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Husband says it's over, wants custody of DD

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MollFlounders · 17/07/2009 11:12

I would really appreciate some thoughts on my situation. I've posted a few times recently about DH. There have been issues in the past but things have been particularly rocky since I went back to FT work 3 months ago (DD is now 9 months old). DH has always been quite selfish and inflexible (previous threads on this are here and here) and this has, for me, become more and more difficult to cope with since having to juggle a demanding job and of course DD. Things are at the point where counselling is required. I found a counselling group who will see us each separately and then together in a facilitated session.

So DH and I had yet another row yesterday morning. It was very trivial. I was hosting an event for some clients. DH managed to get his own last minute invitation to the same event (going as a client himself, of another host). I offered to give DH a lift in my work taxi, but on condition we operated on my timing seeing though I had to get there to meet my clients (DH is usually late to everything). DH was very pleased about the lift otherwise he was stuck with a long tube trip. We agreed, I thought, that we would leave the house asap but would absolutely be in the cab by 9am. I was up and ready, having also gotten DD up and ready for her day, by 8.30am. As it happened, my taxi arrived to collect me at 8.40am. DH had gotten up at 8am and proceeded to faff around the house getting himself ready in slow motion. I asked him a few times if it was possible to hurry things along a little as the cab was waiting downstairs with the meter ticking along. He just kept repeating in icy tones "we agreed we would leave at 9. We will leave at 9". So we left at 9.00am on the dot, with me standing around waiting for him in the meantime. In the cab, I expressed my frustration at his inflexibility and I said that I didn't feel it was normal to be so incredibly rigid. He basically said "if you want normal, you're with the wrong person. I'm not normal."

I didn't see DH again last night as he went out with a friend after the event and came home late. This morning, he was monosyllabic. I reminded him that he needed to call the counsellor for his separate session. DH said "there's no point going to a counsellor unless you tell me that your behaviour yesterday morning was totally unacceptable and will never be repeated again". Apparently I was relentless in my nagging and this is totally unacceptable and tantamount to treating him with contempt. After all, I know he hates being rushed in the mornings.

DH then asked me if I want custody (I know it's residence) of DD and I said absolutely. Asked him what he wants, he says he wants custody. She is 9 months old. We have a daily nanny but I do everything for DD outside of that. A family lawyer has told me that it seems clear that I'm the primary caregiver and that I could move out with her if the marriage ends. My main priority in all of this is DD's happiness and stability.

I guess I've got two questions. Does the situation with DH sound hopeless? I feel we're at the make or break point but I'd go through counselling if there was a chance of it working. But if he's saying counselling is pointless then can you make it work?? Other question: what do people do with residence and contact when it comes to small babies? How often would be reasonable for DH to see DD and how do you do this (e.g. him coming to my place)??

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Greensleeves · 17/07/2009 17:02

I always read these threads and think "god I must be a bit of a nightmare" - all the emphasis on the OP's faults and her dp's needs and it being her responsibility to change blah blah

and I think "if he was mine I would tell him to grow up or shove off "

but we have been together for 12 years, so our way can't be all bad

LuluMaman · 17/07/2009 17:04

the recurring theme here seems to be, he can behave and do as he wants and that is fine

anyone who disagrees and has a different opinion is cut off , or accused of horrible , intolerable behaviour

he demands lots of apologies, i doubt he ever gives an apology himslef

Domokun · 17/07/2009 17:04

It's not her responsibility to change. It's both of theirs.

TotalChaos · 17/07/2009 17:05

I'm with Greeny and MI. Being a responsible parent changes one's life and outlook immensely. I am also horrified at his behaviour towards your parents over the wedding.

TotalChaos · 17/07/2009 17:06

exactly Lulu, he sounds terribly cold to take the attitude - you dare criticise me and I ignore you for weeks (if you are lucky) or years if not...

JohnDory · 17/07/2009 17:09

i think the taxi is nothing to do with it.
he is a controlling wanker.

JohnDory · 17/07/2009 17:10

I have a mate who divorced and her h just HATED being with her really. So any excuse to ruin something and make it her fault was great as far as he was conerned.

pooka · 17/07/2009 17:11

He sounds hideously stroppy to me.

And the "I want the old moll back" line makes me grimace, and rather ties in with the whole bachelor flat/gym routine/roof terrace description that has already been given. It seems to me like Moll is tying herself in knots trying to accommodate everyone's needs but her own. And that he is causing this by being rigidly inflexible and stubborn.

But that's just my take on it.

Is not behaviour that I would tolerate in DH. He is also an adult and a grown up and realises that the world does not revolve around him.

pooka · 17/07/2009 17:12

And I think he's great because of that - he is unselfish and completely lacking in petulance. More so than me in fact

HeadFairy · 17/07/2009 17:13

Regardless whether he's right or wrong in thinking the op has changed, or he was right to be miffed at her families reaction to their wedding choice, or indeed whether he's right about whether they should stay in their riverside flat or that it was unfair to rush him to get in to a taxi... this is more about his reaction to these "challenges". The fact that he has to bend everyone to come round to his point of view or he won't speak to anyone until he gets his way is what alarms me.

OhBling · 17/07/2009 17:15

They're both controlling. I've just gone and taken a quick look at the other threads. The flat one, without reading any of the comments or further explanations is another taxi example. OP wants a house. DH doesn't. She thinks he's wrong, unreasonable and totally out of line. He thinks the same.

OP - you and DH need to talk. Seriously. And you need to start respecting each others needs and desires a whole lot more than you are currently.

HighOnDieselAndGasoline · 17/07/2009 17:15

I sometimes wonder about the posters who excuse all male behaviour and put the onus the woman to make things right. Either

a. they are self-hating women who actually feel their needs are less important that their husbands', or

b. they have no idea what it's like to be with a man like this.

In my relationship I was the main breadwinner, had all the responsibility for DD, did all the shopping, cooking, DIY, gardening, organising childcare and dealing with our respective families. XP not only did not support me in this, he actively criticised and undermined me. When I look back I could weep. Does anyone seriously think that I should have been pandering to his needs as well and that this would have improved the situation?

motherinferior · 17/07/2009 17:16

I have just read your linked threads.

His behaviour is frankly quite rivettingly awful. I really don't think he'd get residence, by the way.

cocolepew · 17/07/2009 17:16

No offence to the op, but he is a prick, and I can't see him getting any better.

HighOnDieselAndGasoline · 17/07/2009 17:18

Agree with Pooka about 'I want the old Moll back'. XP used to say this - what he meant was 'I want you to let me do whatever I want, like you used to do'.

expatinscotland · 17/07/2009 17:19

Spot on, Lulu.

Anyone who can go without speaking to their own spouse for over a week and cut off her parents for 4 years to demand an apology has some serious serious isses.

I completely agree, Greeny and MI.

Whatever happened to a 'Do unto others' approach when it comes to one's relationships?

JohnDory · 17/07/2009 17:19

what is your job?

pooka · 17/07/2009 17:19

Exactly Highondiesel....

Domokun · 17/07/2009 17:19

'I sometimes wonder about the posters who excuse all male behaviour and put the onus the woman to make things right.'

I sometimes wonder why any suggestion that BOTH people in a partnership need to change their behaviour and be more flexible and loving is interpreted as an attack on the woman...

fishie · 17/07/2009 17:22

have you read the other threads domokun? poor moll is being flexible and kind, or at least letting him get away with very inflexible behaviour while she is expected to conform to very rigid rules and some kind of code of conduct (which i think is rather sinister).

motherinferior · 17/07/2009 17:22

Because of the explicit assumption that he, poor thing, is feeling Squeezed Out (thank you Doktor F) and therefore it is Her Responsibility to Unsqueeze Him and regain her Former Verve and Enthusiasm.

motherinferior · 17/07/2009 17:25

Actually, Moll, I do seriously think you should get 'the old Moll back' by spending some time with your other real friends. I bet you've ended up focusing on all this far too much and it's starting to get to the point where you have no true perspective on it all. A night out. With your mates. He can look after DD, it'll be good practice for his 'residence'.

OhBling · 17/07/2009 17:25

I have read the other threads, or at least, the OP in each one. And I disagree that she's being flexible OR kind. The gym one was a bit weird, and as a standalone sounds like he was just being wankerish but in light of the fact that on the flat thread and the taxi thread I feel OP is being a little inflexible herself too, I would be interested in knowing what her DH was thinking in the gym.

His behaviour is immature and counterproductive. But surely you don't think it's happening in a vacuum?

Domokun · 17/07/2009 17:33

I have read the other threads, and I'm not accusing the OP of being inflexible. I'm just giving suggestions for ways forward to try and help the OP. But the fact they've agreed to counselling shows that he's being flexible too. Demonising the OP's DH might be fun or convenient, but it's not much of a practical way forward. He sounds like an ass, but people do behave like an ass if they're unhappy and so if the OP wants to find a solution then she and her DH need to find the root of the problem and work to solve it. That's not an excuse of her DH's behaviour, it's an attempt to got to a point where they're both able to become happier in their relationship.

'Because of the explicit assumption that he, poor thing, is feeling Squeezed Out (thank you Doktor F) and therefore it is Her Responsibility to Unsqueeze Him and regain her Former Verve and Enthusiasm.'

Yes - that may well be part of the problem, compounded by her DH's behaviour. That doesn't mean it's the OP's fault - I suspect blame lies with both of them. It usually does.

Sometimes people on here are more interested in attributing blame and criticising than finding solutions. Finding solutions almost always requires the realisation that both people in a relationship are to blame.

MollFlounders · 17/07/2009 17:42

HeadFairy - I don't know what to think. I find it very hard with DH to assess who is being reasonable and who is not. With the wedding, he didn't make me cut off contact he just pretty much refused to have anything to do with my family or if he saw them he would basically adhere to the bare minimum of socially acceptable behaviour. It was a horrible situation. He didn't push me into the wedding thing but I look at it through different eyes these days.

Having a baby hasn't changed my personality but it has changed the way DH and I interact with each other. I was more nurturing and affectionate towards him than I am now, there is no denying that. But it's a bit chicken and egg - I don't feel like being affectionate when he is being so difficult. He is perhaps then more difficult because I'm not being as loving as I used to be. I'm torn between thinking "grow up" and wondering if I am to blame. Hopefully counselling will help me clarify this.

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