Wondering if DH is using Cocaine....

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I know he has done drugs when he was younger - but only recreational with friends etc. He is now in his 40's with respectable job and two children. I am convinced that he is using coke sometimes, as he is a terrible liar and often comes home with one bloodshot eye, saying he got dust in his eye, or last night it was that he had been at the pub and had a bag of peanuts and rubbed salt in his eye. Also on these occasions his breath has a sort of metallic smell. When we first met about five years ago, we went out to a big event and he went off to get a drink for us. He came back about half an hour later with no drinks! But rubbing his nose and sniffing. I was fuming but didn't know him well enough to confront him at the time. Also we went to a friends wedding 2 years ago and he went off to the toilet for ages then came back saying that he had perked up a bit and he was quite restless. I probably ruined my friends wedding but I confronted him this time and he said I was being ridiculous and that he hadn't done that in years, but I know for a fact that other people at the wedding were snorting coke (he knew nobody there so not sure how that all came about.) Anyway just not sure how to tackle this. I have tried to just forget about the occasions I suspect as I know I can't prove anything, and if I say anything he will just deny it and we will have a massive argument. I know that if I am right then it is only occasional use, but still.....I don't want to be with someone who is lying to me and doing drugs when we have a family. Or does anyone think he's telling the truth????!

Rhubarb - Yes, drugs and crime do have an affinity, mostly because there is so much (tax-free) money to be made in the drug trade and no control whatsoever.

And whose fault is that?

Prohibition led to the rise of the Mafia. Then alcohol was legal again and its relationship to crime dissipated.

Again, cote, you are off topic a bit here.

But this and this should be the last word over what it's cut with.

And whilst it's fine to disagree with other posters Cote, your attacks are becoming personal and so your argument is in danger of losing credence.

Cote, cocaine is not legal. This is not an argument about whether it should be legalised or not. This is about the harm it does now.

If you want it legalised you go ahead and campaign for that. But until that happens, the money used to pay for these 'recreational' drugs will fund crime.

Agree Rhubarb. Cote that's too personal.

Yes, I should camp in front of the parliament with signs and demand legalisation of drugs. Why haven't I thought of that before

My point is that it is easy to stop people from funding crime through purchasing drugs - legalise. This is what happened with alcohol.

If it makes you feel better, it's been many years since I did any drugs so I'm not funding anything. Not even the tobacco industry, since I quit smoking late 2007.

Yes it probably would be. But that's not going to happen is it?

And it's a poor excuse for a 'recreational' drug user to blame the criminal activity they are helping to fund, on the government for not legalising drugs.

Also, here is a link that states cocaine is mixed with cement powder.

HERE

Rhubarb - Where does it say in any of those two links that cocaine is cut with ammonia and/or cement dust?

Those were Attila's claims, if anyone remembers.

Incidentally, your link to Wikipedia's "Cocaine" entry says exactly what I said earlier: Ammonia is used to make freebase from cocaine.

And another

HolyGuacamole - That article doesn't say cocaine is cut with cement powder (simple mixing with final product). It says cement powder is used in its production (chemical reaction). It also says petrol is used.

The finished product doesn't have any cement powder in it, nor does it have any petrol.

Do we need to look into the definition of a 'chemical reaction' again?

Oh and if anyone is under the impression that I have posted any personal attacks whatsoever, feel free to report me to MNHQ.

They might explain better than I can that it is not a personal attack to note that someone is wrong, can't post any proof/source of her allegations, and can't seem to admit being wrong.

I thought coca leaves were washed out with ammonia on the farm - in fact I think I saw it happen on a Bruce Parry show. I seem to remember all the ammonia mixture being tipped down into the local river where it pollutes the supply. Since seeing that programme my own occasional coke use has stopped. I find the human cost to much to bear.

However, I would never push my personal views on to anybody else. My dh still occasionally dabbles as to most of our friends.

How cocaine is made - ammonia, sulfuric acid, kerosene et al.

www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/cocaine.illicit.production.html

Look everyone,

I really don't think that anyone from opposing sides of the drug debate is ever going to persuade eachother to change their view on the subject.

Cote - for what it's worth I don't think you were getting personal with Attilla, I think that it's clear that her position on drugs is based upon a limited and unfortunate experience of two people who were addicted, and that the 'facts' she has presented are basically not correct. However I can understand why someone with these experiences and with this anti-drugs stance would want to present all kinds of information to try to stop other people from supporting any kind of drug use, recreational or otherwise.
Just as someone like yourself (and to a certain extent myself) would want to argue the differences between addiction and recreational use and why we get hung up on semantics and mis-understandings like the difference between 'production' and 'cutting'.

It's perfectly acceptable for someone like you to correct their misconceptions but I don't think doing this will actually change their minds.

I don't personally think that arguing over pimps and prostitutes was very good for the discussion and only led to arguments rather than discussion on this subject, so hopefully we're past that now. I can understand why posters want to make people aware of the whole process surrounding the drug trade and I think it should be quite clear to them by now that those of us who have used drugs or who are not shocked by recreational drug use are aware of these things but we also know that this knowledge doesn't stop people from using drugs recreationally.

For some people drugs are very very scarey and not just because there are a lot of media-led scare stories surrounding them. I'm sure everyone knows that just like drink, smoking, fatty foods etc, Drugs can be dangerous. Some are more dangerous than others, some can be taken relatively safely.

Basically I don't think it's worth getting into a big fight about it - some of us are very anti-drugs, some of us have good reason to be, some of us are anti-drugs based only on what we have read. Others, while not pro-drugs, can see that recreationally they do not always lead to addiction or death. Some people ave very mis-informed about drugs and it's good to share knowledge but that knowledge should be factually correct.

As far as the OP is concerned I think you are in a really difficut situation as you seem to have little evidence and are now stuck and don't know what to do. I hope you manage to sort it out, I hope your OH hasn't lied to you.

Well said namechangingdudette.

This has gone so far away from the OPs post that it is actually quite sad. Sorry OP

NCD

I could not agree more either; if anyone wants to misinterpret what I said re cement dust and ammonia (which was subsequently noted to be part of the crack cocaine manufacture) then that is down to them. Even I know there is a difference between cutting (my comment re the cutting basically stated well regardless of what is in it its still poisonous stuff) and manufacture and my initial posts were more about the manufacture and the effects on the general populace.

I wrote this originally:-
"Cocaine is often mixed with impurities like cement dust, ammonia and other assorted chemicals to bulk it out". As can be seen there is no reference to the later process of cutting.

Cote - for what its worth would just like to say that I would not report any of your comments to MN HQ. Its not my style frankly and I have far more things to worry about() than some words on a internet discussion thread between strangers who will never meet. Would like us just to agree to differ and leave it at that.

Feel sorry for PC in all this, I hope that she and her H find a way through.

I can't believe this thread! Wouldn't normally get involved in a thread like this but ffs!

Cote - It seems to me that the main point was missed by your desire to show a superior knowledge about drugs , and that is the point of illegal drug use by a man with two children.

What about the children? the lying? Being at a family occasion whilst under the influence?

I am no prude but would not tolerate drug dealing having any link to my family.

I agree roseability. Cote, I was not agreeing with Attilia, I was hoping that my link to what coke was cut with would end that particular argument so we could focus on the original OPs post.

Accio -

For the nth time:

"How something is made" - many different and even poisonous chemicals are used in the production of a lot of things we use in everyday life. These are used in chemical reactions - i.e. to change one substance into another - which means that the finished product does not contain any of these chemicals.

"What something is cut with" - simple mixing of two ingredients, with lower concentration of each in final product. Ex: putting sugar in your tea, mixing baby powder with cocaine etc.

The point is (and has been for the past few pages) that the statement "cocaine is often cut with cement dust and ammonia" means there is cement dust and ammonia in final product which people use, and that is wrong.

I've run out of ways to say this and frankly beginning to think that there is no point in posting anything because people just don't care to read and try to understand

Attila - Nobody misinterpreted your words. "Mixed to bulk it out" is the very definition of "cutting".

Anyway you seem to have realized your mistake and hopefully will not be repeating it in future discussions.

In absence of acknowledgment, that will have to do.

roseability - Sorry you feel that way, but this is not the only subject where I will not let an obviously and demonstrably wrong statement go unchallenged. Attila could have just said "Oh yes, my mistake" or some such and that would be the end of it.

Oh and one last thing:

Attila - Note that Crack (freebase) and Cocaine are not the same thing. Crack is not water soluble and can't be snorted. It is smoked (like Michael Douglas' daughter did in 'Traffic').

By the way, it was me who explained to you further down that ammonia is used to chemically convert cocaine into crack.

Regardless of whom was right or wrong, the op had very genuine concerns which have been totally ignored in the need to be right, which reading through this thread YOU cote are most guilty of. It doesnt matter who said what got cut with which to whom - how very school playground. Intellectual arguments about drugs are interesting but not at the expense of sensible HELPFUL advice for a poster in real difficulties. Not on guys.

OP how are you - have things improved - how do you feel about this now. FWIW Whilst his use doesnt sound excessive I strongly believe that there is no place for this kind of behaviour in family life so understand you concerns totally.

Cote - you have completely ignored the OP, which is also very rude.

You have made your point to Attilia, but if you want to start a debate on what coke is cut with, you should start a different thread. Because right now this one reads as a private argument between you and Attilia and both of you have completely lost the original point and have ignored those of us who have tried to steer it back on course.