facing women today.

We have a six month old daughter and it worries us both that she is being launched into a culture that systematically de-humanises (objectifies) girls. I'm sure he would be willing to explore ways that we can parent her consciously so that she can preserve her identity in the face of damaging cultural norms.

At the same time, I don't want him to feel lectured, blamed or patronised by the book. But I would like him to be able to examine his own investment in male superiority and recognise that he does have many assumptions about women and many blind spots about male privilege.

It's a fine line.

So, books for men, fathers or people new to feminism?

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StayFrosty · 15/03/2010 22:29

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MmeLindt · 15/03/2010 22:29

And for the love of God, will some of you feminists pitch up on the Gaga threads. I cannot believe what I am reading there.

SugarMousePink · 15/03/2010 22:30

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Portofino · 15/03/2010 22:39

You say you were a student. There were other avenues open to you.

Portofino · 15/03/2010 22:43

And what if you were a man? What would you have done then?

SugarMousePink · 15/03/2010 22:44

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WilfSell · 15/03/2010 22:44

Jeeeezus. Have only read first few posts and gotta go to bed. But FGS, what a litany of femmo-hating nonsense the OP has faced. A bit of a dry question but what the fuck is wrong with it?

I shall read rest of thread and hope to god you had a saner response later. I don't have a particular reading list to suggest but I do understand where the sentiment is coming from.

dittany · 15/03/2010 22:45

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Portofino · 15/03/2010 22:49

Sorry - I know this sounds totally callous.

Beachcomber · 15/03/2010 22:50

Portofino, whether SugarMouse had done the work she has told us about here or not, doesn't change the fact that there are people who pay to sexually exploit others and that there are people who profit from the sexual exploitation of others.

If they hadn't been using SugarMouse to do that they would have used somebody else.

dittany · 15/03/2010 22:50

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Beachcomber · 15/03/2010 22:53

Sorry SugarMouse, posted that just as you posted that you wanted to move back to the original theme.

StayFrosty · 15/03/2010 22:53

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Portofino · 15/03/2010 22:55

Because she didn't HAVE to work there.

MmeLindt · 15/03/2010 22:58

StayFrosty
One is AIBU to disbelief this is being shown, the other is in chat.

Portofino
I think that you need to stop now. She has explained (not that she needed to) her circumstances and that she regrets it - and that she and others felt exploited in that situation. Banging on about other options is rude and upsetting.

TheShriekingHarpy · 15/03/2010 23:00

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Beachcomber · 15/03/2010 23:02

Portofino, SugarMouse was pointing out in a very clear way that feminist issues arise from the experiences of real people.

You are missing the point being made. I also think you should stop.

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Portofino · 15/03/2010 23:11

Sorry MMe Lindt and SMP. But the thread was about Feminism. I am very sorry that SMP felt this was her only option, but my belief is that it wasn't, hence my questions about what if you weren't attractive enough, what if you were a man?

What would you have done in that situation? Starved obviously because there is no other choice....And I have gone for days with no food as I had no money.