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FAB & GLAM 10 - Gosh, Do We Really Talk That Much???

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Dumbledior · 26/07/2009 21:51

Hi, new thread

Lovely to see all the old posters again. Don't go now you are back.

Annie/UC/MHIS - lovely to see you and thanks MHIS for the FB chat.

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Tanee58 · 15/02/2010 13:44

Baffy - - you must have been frantic! So glad things are ok now - and hope you enjoyed a good night's sleep!

Yes, things are definitely getting better. We had a lovely Valentine's night with a Marks and Spencer's Meal Deal by candlelight. He gave me a potted red rose (I don't like cut roses as they die so quickly and it seems too symbolic of failure) and I gave him some old LPs of 1960s comedy revues that I found in a charity shop - no expense spared !

DD's ok at my parents now - she says she finds it interesting, experiencing what growing up in my own mad family was like for me! She's actually closer to her school - within walking distance, and I make sure I see her often and we text each other in between. We're taking each day as it comes.

Givenchy · 15/02/2010 14:46

Baffy - OMG at not breathing! Hope he is totally well now x

Yes, I have stepped away from friend's problems. I felt mean doing that but, as long as her dd is safe, that is all I can do.

Tanee58 · 15/02/2010 17:59

Oh, so you have changed Designers? You wanton hussy !

Anniegetyourgun · 16/02/2010 09:05

Gosh - Baffy? See what happens when I go cold turkey from Mumsnet for a couple of weeks!

Not having been aware of what you were up to over the last few months, I can't believe you are actually with that man still/again - and it's even more amazing that he has turned back into being worth being with, if that makes sense. (The aliens returned the real one?) I thought the bl**dy fool had left it too late to come to his senses. Massive, massive credit to you for believing there was a human being lurking in there somewhere, and having the incredible courage to let him prove it. It goes to show that nice people can behave very very badly in certain circumstances, and that some of them, at least, can be redeemed. But by God he owes you.

You have to be right to try to keep seeing the OW's baby. As the mum is clearly a total feck-up, maybe it will be a life saver to that little girl, in times to come, to know she has a sane dad who she can turn to when things are too awful. "He's not the father"? Well just how many men was she with at the time? You'd think with her constant stalking of YOUR man she wouldn't have had time for more. Some people have amazing stamina though, eh.

Job hunt is continuing. Meanwhile, following advice here, have started a correspondence course to learn about counselling (not life coaching; I'm not proactive enough). The only thing I'm likely to find difficult is shutting up long enough to let the poor client speak.

ginnny · 16/02/2010 10:15

Baffy - Glad he's OK now. Poor little thing. They scare the wits out of you sometimes don't they.
Givenchy (cool name ) sometimes you just have to walk away when you have done all you can. There is only so much you can do for someone and its definitely time to step back when its impacting on your own life. Hope things work out OK for your friend.
Tannee - sounds like things are getting back on the right track. Long may it last.
Hi to everyone else - hope you are all OK and enjoying half term. I had yesterday off with the boys and they completely wore me out. I'm at work having a well earned rest today

Baffy · 16/02/2010 14:27

Hehe little boys and their ability to wear us out! It's a killer isn't it

Ah Tanee I?m so glad things are so much better and DD is coping well. I would have loved to be within walking distance of school so that?s a mini bonus too! At least things are on the right track. Valentines day sounds lovely.

Dior I?m glad you?ve managed to step away ? last thing you need is someone dragging you down at a time when things are finally looking lots more positive.

Yes Annie I can?t quite believe where I am myself some days, I do actually wonder how I got here at times (I think my ability to block out anything I don?t want to think about is becoming too good!). He really is (almost) back to the man I married and I can see the look on his face whenever we discuss OW as though he really can?t believe what he did (for her!). It?s almost as though once he had cheated and started down that track, he couldn?t see any way back. I think that the way he behaved was a combination of defensiveness (knowing he was being a total twunt), desire to do whatever the hell he wanted, and the need to cut me out completely and breakdown anything positive between us so that he could justify his behaviour to himself. I always felt that I wasn?t seeing the real him but I couldn?t at that stage get to the bottom of why.

I have to say, I have realised too that some of it was symptomatic of the problems we had between us at that time (not that it is any excuse!) but we were absolutely useless at talking about anything remotely serious.

It?s a big lesson we?ve learnt, and to be honest I still struggle with it now. We have promised each other that we must speak up at the first sign of anything bothering us or us not being happy (as if he?d have just been able to say how unhappy he was 3 years ago we might not be where we are now!). And I do bottle things up far too much.

But he actually said a couple of weeks ago that he was feeling unhappy. Not with me, but just with ?everything?. He told me, and said he was a bit worried about how low he was feeling, and therefore, a bit worried about ?us? and him not putting in the effort that a marriage needs as he's so drained. My stomach went into knots!
We talked it through ? his redundancy, the current nightmare of owning his own (loss making!) business, the court applications and hell with OW, serious money problems, ds2 waking up at least 3 times a night for the past 7 months! etc etc.

And I immediately took it as a personal criticism that he?s not happy with me! It took days to get my head around the fact that he was trying to be honest and speak to me about how he was feeling before it all got too on top of him. And he wanted to just be close and tried to cuddle me in bed after we?d talked, and I just felt this barrier go up and this intense feeling that I just don?t have the energy to love and support someone again if external factors are going to come between us anyway. I think he just wanted some understanding and support, but I shut off instead.

Does that make any sense?! I guess the upshot is, that whilst things are really good and he really has been a fantastic husband and dad again in the past 12 months, I don?t suppose the underlying hurt will ever go away. It seems to reappear quite often. I think I?m just trying to learn how to live with it now. Trying not to let the recent past affect the future? Impossible maybe?!

Anyway, course to learn about counselling sounds good. One of my good friends has just trained to be a counsellor and she can talk more than anyone I?ve ever met! She has tried to help me a few times (although we just end up gossiping and getting drunk so it?s not too productive!), but she?s great in 'real life?! Puts people at ease straight away and there?s never an awkward quiet moment when she?s around I think you?ll be great.

As for ds2 and the sleeping saga, he slept 12 hours last night!!
(Little monkey is probably just building his strength back up after the illness so that once he?s feeling up to it he can create even more havoc through the night! )

Baffy · 16/02/2010 14:29

Gosh, didn't realise how much I'd written, apologies for the long posts!

It's been so long I can't stop once I get started!

Anniegetyourgun · 16/02/2010 14:44

Ooh, that's a shame. I expect though, as soon as you worked out what he meant, you were able to thank him for his honesty and assured him that you still preferred him to talk about things, even if you found it hard to hear? His fuckwit phase was quite long, wasn't it, 18 months or so? so logically it would take you at least as long to get over the worst of it. The important thing now is that when life throws shit at you, you can field it together. It's so much easier facing life in pairs, provided you are both pulling in the same direction. And bloody impossible if you aren't.

Hey, even counsellors have to gossip and get drunk sometimes y'know! Your friend sounds great.

My DS4 didn't sleep for more than 6 hours at a time, usually less, until he was 6 years old, so you're lucky; although to be fair he was a lot less hard work when he was awake. Maybe we should have tired him out more. He's a teenager now, and he tucks me in bed and turns the light out for me, bless

Givenchy · 16/02/2010 16:52

Annie - I would love to do what you are doing, but I don't think I could stop talking enough for them to get a word in!

Givenchy · 16/02/2010 16:53

Oh, and Ginny, I found out this time that it is a 20 year problem, so have accepted that I can't help her. I now just want her child to be safe. I feel very sad about the loss of the friendship but really can't be the same with her any more.

Baffy · 19/02/2010 08:41

Ah, your ds4 sounds great Annie (apart from the younger non-sleeping part!). Can't believe mine will be teenagers one day, scary thought, I want them to be babies forever.

And yes, I did have a good talk to him and say how glad I was that he was being honest with me and that we were finally talking about things before they get to a point where it causes us problems. Also gave me a bit of an outlet to get a few things off my chest that I'd been wanting to talk about. Nothing too major, just needing some reassurance. My friend came round the other day and I finally opened up to someone in 'real life' (as opposed to you pretend people ) about it all, and once I started I couldn't stop! Was good to get it off my chest though

Like you Annie, she said not to be too hard on myself given the length of time it all went on for, and the things that happened, so logically, it's going to take me a bit of time to get over it...
Am bored of it all myself now though!!

How are you doing Dior?

Baffy · 19/02/2010 08:43

btw, dh and I are going out tonight for the first time in months and months, and both ds's are sleeping out! and (at my little baby not being right next to me when I wake up).

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ladylush · 19/02/2010 11:17

Enjoy your night out Baffy
Can totally relate to how you must have felt when dh brought up that stuff. Healing takes a long time and it is inevitable that sometimes comments will rub salt into open wounds. Can also relate to feeling bored with it all...........me too Can't be bothered to discuss things with dh a lot of the time so if I am feeling down I tend to keep it to myself rather than dredge up the past. Not sure that is right though.

We managed to get through the dreaded Valentines period (anniversary of when I discovered the infidelity) I suppose it deserves it's own anniversary - and lets face it, neither of us are ever likely to forget it when it falls on the day in the year that is supposed to be the most romantic

Givenchy · 20/02/2010 21:16

Baffy, I am fine thanks. Glad you are getting a night out. That is always a good way to cement a relationship - time together alone. H and I always realise just how well we can get on when ds is out of the picture.

Things here are pretty good. We are getting on quite well and my life is good at the moment. I think I could do with a part-time job, but, apart from that, good.

ladylush · 20/02/2010 22:25

Glad all is going well Givenchy New name new life eh

Givenchy · 20/02/2010 23:40

Only because I deregistered for a while, in a fit of pique with the site. I can't get my name back now, or prove that I have been here since May 2002 .

Never mind.

ladylush · 21/02/2010 21:59

That's a shame but maybe new name symbolises a fresh start

Givenchy · 21/02/2010 22:03

A new start would be wonderful. Spring is on its way (eventually) and the sun could show its face. I am looking forward to getting Winter over - I have hated every minute of it this year.

Baffy · 22/02/2010 14:07

Dior I'm glad things are good, shame about the name but I do agree, a fresh start for spring is not a bad thing

Night out was ok, but my SIL let me down at the last minute so I had to frantically beg my mum to have ds2, which meant we then had to go back and stay there, which then meant we got in at 2pm and I was up at 4pm doing a feed! Dh was also a bit of an arse after a few drinks, but that's another story and he's apologised profusely ever since. Just prefer it didn't happen in the first place and then there would be no need to apologise!! I enjoyed getting out though

Tanee58 · 22/02/2010 14:42

Hi everyone, are we all enjoying the snow? I'm praying things warm up ever so slightly as DP & I are going to Tenby this weekend, for my birthday. Why Tenby in February? I must be insane!

Givenchy, love your new name, but you will always be Dior to me - and SO glad to see you back with us - we missed you! Glad things are going well for you. Our 'theme' at AlAnon last week, was 'New Beginnings' - and I feel those happening to so many around me, including someone in particular, that I feel very excited about. May we all have a fantastic New Beginning this year.

Baffy, glad you had your evening out a deux - even if it ended en famille . Would you be able to make it a regular fixture, say once a month? It would do you both so much good.

Annie, how's your course going? Is it very expensive? I would love to do one, but have no money!

Givenchy · 22/02/2010 15:20

Baffy - mine is the same after a few drinks. I find him really irritating!

Tanee - I'm still clad in designer togs I hope you notice

HappyWoman · 23/02/2010 10:41

Baffy - only just read your post about it still being hard. I think it always will.
My h was much the same as yours - he was on self destruct for a while.

What i have learned is that i cant make him happy he has to do that for himself. I have also learned that about me too.

It is different to before - but for me it is better - h is not so sure becuase i think he has lost of the 'control he once had.

He feels less secure than i do - he often says he wishes he could turn back the clock - i actually do not want to - i dont think i was happy with my marriage then (although it was good) i think i was 'giving' far too much of me up for the sake of the marriage.

We are off to vegas later in the year and h is keen to re-do our vows - i am not. My old marriage no longer exists and i dont really feel the need to do them again i am happy as we are. We are together because we want to be not because of some words we say to each other. It just wont feel the same to me ever again so i dont think i will do them. And legally we are still married anyway so still 'safe' there.

Baffy - my h also tends to drink too much when we are out - he knows it annoys me too which makes it worse. He had a lunch do at work a couple of weeks ago - i knew he would drink far too much - i just ignore now and he gets more upset that i plan to do things even when he has a hangover.

Anniegetyourgun · 23/02/2010 11:07

Tanee, I have to say my course has not really warmed up yet, I've just read the introductory booklet and they keep sending me emails to remind me I should be rummaging on their website for advice and guidance. It does look quite interesting so far though. The majority of the courses they do seem to be between £500 and £600 and they accept payment in instalments for a small premium. This should in itself be enough to make me determined to throw myself into it, to get my money's worth!

Where did I put my chocolate...

ladylush · 23/02/2010 11:43

Annie I think you will make a great counsellor A kick ass one Tbh I think there is a need for that type - maybe you could fill that niche in the market

Baffy sorry to hear your dh was a bit of a prize youknowwhat after a few drinks but glad it didn't spoil your night completely. Dh does not have a problem in that dept. In fact if anything it's been me that's been a bit trashed in the past (though I just get tired/and stagger about rather than make stupid comments). Can't drink that much anymore as my boobs are on loan to a little munchkin and I have to watch the milk/alcohol quota

Tanee58 · 23/02/2010 14:11

Givenchy/Dior, I'm just glad you're clad in any togs at all!

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