Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Feel desperately let down by Relate counsellor who makes me feel like I am going mad for thinking DP shows warning signs of abusiveness...

167 replies

cheerfulvicky · 16/02/2009 21:24

Sorry, just need to vent. I know Relate are supposed to be impartial and not take sides, but I feel so upset about tonight's session and can't face ever going back. And I think my relationship is over.

The counsellor
laughed at me and implied I was oversensitive for feeling flattened by DPs quietly controlling behaviour. Said I should 'rebel' and just do what I wanted while staying in the relationship. I don't want to rebel because I want an equal partnership, not one where my partners insecurity and issues with control leave me feeling like my every move is scrutinized, I am subtly discouraged from doing anything that would make me likely to become more confident and therefore leave him.

I was sobbing as I left as I left utterly distraught at not being taken seriously. I do feel frightened of my partner sometimes, he has never hit me but there is huge imbalance in our relationship and I feel like she doesn't understand HOW FUCKING HARD it is to break the cycle. She has no concept of how broken down you can get, how belittled and small and silly you can feel so that you CAN'T rebel, can't bloody do anything because you are a shadow of your former self. I feel like buying her a copy of Lundy Bancroft's book and sending it to her, but I do not feel like going back there. I don't think I can do anything except leave him, and that's what I'm going to do.

I badly wanted support but Relate isn't helping, its made things worse and he now seems to think his behaviour isn't a problem at all , that we are 'miscomunicating' or it's all in my head. Am so upset right now, I just had to get this out. My mum was babysitting and when I was still crying when we got home, she saw how bad I was. She was great, said I am not going mad, the counsellor hasn't seen the real situation in a few sessions and not to lose heart, this stuff is happening, I'm not imagining it. She told me to go and read the websites about passive agressive behaviour to reassure myself I'm not mad, it's subtle but real.

Please could you give me some support and be gentle, because I'm very low tonight and I haven't felt this upset in years. If it wasn't for my son I think I'd be in a much worse, more self destructive place. I feel so betrayed by the counsellor. I understand how it has to be but, God, it hurts. I feel so alone.

OP posts:
morningsun · 17/02/2009 00:53

ll,i was under the impression counselling was a blanket term covering several approaches but mainly mediating and talking things through ~silly me
it seems to be being a bit overblown by you ll as if its a complex scientific process which works in mysterious ways...but simultaneously destroying all in its path

bedtime i think

cv hope you're ok and be confident in your own judgement,you know what is going on and post for support on herex
fwiw your counsellor sounds hopelessly out of her depth

BitOfFun · 17/02/2009 00:54

I do always enjoy a well placed Aitch! I take your point, but even though I think she's wrong here, even loon is a bit harsh IMO

lessonlearned · 17/02/2009 00:56

Mumonthe net the agreement would have been made at the 'contract' stage.
Now I have attracted all this attention and risked hijacking the post, (not my intention), I really must go to bed.
I don't think anyone is really interested in what I have said, and now the 'abuse' is directed at me, I will have to withdraw.
Best of luck, cheerful, I hope it works out well for you.

BitOfFun · 17/02/2009 00:58

You can't win em all LL! Hope you are ok, and cheerfulvicky is too- I know we all want the best for her, and we're here to see how she gets on

lessonlearned · 17/02/2009 01:03

Thanks BoF I'm fine , maybe hardened by years of abuse, but its taught me to have faith in myself and the processes that I used for my healing. It's not for everyone as I have said many times.

dittany · 17/02/2009 01:05

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

BitOfFun · 17/02/2009 01:06

OK, night night pet- let's come back to it tomorrow, and see how it pans out x

mumonthenet · 17/02/2009 01:06

you haven't hijacked anything LL. No more than any of us have since cheerful went to bed ages ago

I wasn't trying to needle you with my questioning just interested in your opinion.

Cheerful, our support is always here for you.

dittany · 17/02/2009 01:10

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

cheerfulvicky · 17/02/2009 10:49

Blimey, you have been busy. I checked at 6am as I couldn't sleep, but didn't feel like posting. Thanks for all the replies. I'm feeling marginally better today, although quite apprehensive about what will happen when DP gets in from work (we weren't speaking last night). To add some extra interest, MIL usually pops in about 5.20, so things could be a bit... strained.

lessonslearned: I also wanted to ask if you were a counsellor but didn't have the energy.
I have a lot of respect for you, and you offer some good advice on these boards normally, but I must disagree with you on this one. It doesn't appear that our counsellor has a master plan, or that she is about to 'take it to the next level', and I don't feel that I will be missing out from enlightenment that can't be obtained elsewhere if I don't go back. I would say that as I have actually met the woman, and told her all I can in the short time allowed, that she is instead (to quote others on here) hopelessly out of her depth.

She's not a bad person, but she doesn't have and never will have the understanding necessary, because she doesn't follow us around 27/4 and see what he's really like. He's coming across as hurt, wounded, powerless, gruff, bad at communication, and not one for displays of affection - but with with a soft heart. This is not the person I live with at home, though there are times when he is like that. When I got home from that appointment I couldn't speak for crying, but once I could my first words to my mum were "She doesn't believe me". That's pretty much how I feel. I may have been looking in the wrong place for support and I recognize that, but it still stings. I never ever want to sit in that fucking room again and try to explain only to have the focus shifted, half the things I say ignored because they don't add up, don't fit in with her agenda of putting a massive plaster over it all.

To all the rest of you who posted, thank you so much. I did remember Lundy Bancroft mentioning that couples counselling is unhelpful in these situations, but by the time I got to that place in the book our first appointment with Relate had been arranged, and I had been really keen to go. So I though I'd give it a try

At the beginning of the session yesterday I felt really confident, and calm. Dp was quiet, and very sad because I think he knows its not going to work from stuff I'd said the day before. By the END of the session I had tears streaming down my face, she was ushering us out the door because our time was up, and Dp had a new light in his eyes. He'd perked up remarkably. They both looked at me pityingly and little smiles as they asked if I wanted to come back. "Well," said Dp, sounding chipper, "I think we've got something here. Why DON'T you feel able to just do what you want, even if I make it difficult for you or are discouraging? Yes, I think there's something to be explored here." He looked positively cheerful. The whole issue of whether I wanted to be with him or not, his agony at waiting for me to make up my mind, his feelings of powerlessness, were gone.

It was, hurrah - we've found a reason for all the shit, and that reason is MISUNDERSTANDING COUPLED WITH OVERSENSITIVITY. It explains everything. Lets not think about whether or not you want to leave me and get the fuck away from all this, lets try and fix things. Because you're the one with the problem, so we can start with you! You're simply reading too much into things! I never intended to be nasty or controlling, you just think I did. All we need to do now is convince you of the same...

I guess we need to talk tonight at some point. The counsellor may be many things, but she was right when she said that we need to talk

OP posts:
TotalChaos · 17/02/2009 10:58

sorry the counselling has left you feeling worse. have a look and see if this is running in your area:-

www.freedomprogramme.co.uk/freedomprogramme/index.cfm

nanninurse · 17/02/2009 11:04

We tried relate once (went 2-3 times) & i found it awful, i too felt that the counsellor was on dps 'side'. She made me feel silly & i really felt angry towards her.
I was far younger & didn't really know much about counselling, looking back i think i should have reported her as she was so unprofessional.
I am sure as in all walks of life there are good & not so good professionals...

Could you go on your own,? the gp' often have nhs counsellors attached to the surgery..

solidgoldbullet4myvalentine · 17/02/2009 11:06

Bloody woman! (The counsellor, I mean) It just goes to show that being a counselor doesn't guarantee you have any sense. I just bet your DP is feeling better, he's had all his bullying, controlling tendencies validated and it's 'all your fault for being so sensitive'.
Keep posting on here whenever you need to, and do get in touch with Women's Aid, they will not tell you you are being oversensitive. Good luck.

expatinscotland · 17/02/2009 11:08

I agree with solidgold (as usual). I'd also report this 'counsellor'.

MrsMattie · 17/02/2009 11:12

I am only responding to the OP because don't have time to read the whole thread.

The counsellor sounds dreadful. She should take all of your concerns very seriously, not belittle or trivialise them. Definitely report her to Relate.

However - getting at the crux of the matter - while I think it is honourable that you have gone to Relate, in my experience, controlling men don't often change. The way your DH makes you feel sounds dreadful, and if I am brutally honest, I cannot see how this man could ever make you happy? .

AnyFucker · 17/02/2009 11:15

cheerfulvicky, good morning

at the risk of hugely oversimplifying things....

just leave him, love

this is never going to work and will potentially hurt you even more

GettingaGrip · 17/02/2009 11:18

What dittany said....as always.

A similar thing happened to me. I never went back, but my partner did, on his own. He was validated, I was left in a complete mess.

As i was young and trained to be passive and controlled at the time, a good therapist would have spotted this and my life might have been very different. As it was, all the counsellor did was carry on the training started by my parents and continued by every partner I have ever had.

I had no-one to talk to or help me at that time..it was many years before mumsnet!

This counsellor is a dangerous person. They should be forbidden from seeing couples together at all when there is any sign of abuse.

LOL at lessonlearned's explanation. but not lol in an amusing way! What an appalling idea! Any validation of an abuser just feeds their entitlement.

And what an arrogant idea that the counsellor should be able to make the abuser see the error of their ways when their own partner has been unable to.

And also to the poster who asked Cv how she knew that her partner was abusive if she had never stood up to him.....words fail me.

BitOfFun · 17/02/2009 11:20

Mrs Mattie, I think you have got the right end of the stick even without reading the whole thread

Cheerfulvicky, I'm sorry you had such a crap night, but I'm glad you sound stronger today...you sound bloody angry actually, and I don't blame you, I would be too. Keep hold of it and let it give you the energy to make a complaint if you can- that sort of "help" you can do without!

lessonlearned · 17/02/2009 12:54

Thanks for your reply, cheerful, and respect to you for coming to a conclusion on whether to give up on your DP or not. At least now you sound like your anger is released and I'm sure it will be a valuable motivator to carry through your decision.
Since you feel so strongly (along with other posters) that your counsellor has done you a diservice then I hope you follow it through with Relate and if you are not satisfied there, please contact the British Association of Counsellors with your complaint.
I am happy to defer to your judgement as you were the one experiencing the counselling. FWIW I will wonder how things might have turned out at your follow up sessions as I found mine an invaluable source of revalation (but not without pain and soulsearching), but I do know it's not for everyone.
I just want to also point out that I am not a practicing counsellor at the moment and do not have plans to return. My reason for this is that it is very hard work for not enough money - selfish, maybe, but I think it helped me to not only recover but also learn to value myself much more than I thought possible.
Good luck for the future.

BitOfFun · 17/02/2009 13:03

(LessonLearned- me too...mercenary bunch, aren't we? )

ilovemydogandMrObama · 17/02/2009 13:20

You did mention that you wanted the counsellor to point out to your DH that his behavior was unacceptable, but also want the counsellor to be objective....

In a sense, the approach has worked in that you are willing to speak to DH.

You don't have to like the counsellor, she isn't there to win any popularity contests, but it sounds as if you are more willing to take the bull by the horns...

Besides, it doesn't matter what a counsellor or anybody else's view of DH's behavior.

Yours is the only one that matters

lessonlearned · 17/02/2009 13:25

BoF, I keep telling men that these days they can't afford me !!!

dittany · 17/02/2009 14:11

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Tanee58 · 17/02/2009 14:39

Vicky hi, I only just found your thread. I was going to post on your previous one to ask how you were.

I haven't time (at work) to read through all the posts but I think you should follow your instincts on this one. I understand that good counsellors don't let clients leave in a state - they are supposed to give them something to hold onto, for the next time. It sounds to me as if you felt like the counsellor and DP were treating you like some recalcitrant child. I too found Relate not particularly helpful after the first couple of sessions - for different reasons. Our counsellor herself admitted that she was not best qualified to deal with our issues, and suggested DP sought individual therapy or counselling. He has not done so, mainly because his own previous experience many years ago, with counselling, was singularly unhelpful .

You are free to request a different counsellor if you decide to persevere with Relate, or you may need to seek a different kind of counselling to build your self-confidence. Take care and I'll check back on this thread later when I'm home .

Janos · 17/02/2009 18:42

cheerfulvicky

I saw your message today on my break, unfortunately didn't have time to post and really wanted to offer you some support.

I absolutelyt agree that you should trust your instincts on this one and not go back to your counsellor.

I completely understand what you are going through as I have suffered the same, I have been through counselling, mediation etc with my ex manipulating the situation (he is very intelligent) and convincing people that I was hysterical, unreasonable etc. At times you really do feel that you are going mad.

Good luck to you and I'm glad you have support from your Mum.

Swipe left for the next trending thread