Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Husband says it's over, wants custody of DD

943 replies

MollFlounders · 17/07/2009 11:12

I would really appreciate some thoughts on my situation. I've posted a few times recently about DH. There have been issues in the past but things have been particularly rocky since I went back to FT work 3 months ago (DD is now 9 months old). DH has always been quite selfish and inflexible (previous threads on this are here and here) and this has, for me, become more and more difficult to cope with since having to juggle a demanding job and of course DD. Things are at the point where counselling is required. I found a counselling group who will see us each separately and then together in a facilitated session.

So DH and I had yet another row yesterday morning. It was very trivial. I was hosting an event for some clients. DH managed to get his own last minute invitation to the same event (going as a client himself, of another host). I offered to give DH a lift in my work taxi, but on condition we operated on my timing seeing though I had to get there to meet my clients (DH is usually late to everything). DH was very pleased about the lift otherwise he was stuck with a long tube trip. We agreed, I thought, that we would leave the house asap but would absolutely be in the cab by 9am. I was up and ready, having also gotten DD up and ready for her day, by 8.30am. As it happened, my taxi arrived to collect me at 8.40am. DH had gotten up at 8am and proceeded to faff around the house getting himself ready in slow motion. I asked him a few times if it was possible to hurry things along a little as the cab was waiting downstairs with the meter ticking along. He just kept repeating in icy tones "we agreed we would leave at 9. We will leave at 9". So we left at 9.00am on the dot, with me standing around waiting for him in the meantime. In the cab, I expressed my frustration at his inflexibility and I said that I didn't feel it was normal to be so incredibly rigid. He basically said "if you want normal, you're with the wrong person. I'm not normal."

I didn't see DH again last night as he went out with a friend after the event and came home late. This morning, he was monosyllabic. I reminded him that he needed to call the counsellor for his separate session. DH said "there's no point going to a counsellor unless you tell me that your behaviour yesterday morning was totally unacceptable and will never be repeated again". Apparently I was relentless in my nagging and this is totally unacceptable and tantamount to treating him with contempt. After all, I know he hates being rushed in the mornings.

DH then asked me if I want custody (I know it's residence) of DD and I said absolutely. Asked him what he wants, he says he wants custody. She is 9 months old. We have a daily nanny but I do everything for DD outside of that. A family lawyer has told me that it seems clear that I'm the primary caregiver and that I could move out with her if the marriage ends. My main priority in all of this is DD's happiness and stability.

I guess I've got two questions. Does the situation with DH sound hopeless? I feel we're at the make or break point but I'd go through counselling if there was a chance of it working. But if he's saying counselling is pointless then can you make it work?? Other question: what do people do with residence and contact when it comes to small babies? How often would be reasonable for DH to see DD and how do you do this (e.g. him coming to my place)??

OP posts:
queenofdenial2009 · 21/09/2009 20:45

I agree with the above and don't buy any of it. He's done so much thinking yada yada, but hasn't been in touch until you initiated it. Has he actually seen your daughter since he meet with the nanny?

Ideally how would you have liked him to react? You don't have to tell us, but in your heart of hearts what did you want to hear? You know I'm a sympathiser and a supporter, but to be blunt I think you could waste a huge amount of time and energy trying to get him to take responsibility for his behaviour. I don't believe he will and, even if he does, then what? It's never going to make it OK again.

This in some ways is the hard bit. You need to make peace with what has happened in your years with him. And then leave it behind. That's not the same as pretending it didn't happen or understanding how it affected you, but not letting it determine your future.

BitOfFun · 21/09/2009 20:52

I agree with queenofdenial- hope you can keep working stuff out in your own counselling, and stay strong.

cheerfulvicky · 22/09/2009 06:33

Wow, how did I miss this??
I agree with dittany. I hope you're okay, Moll

nje3006 · 22/09/2009 17:26

I agree with all the others Moll, what a very smooth response. If he really hadn't realised he was like that, wouldn't he be too shocked to respond to a revelation like that? And if he did have an inkling he was like that, why hadn't he started to apologise earlier. I just don't buy it.

I also agree with the others that he seems light years away from being ready for MC. You need to gather your strength more through your IC, he needs to work on his own shedloads of stuff and then you might consider it. It's waaaay to early to consider it now. MC for what? To reconcile? Too early, you need to find your feet first. You need to be truly convinced that he has changed and thus far there is no evidence for that.

Also many MC will not work with couples in an abusive relationship, it's too easy for that to carry on in the counselling room. So until you and your IC can be convinced that he's had a complete personality transplant, it's too early.

You're doing brilliantly Moll. Keep on keeping on.

mmrred · 24/09/2009 22:58

Sometimes we get set ideas about people. Some people can have life-changing experiences that alter them drastically. It can happen in a very short period of time. I also think (and am prepared for flaming) that in every relationship there is a dynamic and part of healing is to acknowledge the part you played in your own abuse - by staying, by putting up with no emotional support, by thinking it was OK...

Moll, you don't love him, right? So support whatever efforts he is making in the context of him becoming a better father for DD. If he accepts that, makes genuine efforts to change for the person who should be the most important thing in his life, then fine, re-evaluate. Date him, see if he becomes a person who can give you what you need.

SolidGoldBrass · 24/09/2009 23:08

Oh FFS of course he's 'sorry'. Boo fucking hoo. Remember the time he accused you of hitting him when you hadn't, in order to threaten you with violence and claim it wasn't a threat at all? Remember his attitude to his baby DD - that she needs 'putting in her place' ie lower down the priority scale than him no matter what?
This is another textbook pattern, Moll. He weeps and wails about what a naughty little goblin he's been, then if you do forgive him, he will do something else contemptible and, when you object it will be 'oh but I warned you what a bad person I am, boohoo, I'm trying to change, why can;t you just shut up and put up with my behaviour?' Any time you challenged him it would be 'Why can;t you let go of the past, you're too oversensitive, this is not helping my recovery...'
Moll, you won't get a sincere apology from him, because he doesn't really think he's done anything unacceptable that you didn't 'drive' him to, because you're only a 'woman' and therefore don't matter as much as him.
Stick to formal contact only when strictly necessary, through a third party. Don't let this numpty into your head again.

queenofdenial2009 · 25/09/2009 10:12

SGB, I didn't know you knew my ex! That is word for word what he used to say to me all the time. Seriously Moll, it's textbook. I personally don't think he sees you as 'just a woman'; I think they just feel more entitled and that they're more important than anyone else - partner, kids, the whole world.

Keep it formal and nothing else. I'm sorry he's never going to realise what his behaviour has done to you, but you can't make it happen. Joint counselling is a non-starter IMO.

Blackduck · 30/09/2009 07:16

Hi Moll, hows things? Hope you are getting on okay.

cheerfulvicky · 30/09/2009 08:15

Yep, me too. Was thinking of you the other day I hope all is well! x

mumblechum · 30/09/2009 08:29

FFS counselling shmounselling.

Just divorce the pillock.

BitOfFun · 30/09/2009 08:36

absolutely, mumblechum.

texasholdem · 30/09/2009 22:49

Hi Moll, hope things are going well and you and DD have settled into your new home now.

Agree with others about his response and about how his behaviour just isn't going to change. Please try to remember all of the things that he put you through. The one that sticks out to me from reading your threads is trying to convince you that you had broken your nose. Sorry I don't mean to bring things like that up and hope it doesnt upset you but I honestly couldn't believe it when I read that thread. This man is a very controlling, manipulative (sp?), selfish person and to be honest I wouldn't care if he did change (although I don't think he will), especially after the way he was towards his DD. She should have been the centre of his world and maybe at times she was but some of the things he said re her (e.g about you not going straight to her when you come home from work) is just ridiculous. And I don't really think I would be able to get past that behaviour.

I really hope you keep strong and are feeling a lot more confidence since leaving.

You have done amazing so far.

cheerfulvicky · 08/10/2009 11:33

How's it going, Moll? You haven't posted for a while so I'm hoping you are really happy and enjoying the new place and DD. Let us know how you are doing when you get a spare minute..
x

cheerfulvicky · 19/10/2009 10:29

Err, me again! Just thought I'd bump this up the top. Moll, how are things my dear? Do let us know. x

MollFlounders · 19/10/2009 11:36

Hello everyone, and especially cheerfulvicky. I'm so sorry I haven't posted for so long. Gosh it's weird looking at this thread now as it makes me realise what a looong way I've come in the last few months. I think I got to a point where I just needed to have a rest from posting in order to focus on RL and the process I've been going through with counselling.

So the short story is that everything is pretty fine these days. I've had a few low points/wobbles, especially after my Mum left back in late September, but generally things have been really good. I've been trying to focus on DD, who is a complete delight, and on my friends, and on my work which has been very busy over the last month or so- and which I've been enjoying for the first time in years.

I've still got a way to go but I keep thinking of myself as someone who has been slowly coming back to life after years of being in an emotional vaccuum. I feel my self-confidence returning, I feel good about myself and my life, I feel happy about my achievements and proud of the decisions I've made, I feel positive about my future and.... I feel happy! I am in a place that I would never have thought I could possibly get to, thinking back to June when things were just so terribly, terribly bad.

So all is good, really. I haven't seen or heard from H lately as he has been on another trip by himself, this time for 3 weeks. He arrived back yesterday and sent me texts calling me "baby", saying he'd missed me, has bought me presents etc. I now feel very remote from all that and the next time we speak I will be introducing the divorce word as it's now completely clear to me that that's the only way forward.

Anyway, thanks very much for persisting with me on this very long journey! It's great having the company and thank you sincerely.

OP posts:
ZZZenAgain · 19/10/2009 11:42

I think it will take him quite some time to really accept it Moll. Well done, you were very strong to tackle everything the way you did. Thanks for letting us know how you got on.

Blackduck · 19/10/2009 11:47

Hi Moll, thanks for dropping by and letting us know how it is going - good on you girl! Think ZZZ is right - going to take H a while to realise you MEAN it, - presents, 'baby', is he really that dense!? Anyway, enjoy life, it is great to hear how good things are!

BiteOfFun · 19/10/2009 11:54

That's great to hear, Moll- I'm so glad you have found some happiness and are moving on with things. You sound ten times stronger than you used to, and I'm sure you will get better and better over time. Good luck with the divorce, it seems like a really positive thing for you- you are an inspiration to so many people! All the best x x

Lemonylemon · 19/10/2009 13:22

Moll that's such good news..... You sound fantastic and isn't it good how much distance you've put between yourself and June?!

My very best wishes for you and your DD's continuing happiness xx

Earthymama · 19/10/2009 23:02

Moll I've spent all day on and off reading this and I'm convinced you SHOULD write that booK, as you promised weeks ago!

You are a star, I so admire you. I send you and your DD many blessings and know that you will both be so happy. She will grow up with you as her role model, lucky girl!!

FourShour · 19/10/2009 23:18

Yay

great to hear you are doing well

and you are HAPPY

SolidGhoulBrass · 19/10/2009 23:35

Well done you! Glad things are working out for you and DD.

AboardtheAxiom · 20/10/2009 07:43

Great to hear from you moll, I want to thank you as whilst I was following your thread I too was coming to the realisation I needed to leave and am now on my own journey taking steps towards leaving. I am so pleased you are feeling happier and that your confidence and enjoyment of life is returning your daughter is very lucky to have you as her mum.

I hope you don't mind me asking this, and know you may not come back on as you are focuding on RL, but did you find your fear and anxiety excalated once you addressed the situation you were living in? Previously I wasn't scared of my partner but now I am alert to what he is doing I am so scared and anxious whereas before I think I was functioning on some emotionless autopilot.

NicknameTaken · 20/10/2009 10:26

Hurray, Moll! And I agree with earthymama that I want to read your book!

MollFlounders · 20/10/2009 14:17

Hello everyone and thanks for all the lovely messages. I'm back because it's DD's first birthday today and I decided I wanted to take the day off work. In fact, I've got a question for you all! So DH has been away for the last few weeks on holiday by himself, comes back on Sunday, sends me the "baby I missed you" texts and then I hear nothing further. In particular, he didn't make any suggestion that he see DD on her birthday, today. When the reality of the occasion of DD's birthday started to sink in late yesterday, I started feeling very emotional and teary- a whole combination of things: emotion at the milestone in her life, and in mine, proud of all her achievements in her short life so far, but also very sad and lonely that we would be celebrating just the two of us when I want her to be surrounded by other adoring fans. I also felt upset that H didn't seem bothered at all and hadn't made plans to see her, yet again, despite having not seen her for just over a month now.

Anyway, after a lot of crying last night, I picked myself up today and decided that we would have a special birthday tea today so I took DD out this morning and we bought ingredients to bake a chocolate cake and some champagne for me. Came home and started baking happily.... and then got an email from H at about 11.30am saying he'd like to see DD today after his work and he can be in my area at 6pm.

6pm is teatime in DD's day. It's really too late to take her out then so I'd have to have H over to my place, where he hasn't been before. So that means him coming to tea. Part of me wants to say that actually this evening is not convenient and he can take her for lunch tomorrow. The other part of me feels very mean for thinking of preventing him from seeing his daughter on her birthday. Not sure what to do now. What do you think?

OP posts: