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For all mothers of sons here are my handy cut out and keep tips on how to be a great mother in law, every one genuinely gleamed from YOUR threads!

170 replies

Slambang · 30/03/2009 20:30

To avoid the need for any more vitriolic MIL threads where poor misguided mothers of men are clearly going horribly wrong, I thought I would collate all your helpful rules for mother in laws into a single thread. Please feel free to add your own.

Note: These tips are based on my many years of arduous research reading Mumsnet.

Before the birth

  1. You may not tell dil that she looks tired or that her bump is growing. To dil this means you look like a big fat frump and not good enough for my darling ds.
  2. You may not tell dil she looks great. You are clearly not appreciating how tired and heavy she is feeling.
  3. You may NOT TOUCH DIL?s BUMP. EVER.

After the birth

  1. You may not expect to be invited to see the new baby on the day its born. Or the day after. Or the day after that. If you are lucky you may be allowed to pop in briefly (with presents) on about the 4th day when the REAL grandparents have gone.
  2. You may not comment that the baby looks like ds at that age. You are clearly not acknowledging that the baby is perfect, beautiful and just like dil.
  3. You may not bring as presents baby clothes (you clearly disapprove of dil?s baby style - how can she be expected to dress her pfb in that?), nappies (you disapprove of dils plans to use washables), bottles/ steriliser (HOW DARE YOU?).
  4. You may just be allowed to buy an expensive pram but only if this has not been bagsied as a present to be given by the real grandparents.

Growing grandchildren

  1. You may not help out at dil?s house. This is INTERFERING and implies she is not doing a good job.
  2. You may not visit dil?s house and expect to be fed a meal or any change in her pfb?s routine. She can?t just drop everything ? she has a baby, you know.
10. You may not pick up or otherwise hold pfb. This is disturbing and upsetting for all concerned and undermines dil?s parenting skills. 11. You may not buy extravagant gifts for pfb. This spoils pfb and undermines dil?s carefully planned regime of carrot sticks as rewards. 12. You may not buy cheapskate reduced items or pass on manky hand me downs to pfb. You clearly don?t value his/her unique wonderfulness enough. 13. You may not give pfb an affectionate nickname or otherwise abbreviate his/her (six syllabled pompous) given name. You do not have the right. 14. You may not expect to be visited on Mothers Day. You are no longer a REAL mother, you are now a mother in law. This does not count. 15. You may not chastise or in any way show any disapproval of pfb?s atrocious behaviour; whilst you may also not let pfb ?get away with murder? when you are kindly given permission to babysit. 16. Above all even if you forget all the other rules - the one golden rule. You may not pass comment or judgement, have any opinion or experience of any aspect of childcare. It will only end in tears.

please add your own.

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anniemac · 01/04/2009 15:47

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ItsMargotBeauregarde · 01/04/2009 15:51

I don't know about that list. Most of that slid off me. My MIL had to push me quite far before I cut her out. I put up with a lot. I didn't expect her to fade into the background. I only demanded that she be civil to me. She wasn't. Adios.

Most of the things on that list are fairly petty and easy to tolerate imvho.

I have one son and I hope that his DIL is reasonable. I won't try to be her best friend, and I'd expect her to want to spend more time with her own mother, that's normal. But I'm not going to disappear for 'her' convenience (if she seems to resent my presence, 'she' may not)

popsypie · 01/04/2009 16:06

I think the key to being a good MIL, DIL mother, whatever is having your own life too and not being too demanding of or dependent on other people in your family. Obviously love them, but when you start to revolve your life around them things get messy!!!

chickers · 01/04/2009 20:42

I too love this thread. My MIL is a nightmare I DREAD spending any time with her or my FIL because they treat us like kids not 37 year old people.
She always asks me if I have been to the toilet!!!! AAAAAARRRRHHHH!!!

I need to seriously get over my dislike of them as they are going to be around for a long time!!!
We are not seeing them at Easter and I am so chuffed!!!! Although my DH just asked me if we could drive the 7 hours to see them and cancel my sister coming to see us for easter. I shot him a look and he backed off!!!

LibrasJusticeLeagueofBiscuits · 01/04/2009 21:04

Well my MIL usually tries to make me take food home with us when we go visit, what is up with that? does she think I can't cook? does she think I don't look after her darling son well enough? that I am starving her darling grandson? Who the hell does she think she is? AND last time she came to visit she did the washing up which is clearly a statement on how she thinks my house cleaning is not up to standard.

Actually she is just being nice. I love my MIL.

Pinkglow · 01/04/2009 21:56

at the original post

Funny the only person that tried to say MIL was the 2nd grandparent etc was my own mother. I had to say that DS was just as much MILs GC as he was hers and how would she feel if my brother considered her as number 2 GP.

midlandsmumof4 · 01/04/2009 22:49

OldLadyKnowNothing-I was horrified when son asked if it was OK to thicken gd's milk with rusk at 4 weeks and clean the bottle teats with salt as his (now ex) partner's mum had suggested. I was very calm and said that I thought these ideas were extremely old fashioned but to check with the HV first . Fortunately, DIL thought HV was GOD so was quite happy to do this. Needless to say, neither action met with approval. I played by all of the opening rules, plus a couple not mentioned. Didn't do me the slightest bit of good. .

OldLadyKnowsNothing · 02/04/2009 01:00

midlandsmumof4, that's a useful tip re the HV, thanks. I have to say that my DS was very and at the rusk-feeding at three weeks, so I hope he'll have some influence over the raising of his own child. He and his GF are still together, but not living together, and atm they're talking about 50/50 residence so I'll live in hope that it all stays amicable. But tbh, they're so young (DS won't be 19 till a month after the baby's due, his GF is nearly 20) I don't suppose they will last (I know some teenage couples do, but it's rare) and of course I'll have to make nice to the GF and her mum if I want to keep contact with my first grandchild.

goes for tact injection

StercusAccidit · 02/04/2009 02:01

I love my MIL.
Ok so she gave me my DP who can be a mega PITA but she accepts he is and that it is partly her responsibility, she takes my side over his all the time
But if it wasn't for her..i wouldn't have DP which means i wouldn't have had DS2 FIL is a grumpy old sod so i know where DP gets this from.. and selfish too.

SIL is lovely..
They have all had their bit to say about me BF DS, ie, are you sure he is getting enough, is he hungry AGAIN??, There isn't a 'brick' in his belly, you haven't fed him properly.. ect ect.
MIL is ok and pretty easy going ... I know she doesn't see her first DGD, and only sees DGS and DGD2 because they live with SIL/my DP, if they lived with their mum she would hardly see them either.

Yes, it is scary to be mum to boys, i'm glad DS1 has decided to live on his own with snakes and a dog .. If relationships break up and the DIL doesn't allow contact, MIL's can miss out, i find that terribly sad. My DD's nan doesn't see her, that is DD's own decision. DS1's nan has him every weekend with solemn promises NOT to bring him up as she did with ExP

So, the thing i like about MIL now is that she says 'You are truly the best thing that has happened to my son, just the type of person he needs. You bring your baby up well and obviously love him very much and love my son very much, or you wouldn't put up with his shit (i quote) .. I wish he had had all of his children with you. But you won't be having any more at your age, will you?'

I'm 31 btw lol.

I think she's great though really, i'm very laid back so anything she says thats a bit, well, what anyone else may find offensive, shoots right over the top of my head. She does buy clothes, nappies, ect, for DS. She would probably babysit when he is older. I feel i could ask her advice if i needed to on parenting and take the advice or leave it as i wished w/o her getting all huffy.

She could be worse i suppose

StercusAccidit · 02/04/2009 02:14

Sorry, post seems a bit rambly.
Guess what i am trying to say is, be laid back, don't take offence to every foot-in-mouth moment with each other, don't revolve your lives around each others, be forgiving, and caring, accept that you are different people with different ideas.

Oh and that you are both female so will never agree on some things. And neither of you will back down
If you offer to wash up, some people will take that as an offence, some will rip your arm off for the offer of help, but feeling guilty that you have noticed it and offered to do 'work' that they should be capable of doing.. i find just walking in, and doing it while chatting away, almost absent mindedly, avoids both of these.
My own mum is a clean freak.
It annoys me no end she comments on EVERYTHING from when she walks in, to when she walks out. I just roll my eyes now and ask her if she would like to wipe her feet on the way out.

BUT i am grateful when DP is here and she says the same things, because it stirs him into action. She is HIS dreaded MIL! lol ..
You really are damned if you do and damned if you dont.
I suppose its down to not interfering, and thinking about how you come across when you say or do things, be sensitive.
This is applicable in ANY relationship, mother, MIL, DD, DS, friends, co-workers. Because of all the MIL jokes though, it has become acceptable to vilify the MIL. Totally unfair IMO.

OldLadyKnowsNothing · 02/04/2009 02:51

StercusAccidit, will you be my DIL?

hopeful look

StercusAccidit · 02/04/2009 09:34

Is your DS tall (at least 6ft 2 would be nice) and handsome with dark hair and......... an irrational fear of football and XBOX's ?

If so, i'll take him lol

If not i'll be your honnnnorraaaarryyyy one

totalmisfit · 02/04/2009 10:17

what a precious and dismissive list this is. yes some mils are dealt an unfair hand but by the same token many dils are royally screwed over by their inlaws

anyone who doubts this and whose heart is now bleeding for mils up and down the land is welcome to adopt mine. just let me know and i'll CAT you her details

may you have many happy years together

OldLadyKnowsNothing · 02/04/2009 12:10

Sorry, StercusAccidit, neither is over 6' (I'm a bit of a shortarse, so it's my fault. ) and neither has dark hair. They are, of course, both incredibly handsome, though...

sighs deeply

StercusAccidit · 02/04/2009 13:17

Oldladyknows nothing.. i am sorry about the position you find yourself in with your DIL.. 'having' to be nice and keep things amicable lest they split up and you don't see your GC.
However, if the worst comes to the worst you can make a court application to have contact.
Not nice, sorry but may come in handy..how could anyone stand by and watch the 'second best' GM / GP lose contact is beyond me.

The child is entitled to see people who would have a good effect on their lives and who love them.

Try not (and this is NOT a MIL dig lol) to say things about her parenting because, as you rightly say, she is very young, and back in the day i had my DD, it seemed every man and his dog was there undermining my parenting, making comment, ect. Equally, i really didn't have a clue. I was 17, had not had a good upbringing myself, so ..... was clueless. But i WANTED to be a good mum to my DD. The willing was there.
The things i was told to do probably made sense, and if they were delivered differently i would probably have listened, but i shut off because it seemed like it was backed by an undertone of, 'you don't know what you're doing, here, let me'

Not so much MIL as very overbearing SIL at the time, but also my own mum. My ExP was also full of the 'my mum says you aren't holding the baby right'.

It used to infuriate me. Luckily, i had an auntie i was very close to who offered wordless guidance. She constantly praised how well i was doing, chatted brightly while hoovering my house, picking up baby clothes, washing up. I didn't feel at all intimidated or upset by her approach.
I still go to her now, and i have thanked her, we are very close, even though she has long split from my uncle. She offered me nothing but friendship, no derogatory or judgy comments, of course as i didn't find her threatening, or feel that she was sitting there silently thinking i was a crap mum, even when i nearly dropped DD, or did her nappy up lopsided..i couldn't get annoyed out of guilt or feelings of inferiority, could i?..jeez, we all had to start somewhere didn't we? Babies don't come with instruction books, its easy to forget how hard things are, or how nervous we all were as new mums, how big the responsibility is, and, of course, how not EVERYONE is a 'natural' mum.

Its easy to 'take over' when you feel that it would be quicker, or better, if you just did it, i get impatient when my DS does the washing up, for example, so i would rather do it, but i have had to learn to take a step back, or he will grow up not knowing how to, or expecting his GF to take over, as i do... then i WILL be berated as a MIL for not 'housetraining' my DS.
Why does anyone, MIL, DP, mother..why..do they feel they can just grab your baby from you? No wonder people get angry.
Then, things are said that needn't be said, and off it goes. The start of a circle. If the DIL is young, or feels a bit nervous, other people interfering or taking over causes anger as they are made to feel inferior.

It doesn't matter who it is.
For example, i had a god almighty row with DP who constantly tutted over me dressing DS2 with great care and nervousness. Taking him off me, and ragging his clothes over his head, making him cry, ..... all the while announcing that 'you have to be confident' confident, yes, not rough ffs..... start of big row which i won when DS stopped crying as i continued to (albeit very slowly) gently and brightly chatting away while i did so.

Who gives a toss if it took half an hour?
DP wonders why DS clings to his shoulder when being held, but not to mine..could it be because he doesn't feel safe?
I don't comment, but i KNOW my own baby.
And now, i am not a nervous 17 year old who feels like everyone else is better.
I carried, gave birth to, and feed my baby how i want to.
Anyone who has anything to say WILL get a mouthful if they think they can comment in a veiled nasty way.
Otherwise, i will listen, but don't be surprised if i don't take your advice.

'Tis MY baby and don't you forget it.

OldLadyKnowsNothing · 02/04/2009 13:32

Thanks for that, StercusAccidit, are you sure the shortarse thing is a deal-breaker?

I usually handle "giving advice" in a roundabout sort of way - "perhaps you could try xxx?" or "I read somewhere that Y person found xxx useful", rather than "You MUST xxx" and I wouldn't dream of criticising anyone's parenting (unless actually abusive) out loud (though I may think dark thoughts. ) Reading mumsnet for a couple of years has made me more sensitive to the fact that other people do see things quite differently from me, and all the "my MIL is a controlling bitch" threads help me to see that what I might mean as helpful (washing dishes, doing a bit of cleaning) can be seen as undermining and silent criticism, so I'll be treading very lightly (asking what I can do to help rather than assuming and so on) and hoping for the best.

I guess rusk at three weeks is unlikely to be fatal. I started weaning DS1 at 12 weeks with baby rice added to the bottle, and he's a healthy young man now. Babies are fairly robust creatures, after all.

OldLadyKnowsNothing · 02/04/2009 13:34

Oh, and it'll be MY baby's baby too.

bares teeth

StercusAccidit · 02/04/2009 15:02

Lol

Unfortunately, unless he wants to spend his whole life looking at navel fluff. Cos i am like, 6ft 3 hehehe

Yes, its your babys baby too and i think its a damn shame mothers of the father are shoved to the back of the queue.

Even in families where the parents are together, blah blah, its such a terrible thing imo.
After all, it takes two to make the baby. Ok, so, IME, i carried the baby, i feed him, well, i do everything for him, thats my choice, i do throw him at DP once in a while to remind him what a shitty all up the back nappy looks like, DP loves to bath DS, when i have shoehorned him away from his stupid xbox (xbox widow) ..

What my basic point was was that its 'acceptable' thanks to MIL stereotypes and jokes n whatnot, to push them away/treat them like crap/delete as appropriate/your answer here.

Surely..one extra person to provide love and care to a child is a bonus? As long as they aren't interfering busybodies.
I believe most DIL's say the MIL is a nightmare because they CAN..its more acceptable than, say, saying the same thing about their own mother, even though it may be true.
My mum, as i said, is a bloody nightmare in some ways, but she's a brilliant mum and i love her, even if she does a good impression of a cats bottom when inspecting looking round my house.

Thankfully, i am the type of person who says, if you don't like it, YOU do it.
And i'll say that to anyone.

Being a sodding interfering busybody child snatching out of mothers' arms nosey old bag is NOT confined to MILhood... IMO everyone can be guilty of it.

Circle of life anyway. They can treat me how they like, my DIL's to be, but i would with nothing but make offsping on them so they could share the experience

You know what? Quite simply, i would ASK.
"Is there anything you would like me to do? I don't want to intrude/seem bossy/overbearing, so if you lead the way...blah blah"

I intend to ask my DD this way and wait till she asks me for advice in which case i will write the address to the MN page on a piece of paper and let her find out her own way lol.

StercusAccidit · 02/04/2009 15:04

After all, it takes two to make the baby. Ok, so, IME, i carried the baby, i feed him, well, i do everything for him, thats my choice, i do throw him at DP once in a while to remind him what a shitty all up the back nappy looks like, DP loves to bath DS, when i have shoehorned him away from his stupid xbox (xbox widow) ..

Sorry i meant to say it doesn't make him any less of a parent to DS so doesn't make MIL any less of a grandmother.

Saltire · 02/04/2009 15:17

How about
In your son and daughter in law's house
1 - Do not take it upon yourself to re-arrange the cupboards whilst your DIl is out. telling her "the cups look better in this cupboards" won't work
2 - Don't go raking through their laundry basket, looking for washing!3

  • hiding the Sky remote isn't a good idea, the channels can be changed manually.
OldLadyKnowsNothing · 02/04/2009 17:36

PMSL@ hiding the remote.

I think I'll just post in AIBU any time I'm not certain what to do, and let the collective wisdom of MN guide the way.

Liskey · 02/04/2009 20:02

Interesting reading this thread - there is a lot of generalisation about MILs.

My DMIL came round while I was in hospital having a missed miscarriage and started tidying - which was much appreciated. She was lovely and supportive as my own Mum is 150 miles away.

OldLadyKnowsNothing · 02/04/2009 20:11

No, no Liskey, she was using the opportunity to poke around your house, spy on you and undermine you by suggesting your housekeeping wasn't up to standard!

Liskey · 02/04/2009 20:32

Trust me she knows already what my housekeeping is like!

She's far more ready to blame her son for things not being up to scratch. I'm pleased that my DH is very similar to his Mum in character they are both so easy going

Trebuchet · 02/04/2009 20:39

As mum of 2 boys I find this very depressing. my MIL has 2 sons, I've always tried to be a really good DIL, I really love her. Perhaps Karma will do its work....