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The almost interesting saga of the almost-OM update

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HesterPrynne · 08/02/2010 17:42

Sorry, I had hoped to come back before the original thread disappeared off the first page, but then... nada.

As you may remember I had emailed a local counsellor, but H persuaded me not to make an appointment, but to save, money and neuroses, for Relate, which he absolutely promised to arrange.

So far nothing's happened... "I've been too busy, will do it tomorrow." "They're not answering the phone/email" "They said I had to confirm the date (poss this Wed) with you, now they're not answering again," are a selection of the excuses I have been given.

Now even asking about it causes snappiness and sulks.

I'm really tempted to say, if we're not in a conversation with a third party by Wednesday night, then that's it - you'll have confirmed our marriage is not your priority.

Can't decide if that's a fair ultimatum or not.

Still trying hard to keep almost-OM at more than arms length, but its so difficult when things are so tense at home.

And although I haven't come completely clean, I have told H that my vows are under considerable strain, but my intention is to make our marriage work if he'll work with me. No real sign of that yet, though

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whipcrackaway · 25/02/2010 21:37

Sorry, cross posted.

Hester - no wonder it's so hard to let go.

HesterPrynne · 25/02/2010 21:40

Sorry Belle didn't mean to drag back to earth twas another xpost. I'd much rather be with you in your literary fantasy

I don't think I did expect him to be everything, no but I suspect I'm expecting him to be something he's rather than valuing what he is ifyswim

But then it collapses in on itself, if the things that he's not are those things I need. God this all very contorted, I think I might have to pass on that novel!

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HesterPrynne · 25/02/2010 21:41

Sorry Belle didn't mean to drag back to earth twas another xpost. I'd much rather be with you in your literary fantasy

I don't think I did expect him to be everything, no but I suspect I'm expecting him to be something he's not rather than valuing what he is ifyswim

But then it collapses in on itself, if the things that he's not are those things I need. God this all very contorted, I think I might have to pass on that novel!

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mrshomercream · 25/02/2010 21:43

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HesterPrynne · 25/02/2010 21:43

Now I've completely lost it. What happened then? And this me sober!

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whipcrackaway · 25/02/2010 21:44

Hester, that's sort of what I meant but couldn't explain very well. What if what you need the most is what's missing? Well, I guess the answer is what you're doing, which is to do all you can to determine the truth of that.

whipcrackaway · 25/02/2010 21:49

I did wonder if I'd got the novels the wrong way around...

HesterPrynne · 25/02/2010 21:49

Oooh, yes please MrsH, I'd love to write a sweeping saga of love of furtive fumblings inside fur muffs and glances stolen from underneath giant fur hats. Can I, can I?

Belle, sorry whipcrack, you're right I don't know what's essential. I suspect aswell, that unlike MrsH, I don't have friends enough either.

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mrshomercream · 25/02/2010 21:52

Done.

You'll be much better at brooding Russians than me!

We need to start a thread...a chapter a week.

What's Belle going to write about though?

whipcrackaway · 25/02/2010 21:56

Rats, I knew I'd got them the wrong way round!

I'll be back to being Belle again soon - just indulging my love of musicals. I may change my name every day to see if you can "spot the musical". I strongly suspect I need more RL friends too. I moved a long way from most of my friends and then had a baby. It's not a good combination to be miles away and incapable of talking about anything other than my daughter as all I do is look after and work (which neatly blots out the truth of my on/off pretty much OW situation which should, of course, just be off). Hey ho.

whipcrackaway · 25/02/2010 21:58

I can write about trends in the telecoms industry if you like? No, not interested

Love the idea of a chapter a week thread though! What is Belle going to write about?

mrshomercream · 25/02/2010 21:59

Ooh, goody!

Is there anything you want to talk about, Belle?

Not going to be nosy, but you know you'll get a sympathetic hearing here.

mrshomercream · 25/02/2010 22:02

What about...a high powered business woman, has a secret longing to be a star of West End musicals. She meets a man on a train who appears to be depressed, but after a couple of glasses of champagne, it transpires that he is a tortured genius who has written an amazing score and script...Hester, can you take over?

HesterPrynne · 25/02/2010 22:06

Belle can write about the star-crossed lover who takes herself off to the wild Yorkshire Moors to forget about the man she can never have. Strong and independent she forges friendships and creates a community fit for her child to grow up in. And then when she least expects it, a dour sheep farmer, with a dry wit and bottomless eyes shows her what true love is. THE END

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whipcrackaway · 25/02/2010 22:07

Well, let's just say that getting involved with a separated man 6.5 years ago wasn't the wisest decision I've ever made. Having him ping pong between his wife (still not ex) and me has been an experience I wouldn't recommend. It was ok when I believed what he told me. When, as the years have rolled by, everything he's said and I trusted has been proved to be a lie but he still tells me loves me but can't give me an honest reason why he's not with our DD and me, one is left with little option but to finally concede that he clearly doesn't want to be with us. Today he admitted that he has still been sleeping with "ex" wife on occasion. He says he thought I knew that. I did know, intellectually, but stupidly had chosen to believe him when he told me that they never slept together. I did explain to him what never means.

Today was a bad day from the point of view of my emotions but excellent in finally clearing the cobwebs from heart/eyes etc. I was upset but I suspect my quiet fury was far more eloquent than shouting would have been.

Phew - and I originally typed that I wasn't ready to share.

HesterPrynne · 25/02/2010 22:08

Aargh. Belle you have to chose now, but MrsH's sounds the best bet.

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mrshomercream · 25/02/2010 22:10

Oh, Belle, that's so sad

You deserve much, much better treatment than that. You poor thing.

What are you going to do?

HesterPrynne · 25/02/2010 22:12

Fuck, why are my slow labourings always so out of place.

Belle that sounds truly awful, I'm so sorry. I hope you won't regret sharing all of that, not that you should, but I know how you can blurt out something and wish it all back. I did just last night. At least you have the 'report' option.

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mrshomercream · 25/02/2010 22:14

Me too with the sharing. I do worry sometimes...but then, it does help to get clarity, just writing it down...

Are you worried about something you said to your friend, Hester? Can you trust her?

whipcrackaway · 25/02/2010 22:15

LOL at my novel!

You should have seen the poor little man on the train... He was probably about 5'6" and of slight built. He was very pale with soft hands. He had one of those wispy beards and was about 48 (from what he told me). He's an accountant and started working for his father and is still working at the same company but it's run by his older brother. He had a very strict upbringing and I suspect some sort of abuse as he is clearly quite damanged. He even said he didn't want to have children as he didn't want to bring anyone up as he had been and referenced the "abused become abusers" stuff although only as an example.

Told me he'd loved same "girl" since they were both 14 but had been horrible to her when they were at school. He ended up writing to her about two years ago to apologise and told her how much he'd adored and loved her etc. She sounds as if she was very tolerant!!! She met up with him for a drink and he says he thinks this is what saved him from ending it all. She lives in Holland and is in touch sporadically but he says he thinks about her every day and has done since he was 14. He's had other relationships but never been married, etc.

Phew - you can see why my "stranger on a train" novel might be a bit dull if I draw on my actual experience. Now, the time I met Philippe on a plane to Brussels, however, would make much more interesting reading!!!

mrshomercream · 25/02/2010 22:18

Blimey, he sounds a 'character'...

Philippe, on the other hand, sounds intriguing...

whipcrackaway · 25/02/2010 22:19

I'm going to combine the novels..! I'll be a west end star, tortured by fame (and a twisted ankle) who limps off to Yorkshire to recover (handy for the atmospherics as I live just outside Huddersfield so am now an expert on Yorkshire's lovely weather and stupid, stupid SNOW - grrrr). I've probably mentioned that I'm in Yorkshire before - sorry, Tired and will be off to bed once I've finished pretending to listen to the News.

mrshomercream · 25/02/2010 22:21

Night Belle.

Sorry you've had such a tough day. You're inspirational to have been so kind, funny and supportive when you have every right to sit growling in a corner licking your wounds.

Sleep well.

HesterPrynne · 25/02/2010 22:22

Even my swearing was completely inappropriate, sorry. I seem to have my size 10s on tonight.

I think I can trust her MrsH, but still wish I hadn't divulged a name. It seems a bit selfish that she's now burdened with a pitiful secret too, just cos i wanted/was desperate to tell someone.

So if man on train scenario doesn't do it for you Belle, what the modern Brontes?

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HesterPrynne · 25/02/2010 22:24

Good night Belle. And just to echo MrsH, I'm awed by your dignity and compassion for others in the face of all that.

Sleep well.

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