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Husband says it's over, wants custody of DD

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MollFlounders · 17/07/2009 11:12

I would really appreciate some thoughts on my situation. I've posted a few times recently about DH. There have been issues in the past but things have been particularly rocky since I went back to FT work 3 months ago (DD is now 9 months old). DH has always been quite selfish and inflexible (previous threads on this are here and here) and this has, for me, become more and more difficult to cope with since having to juggle a demanding job and of course DD. Things are at the point where counselling is required. I found a counselling group who will see us each separately and then together in a facilitated session.

So DH and I had yet another row yesterday morning. It was very trivial. I was hosting an event for some clients. DH managed to get his own last minute invitation to the same event (going as a client himself, of another host). I offered to give DH a lift in my work taxi, but on condition we operated on my timing seeing though I had to get there to meet my clients (DH is usually late to everything). DH was very pleased about the lift otherwise he was stuck with a long tube trip. We agreed, I thought, that we would leave the house asap but would absolutely be in the cab by 9am. I was up and ready, having also gotten DD up and ready for her day, by 8.30am. As it happened, my taxi arrived to collect me at 8.40am. DH had gotten up at 8am and proceeded to faff around the house getting himself ready in slow motion. I asked him a few times if it was possible to hurry things along a little as the cab was waiting downstairs with the meter ticking along. He just kept repeating in icy tones "we agreed we would leave at 9. We will leave at 9". So we left at 9.00am on the dot, with me standing around waiting for him in the meantime. In the cab, I expressed my frustration at his inflexibility and I said that I didn't feel it was normal to be so incredibly rigid. He basically said "if you want normal, you're with the wrong person. I'm not normal."

I didn't see DH again last night as he went out with a friend after the event and came home late. This morning, he was monosyllabic. I reminded him that he needed to call the counsellor for his separate session. DH said "there's no point going to a counsellor unless you tell me that your behaviour yesterday morning was totally unacceptable and will never be repeated again". Apparently I was relentless in my nagging and this is totally unacceptable and tantamount to treating him with contempt. After all, I know he hates being rushed in the mornings.

DH then asked me if I want custody (I know it's residence) of DD and I said absolutely. Asked him what he wants, he says he wants custody. She is 9 months old. We have a daily nanny but I do everything for DD outside of that. A family lawyer has told me that it seems clear that I'm the primary caregiver and that I could move out with her if the marriage ends. My main priority in all of this is DD's happiness and stability.

I guess I've got two questions. Does the situation with DH sound hopeless? I feel we're at the make or break point but I'd go through counselling if there was a chance of it working. But if he's saying counselling is pointless then can you make it work?? Other question: what do people do with residence and contact when it comes to small babies? How often would be reasonable for DH to see DD and how do you do this (e.g. him coming to my place)??

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CMOTdibbler · 20/10/2009 14:21

I think its not unreasonable to not want him in your home - but is there a cafe where he could have tea with her at maybe 5 ?

Otherwise, it's not like she will actually know that it's her birthday today, and seeing him tomorrow would be fine. He could have contacted you earlier about it

Blackduck · 20/10/2009 14:21

My gut reaction is to say don't have him round. It has taken him until 11.30 today to think about texting to see dd, so I don't think you should feel guilty about saying 'no, it isn't convenient'.
And of course you will have an emotional time on the first birthday - thats a whole year, and look how much has changed...

MollFlounders · 20/10/2009 14:22

Ps. Aboardthe Axiom - I've been following your story too and wish you the greatest strength and very best of luck.

Re your question, I totally relate what you're saying. It's only now that I realise that I was functioning for years as an emotionless autopilot. It was the tremendous love that DD unlocked in me that made me realise how numbed I had become with H. And yes I became massively anxious once I truly acknowledged what was going on in our relationship. I became genuinely frightened of H, particularly after the strange hitting incident, but that just made me put all the pieces together and arrive at a very scary looking jigsaw puzzle. I never said it on here because I didn't want to alarm anyone but I honestly feared that he would try and kill me- it's hard to explain, it wasn't a rationale fear that he would actually do it, but it did make me so scared that I was contemplating leaving without telling him until the very last moment when I decided I would tell him. The way it feels now, with the passage of time, is that it was like being afraid of the bogeyman in the dark. When you turn the lights on, he really has no power at all. But in the dark, when you're there by yourself, it is terrifying. Please don't let that stop you. Your anxiety and fear will disappear as soon as you are free, although you will have a post traumatic stress reaction- well I did anyway, and have ended up on ADs to smooth the path through that. Good luck AATA.

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weblette · 20/10/2009 14:24

Agree with the posters above. Do not let him into your new place, if he was that desperate he'd have contacted you much earlier about it.

You've come such a long way Moll, it's brilliant to see.

weblette · 20/10/2009 14:25

Forgot to say, happy birthday to your dd

MollFlounders · 20/10/2009 14:32

I've just realised something: in H's email, he actually says he can be in my area at 5.55pm. This is the exact time at which DD was born.

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SCARYspicemonster · 20/10/2009 14:33

Hi Moll - nice to see you and happy first birthday to your lovely DD.

I'd say no to your ex's request to be honest. It's a power thing for him I think to want you to accomodate him at the last minute.

You could say that you have plans and you're taking her out for a birthday tea or something but it's not on for him to give you so little notice.
Why don't you tell him that he can see her tomorrow instead - then your nanny could take her to a cafe or something and he could spend some time with her there? Then that way you don't have to see him either.

Blackduck · 20/10/2009 14:34

is that deliberate do you think? or just a coincidence....? Still wouldn't let him come round.....!

MollFlounders · 20/10/2009 14:39

It's definitely deliberate. And he knows I will know why he's referred to 5.55pm. So now I don't know whether he actually wants to see her this evening or whether he just wanted to find a way of mentioning her time of birth to me, which he knows I will feel emotional about. I've become so cynical these last few months!

I called my family and their gut reaction was to say no, wait until tomorrow as well. I'm not keen (at all) to have him around, but as a middle ground I could suggest something along the lines of what CMOTD says.

Hello spice- have been meaning to get in touch and will.

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Blackduck · 20/10/2009 14:45

If it is deliberate he is still playing you and thinks he can...don't let him. If you want to offer for him to meet nearby for half an hour or so, do that, but otherwise stand your ground and tell him that it would have been nice to have heard from him a tad earlier!

NicknameTaken · 20/10/2009 14:58

I agree, put him off till tomorrow. He's trying to see if he can still get you to jump to his command, and he's using the most powerful weapon at his command - reminders of your child's birth, ffs.

Happy birthday to your DD, and enjoy the champagne!

ZZZenAgain · 20/10/2009 15:11

he knows your address I presume, so what's to stop him just turning up at 6pm?

Can you have some one else with you and dd there tonight? I wouldn't let him in tbh if you are the least bit uncomfortable about it, not to make a point as such but he's the type by the sounds of it like a very jealous ex of mine who actually (I kid you not) bugged my phone.

cestlavielife · 20/10/2009 16:08

no - tell him it's too late, you already made plans and he can see her tomorrow. dd wont know any different.

MollFlounders · 20/10/2009 16:49

Thanks everyone for the advice. Well, isn't it great when someone shows you just what they're really like and reminds you of all the reasons you're not there anymore? I just got a very hostile call from H in which he spoke to me from the outset as if I was a particularly dense person that he, to his great regret, was forced to have to deal with. I said that 6pm didn't work and he cut across me in icy tones telling me he had a right to see his daughter on her birthday. I'd already resolved to suggest 5pm so I did and he accepted that ungraciously, telling me that he'd now have to leave work very early. So it was a lovely chat! It's obvious how much he has been missing me!!

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Blackduck · 20/10/2009 17:09

Oh dear, how terrible, he has to leave work EARLY to see his daughter on her birthday...... clearly really bothered then

Never mind Moll enjoy the cake and champers...

SerenityX · 20/10/2009 17:33

The cab incident seems like a control and power thing as does the residence issue. A lot of men struggle to reconnect with themselves and see themselves after kids arrive as 'being forced' to settle down and have this changed vision of this themselves as if to say 'this is it, I am now trapped'. To some men this is how they can rebel and be a maverick!

It is down to low EQ. I'll bet if the cab was there to take him out with the guys to a footie game or whatever he's into he would have rushed.

Problem if that is the case then you can't point this out to him without emasculating him further. The only thing you can do is to help him to compensate and find ways to make him feel less trapped and domesticated without giving the game away.

I hate the way we have to play pyschiatrist!

S

MollFlounders · 20/10/2009 17:33

Thanks Blackduck- my cake has just come out of the oven (I'm out of practice with my baking and it took me way too long!) and it looks and smells delicious!

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SCARYspicemonster · 20/10/2009 17:37

Enjoy the cake and the champagne, you deserve it

Earthymama · 20/10/2009 17:40

Happy Birthday to DD, and Happy Day without Controlling Nasty Man to YOU!!

You will be fine, just remember that you aren'tscared all the time any more, you are a strong woman, enjoy your champers, you deserve it.
Blessings xx

weblette · 20/10/2009 18:11

Moll his true colours come out every time don't they.

Have a wonderful evening with your DD xxx

dittany · 20/10/2009 18:22

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SolidGhoulBrass · 20/10/2009 19:14

Happy birthday to your DD, hope all went well.I just noted in your earlier post how afraid you were of that nobber, and I have to say I was very concerned for you at the time as, of all the (sadly substantial numbers of) abusive wankers I have heard of on MN he was one of the most frightening. Remember, he's an arse and you don't have to let him bully you. ANd I would advise very very strongly that you don't ever let him in your house.

toftr · 20/10/2009 19:23

So pleased for you Moll, you are such a success story, I'm sure you've encouraged many people to be as brave as you. Thinking of you!

MollFlounders · 20/10/2009 20:20

Thanks everyone for the good wishes and happy birthdays for DD! I've had a really lovely evening with her and she's now in bed. The cake turned out and she shovelled great chunks of it in with glee. H did turn up to see her and this time was in tears, "I love you so much, I miss you so much, it's all going to be different, give me another chance". Water off a duck's back to me now!

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inveteratenamechanger · 20/10/2009 22:23

Another member of the Moll fan club here - you really are a fantastic woman!

Happy birthday to your DD. You are going to love the next year - my DD is 19 months and is such a joy.