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Are you 100% certain your dp/dh would never cheat on you?

457 replies

thesteelfairy2 · 11/03/2010 17:14

if you are why do you feel that way?

I am truly interested in the answers to this seeing as Mark Owen has joined the long line of celebrity cheating ar*eholes.

Also when I first met my ex h I would have bet a £million that he would never cheat on me. Even though it was in my face I trusted him implicitly because of all the things he said and his reactions to other peoples infidelities.

I personally am of the opinion that all men cheat given the opportunity, don't flame me though these are just my personal experiences of men. I have been in the army and worked mostly in male dominated environments so have extensive experience of random men and their relationship habits.

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sunshine2009 · 13/03/2010 09:45

It must be awful to be like some women on this thread that see men as nothing more than dogs. That have sex with anything that moves and feel no guilt as its the way they are made and you cant expect anything more from them.

Sexist rubbish and I dont agree with it.

sunshine2009 · 13/03/2010 10:04

No one is disputed the ridiculous posts about it being a mans nature to cheat and they all do it at some point but people are disputing people who trust their partners completely. hmmm bitter much?

lockets · 13/03/2010 10:40

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CelticBanshee · 13/03/2010 10:47

If you asked my OH, he would tell you that there is no chance in hell I'd cheat, I'm so dead against them, I don't have sympathy for anyone who breaks up their family in that way - it's pure selfishness, it disgusts me

Ask me do I think I'd cheat? I don't know - I just spout on about it to make him think twice about cheating on me

Do we trust eachother? To an extent, I wouldn't send him into a room of naked women to test it though

Certainly not 100% anyway

sunshine2009 · 13/03/2010 10:53

I do live a varied full life as I said its not like I sit at home all day waiting for him. Its just all our spare time is spent together. I think doing a degree, working full time and looking after 2 kids is enough for anyone is it not lol so if I chose to spend all my spare time with my husband whats the problem?

My parents same the same opinions as me and have been together nearly 40 years but I will let them know they are deluded ;)

MrsC2010 · 13/03/2010 10:58

I do think it is not on to label those who believe in their partner's fidelty as 'deluded', or 'arrogant'...very superior. I am neither of those things, but I believe that my husband would never cheat, not necessarily because of his strong moral code, but because it just isn't in his personaility. I'm also not thinking up derogatory terms for those who disagree, I thought this thread was just to share opinions, not cast aspersions?

CelticBanshee · 13/03/2010 11:05

'I thought this thread was just to share opinions, not cast aspersions?'

But where's the fun in that?

Bonsoir · 13/03/2010 11:08

No-one can ever be sure, unless their DH is some kind of robot.

If I stopped being kind and caring towards my DP, he'd be off in a shot! And with justification!

MrsC2010 · 13/03/2010 11:10

Haha, true! I'll go dream up some aspersions and join in the fun.

Shodan · 13/03/2010 11:13

Neither is it 'on' to say that those who don't know that their partner would never cheat are bitter or cynical or that they don't take their vows as seriously as those who claim to have all-seeing, all-pervading knowledge of the future.

I also believe that my DH won't cheat. I don't know it, though. There's a difference.

bumpsoon · 13/03/2010 11:16

im fairly sure he wouldnt but only 99% which is all i think anyone can say honestly

sunshine2009 · 13/03/2010 11:22

I wasnt talking about your post Shodan I was talking of sexist posts such as the original OP. I dont think its right to say that sort of thing about all men. I dont agree with it and it is sexist, and an insult to all the family men that wouldnt dream of cheating. Why is it alright to make such insulting, sweeping remarks about all men?

It is seen as socially acceptable to make insulting comments about men some women even do it about their own partners in public. Acting like they are like children, are useless, are like animals, no morals etc. I still dont agree with posts like that and think opinions like that are damaging more than saying you think your husband will stay faithful.

sunshine2009 · 13/03/2010 11:27

Maybe badly worded when I originally wrote it but I stand by the fact that if your only knowledge of men is liars and cheats who have sex with anyone and dont see it as a problem then the common demoninator is probably you.

Thinking this way about 50% of the population and then being a parent at the same time is the fastest way to mess your kids up for life.

SoupDragon · 13/03/2010 12:04

"if your only knowledge of men is liars and cheats who have sex with anyone and dont see it as a problem then the common demoninator is probably you."

Good lord, you're nasty aren't you?

How about the people who made their marriage vows, believed their DH wouldn't cheat and were proved wrong? Where do they fit into your cosy little world?

thumbwitch · 13/03/2010 12:10

Am not going to get involved with aspersions etc.

I am not 100% sure, no, but I am 99% sure that he wouldn't cheat and that's good enough for me.

I am 100% sure that I would never cheat on him though.

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Shodan · 13/03/2010 12:24

There is also a difference between an habitual cheater and a man -or woman- who makes one mistake.

Does it automatically mean that one mistake completely negates an otherwiise blameless life? Or that that person's partner must then blame themselves, since it must have been something to do with them? Of course not. That would be ridiculous.

Infidelity is not only confined to the habitual philanderer. Sometimes honest, faithful, moral people make mistakes.

Malificence · 13/03/2010 12:40

Leaving the oven on is a mistake, forgetting yor keys is a mistake.

Having sexual contact with anyone other than you partner is a deliberate act of betrayal, it's the same as saying a drunk driver who kills someone made one mistake - everyone knows the consequences, so it's an absolute choice, only someone completely deluded would see it another way.

You've either got the genetic predisposition/ moral weakness for infidelity, or you haven't.

missmoopy · 13/03/2010 12:40

I don't think it is possible to be a 100% certain is it? People cheat for lots of reasons. I DO trust my husband but think it would be complacency to think that it could never happen.

Shodan · 13/03/2010 12:56

Genetic predisposition ???

Godd Lord, Malificence. That really is sinking rapidly into the realms of the ridiculous.

Moral weakness? Possibly. But a person's moral sense does sometimes go awry, you know. Particularly where illnesses of the mind are involved. Do you really think,(as in my post above) in the normal run of things, that my DH would wander naked around a hospital? Or believe that he was a world famous golfer?

Of course not. No-one can state with certainty that they know that their partner's mind might not be unbalanced by accident, illness or other grave misfortune. And therefore no-one can state with certainty that if such a thing occurred, that their partner's morals might be somewhat disturbed.

That's the reason why I would never trumpet a 100 % certainty that my DH wouldn't cheat.

Malificence · 13/03/2010 13:05

OK then, how about with the proviso " 100% certain under normal conditions / circumstances"?

Head trauma / severe mental illness are extraordinary events, people don't tend to risk assess their marriage on that kind of basis. If person is "not themself" then that is a valid reason and I wouldn't condsider their behaviour in that altered state to be any kind of rational choice, obviously.

SO many men seem to be able to convince their partners that their affair was due to a mental breakdown , I don't buy that for a second in most cases, it's just an easy get out clause to avoid full reponsibility.

sausagepastie · 13/03/2010 13:28

I think one of my husbands is probably totally faithful, but the other one has got 5 wives so at least I know about it when he does cheat. We all lead full and happy lives, and do not waste our time having friends. We also go cycling a lot, and have a LOT of sex.

Shodan · 13/03/2010 13:55

Yes, you're right, Malificence. A great many people do blame infidelity on mental breakdown when in fact it's nothing more than simple greed and/or lust.

I have to admit that I would struggle very hard to forgive DH an ongoing affair where he deliberately lied to facilitate their rendezvous.

A one night stand - or one hour stand, or whatever- is a different matter.

But, whatever. I would still maintain that I couldn't be 100% sure he wouldn't cheat. But I still trust that he won't.

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 13/03/2010 13:59

Shodan - I completely agree with you, but then I come at this from the perspective that good people do bad things - and that it's uncompassionate to define a person by one bad action. As you say, in such instances, we are not talking about the habitual philanderers of this world - but the normal everyday, decent human beings who let a friendship cross the line and have an affair that subsequently, is deeply regretted and taken responsibility for.

I was pretty careful also in my posts upthread to take the gender out of the scenarios - I absolutely don't think that all men are potential cheats, but I do think that everyone - men and women - is vulnerable to temptation. Even if somewhat bizarrely, I thought that I wasn't vulnerable, I would never presume that my partner felt the same - even if he told me he wasn't.

Until someone has actually been tempted, how on earth would one know how they would feel? This is what I meant upthread about having far less confidence in a spouse's fidelity if they had never been propositioned, never felt any attraction to another person or never said no. I would just think - well it's never been tested, has it? Therefore, a person like this is actually less infidelity-proofed, not more.

Mal will be familiar with what I'm about to say - and she will therefore hopefully know that I'm not in any way having a pop at her - but to Sunshine et al - I actually think your views could damage you terribly in the future.

You invest so much of yourselves in your marriages - it seems to the exclusion of friendships, hobbies and any other life-enriching activities - that if your Hs do have affairs, it will ruin your lives.
It's always a mistake to invest so much of one's happiness in one person.

If you also have such uncompromising views about leaving a marriage after an affair - even if your Hs are truly sorry and take full responsibility - in the long run, it will be you that suffers most. You will throw to waste what you now believe (and with good reason in Mal's case) are wonderful marriages. Affairs happen in good marriages.

There is also a rather nasty undercurrent in some of these posts that implies women are at fault for their faithless husbands, either because they chose badly in the first place, or because they weren't keeping their husbands happy or satisfied in some way. Fortunately, I can now laugh at such naivety - but for other posters who are just coming out of the hell of an infidelity disclosure, reading nonsense like this can be very painful.

Again though, if this happens to you at some point down the line, you will waste your life berating yourself that this was your fault.

I hope it doesn't happen to any of you, but what I do hope is that you will question your views a little and become more flexible and compassionate about others' failings and others' pain. And as a note of caution, don't let one relationship, however important, define you as a person. If the worst happens, you run the risk of losing yourselves - and not just your marriages.

Shodan · 13/03/2010 14:26

An excellent post, WhenwillIfeelnormal.