Wondering if DH is using Cocaine....

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I know he has done drugs when he was younger - but only recreational with friends etc. He is now in his 40's with respectable job and two children. I am convinced that he is using coke sometimes, as he is a terrible liar and often comes home with one bloodshot eye, saying he got dust in his eye, or last night it was that he had been at the pub and had a bag of peanuts and rubbed salt in his eye. Also on these occasions his breath has a sort of metallic smell. When we first met about five years ago, we went out to a big event and he went off to get a drink for us. He came back about half an hour later with no drinks! But rubbing his nose and sniffing. I was fuming but didn't know him well enough to confront him at the time. Also we went to a friends wedding 2 years ago and he went off to the toilet for ages then came back saying that he had perked up a bit and he was quite restless. I probably ruined my friends wedding but I confronted him this time and he said I was being ridiculous and that he hadn't done that in years, but I know for a fact that other people at the wedding were snorting coke (he knew nobody there so not sure how that all came about.) Anyway just not sure how to tackle this. I have tried to just forget about the occasions I suspect as I know I can't prove anything, and if I say anything he will just deny it and we will have a massive argument. I know that if I am right then it is only occasional use, but still.....I don't want to be with someone who is lying to me and doing drugs when we have a family. Or does anyone think he's telling the truth????!

Cote,

How would you know what its been cut with?.
You can't tell by looking at it and why on earth would anyone want to readily injest baby powder?.

Why on earth would I make something like that up - honestly?. You should give me more credit. What do you think is used to cut cocaine with; how do you think its manufactured?. Kerosene is also used as well in its initial processing. Its certainly not made in a clean and safe environment and all people who take cocaine no matter how irregularly are funding this trade. Spain and the UK are two of cocaine's biggest western markets after the US; not a statistic that we as a nation should be particularly proud of.

Phenacetin is one of the most desired cutting agents because of its similarity in appearance to cocaine. Cocaine cut with phenacetin can thus be sold to buyers further down the supply chain as being of high purity.

And you really don't want to injest phenacetin (banned painkiller with carciogenic links).

Cocaine is truly one of the most insidious drugs known to man. Its a scurge on society with a false image of it being a "champagne" drug. I suppose its image somehow makes it more palatable for the middle class and middle aged "chattering classes" hence the increased demand over the years.

wily - Sulphuric acid is used in quite a few chemical reactions. Iirc, it is used to dry stuff (because reacts with water) and is used in production of dried fruits.

Needless to say, there is no sulphuric acid in these dried fruits. Just as there is no sulphuric acid in cocaine.

The definition of a chemical reaction is that what you put in doesn't come out intact but is changed into (an)other chemical(s).

I would talk talk talk til i was blue in teh face before I would use one of those tests.

Attila - Before you make new claims (Phenacetin?) you really should try to support your previous ones. Namely, that cocaine is "often" (no less) cut with cement powder and ammonia.

I explained to you why those two were highly improbable if not impossible to mix with cocaine. You haven't replied. Can you give a sign that you understood?

Kerosene is used to 'cook' a lot of things, even food. Why should it be shocking that it is used in cocaine manufacturing?

"Cocaine is truly one of the most insidious drugs known to man. Its a scurge on society"

You are preaching

What exactly is your claim to authority on the subject? Have you ever done any cocaine? Do you know any recreational users except the two whose lives are ruined etc?

with a false image of it being a "champagne" drug. I suppose its image somehow makes it more palatable for the middle class and middle aged "chattering classes" hence the increased demand over the years.

I just realized why you are confused re ammonia - it is used to make crack cocaine ("freebase") from cocaine.

Again, this is a chemical reaction. It is not a simple mixing of two substances ("cutting"). There is no ammonia in the resulting substance.

Freebase is not soluble in water so can't be snorted. It is smoked, like Michael Douglas' daughter did in the film "Traffic". (I have no personal experience of this. Apparently it is highly addictive)

Now that we have understood why you think "cocaine is often cut with ammonia", you only need to explain the "cocaine is often cut with cement dust" claim. Please do. I'm curious about how on earth you can possibly believe this.

Cote, since you seem to be fond of questioning everyone's authority on this issue, can I ask what yours is? Other than having taken the stuff?

ffs whether it's cocaine or macdonalds burgers or nestle produce or any bloody thing

Set boundaries of what is acceptable to you both
Stick to them
Have clearly defined action and consequence dialogue

Doing drugs casually or otherwise is acceptable to some and not to others. Decide which you are and what you want for your relationship, partner, father of your children.

Well that's what I think....

sorry that was a bit feisty

Fair enough though.

We all know there is corruption aplenty in this world. But no more so than in the drugs industry. Yes it probably is hypocritical to bang on about the damage it does whilst using Dove Soap for instance. But there are varying degrees of damage and the drugs trade is right up there at the top.

If we took your attitude Cote, then we might as well say 'sod it' to everyone else and just live our lives the way we want to.

Attila - I am a bit confused by this question...

"How would you know what its been cut with?.
You can't tell by looking at it and why on earth would anyone want to readily injest baby powder?."

I think CoteDAzur wasn't saying she can tell what all coke is cut with, but did give a pretty good scientific reason why cocaine would not be cut with cement.

It's really the second part, the "why on earth would anyone want to readily injest baby powder?" bit that I don't understand.

As far as I am aware dealers buy 'pure' coke and depending on its quality they cut it with things like baby powder or those protein powders you get in health food shops so that they can sell more. I might be wrong. I don't think anyonw would readily want to injest baby powder but most people who buy coke regularly would know that the coke they are buying is not 'pure' and that the dealer has probably bulked it out with something.

The way I look at it any dealer who cuts coke with anything really dangerous won't keep his/her 'clients' for long.

However, I am sure someone with more knowledge will be able to explain more in the mean time can you explain a bit more what you mean?

Also - the way I understand it the 'cutting' part of dealing coke is not the same as what you are describing RE the contamination during the production phase. They are surely different things?

Rhubarb - I've "taken the stuff" on occasion, and know lots of people who have done the same. Also, the analytical weirdo that I am, I quite deeply researched all substances I was ingesting at the time.

So yes, all this does put me in a better position to tell right from wrong on this subject, especially compared to some people who haven't even seen the stuff, let alone tried it.

I ask what Attila's claim to authority is because she makes funny allegations like ammonia in cocaine then asks me to take her word for it ("Give me credit").

It's ridiculous. Ammonia isn't even a solid at room temperature so can't be mixed with a solid. And anyone who has had a whiff of ammonia in school chemistry lab knows its pungent smell. You smell it once and wish you were dead, it's that horrible. Who in his right mind would believe cocaine is cut with ammonia, and that people then put ammonia in their noses?

So yes, I do feel I had grounds to ask what her claim to authority was on the subject. Aside from having known all of two users.

Ronaldinhio - completely agree with you and don't think that was too "feisty". In my opinion, we HAD set boundaries of what was acceptable in the relationship, but that is the point here, that if I am correct in my suspicions he has broken the arrangement. He knows the consequences.

Coke is most commonly cut with speed, sometimes with mdma which are both cheaper but obviously safe.

And yes it is easy to tell what and if it has been cut.

really TheDevilWearsPrimark?

With Mdma?

I was under the impression that it would be cut with protein type powders or as said previously with milk powders.

Even though Speed and MDMA are cheaper, surely anyone selling coke wouldn't want to waste the money they might get selling MDMA by cutting it into coke?

I'm not sure that, at least at the dealing stage, coke is most commonly cut with MDMA?

Are we not missing the point a little though? Cote, I'm glad you've done your research on how harmful or not coke is for you, but you seem to think that the harm it does to the wider population is totally irrelevant.

Drugs are the backbone of the criminal industry. Many police forces are now arresting people for driving whilst under the influence of drugs, but many of them are getting away scot free because the police don't have the drug testing kits they need.

Burglaries, muggings, knife crime, gang culture, assaults - most of these are drug related.

You might think that some suited businessman doing coke at a party is far removed from those images, but these are the things he is paying for.

And yes Cote, if you really want statistics and proof I'm sure I can provide them for you.

most of those crimes are related to drug addiction, not to recreational drug use Rhubarb.

Really? So where do you think the money goes that you pay for the drugs with? To buy pizza?

Criminal activity is funded by drugs. That's my point. I'm not saying the suited businessmen are out there breaking into little old ladies homes to score some crack, I'm saying that they money they give pays for the knives and guns used on our streets every day. Not to mention the fact that many drug dealers are also pimps and callous bastards that think nothing of standing outside schools selling their wares.

"most of those crimes are related to drug addiction, not to recreational drug use Rhubarb."

You crazy, namechangingdudette?

Taking drugs recreationally also means that you are supporting hideous violence here and abroad. It's just not justifiable.

Check out the news in Mexico for example. Pretty horrific stuff

Animals also suffer violence. Dogs are used as drug mules and slit open alive.

I don't pay for drugs.

I was refering to your comment about Burglaries, muggings, knife crime, gang culture, assaults being mostly drug related.

And funded by drugs money.

"Not to mention the fact that many drug dealers are also pimps"

can you provide a source for this statement?

Does it matter whether crime and violence occurs because of addiction or by suppliers?

"Not to mention the fact that many drug dealers are also pimps"

"can you provide a source for this statement?"

Now you sound very naive, namechangingdudette.

How do you imagine pimps keep their birds?

To no-one in particular:-

I can only write from my own experiences. I have said no to using it. Why would I want to poison myself regardless of how it is made and what it is cut with?. Its all poisonous crap regardless of what it in it.

No-one has to believe me when it has been reported that all sorts of chemicals goes into its manufacture - I wouldn't have believed it myself. I don't use this and would not want to. It screwed up these guys lives big time (there are families here who have suffered greatly too); they thought they could control it by dabbling and they could not. They have both paid a very high price.

Society as a whole pay a very high price for drug addiction. Does that really need spelling out?. Even recreational drug use is not without its own risk and every time money is spent on drugs this goes directly into the criminals hands.

Will not be writing any more on this particular thread. Am tired of reading the same old arguments and justification.