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Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

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Right, listen up everybody.

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RealityIsMyOnlyValentine · 04/02/2009 08:00

I shall say this only once.

Actually, no I won't, I will keep repeating it until the message gets through.

Every person deserves to have a relationship where they are treated with respect, love and equality.

There is never an excuse for verbal, physical or financial abuse.

If you partner treats you like shit, it is their fault. It is not because of something you have done.

You can't change an abusive man by being 'better' or sticking by him where others haven't, or by changing yourself.

Most people have happy relationships, where disagreements happen and are resolved without resorting to shouting, name calling or violence or screwing someone else.

Most people's partners are happy for them to pursue their own friendships and interests, work and education, have access to money, make decisions.

Most people in a relationship stay faithful. They don't have affairs or cyber-sex or obsessively wank over porn day and night.

Don't be fooled into thinking that dysfunctional relationships are the norm. There are many of them on here, but then people don't tend to ask for advice on healthy relationships, so we hear less about them.

Relationships are not supposed to be hard work, that is a big fat myth. Yes, you should work at your relationship but that is not the same thing at all.

Nobody should live their life in fear of angering their partner, or skirting round issues that might upset him. Or put up with cheating and lying for fear of rocking the boat.

Nobody should 'stay together for the children', or because of your marriage vows. If your husband treats you badly, he has broken the vows. Children are much much happier being brought up by parents who live apart than in an atmosphere of fear and loathing.

Just because you've escaped a level 10 bastard, doesn't mean you should settle for the level 8 one that comes along. The only acceptable level of abuse is none.

Just because all your friends are in bad relationships, doesn't mean that you have to be.

I really want to debunk the myth that all men are bastards. They simply aren't. If you feel that all the men you meet are, it's because you are unconsciously sending out vibes to these men. They can spot a target a mile off.

Be on your own. It is much easier than sticking by a tosser. If you have been in more than one abusive relationship, seek some counselling, you may be co-dependant, or you may be modelling relationships on a warped template, perhaps from childhood.

If he abuses you, he is not a good father. Good fathers don't treat the mother of their children with disrespect.

It doesn't matter how much he says sorry and makes it up to you, if he continues to abuse you those apologies are worthless.

Don't be fooled into thinking the abuse isn't 'bad enough to leave'. If you are treated in any way less than cherished, loved and respected, it is bad enough to leave.

There is never a reason to stay with an abusive man. He won't kill himself if you leave him, he won't take your children, and yes, everybody will believe you.

I probably have loads more to say on the subject but I will leave it there for now.

Much love to everybody.

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Karatema · 14/12/2024 08:07

Thanks, whoever posted the link to this. Old or not, it resonates and has reminded me NOT to put up with my DH's horrible behaviour at this time of year!

Clarkys · 12/01/2025 04:05

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gettingbacktobeingmeagain · 11/04/2025 10:14

I posted on this thread a while back, and today I'm posting to say that after asking my XH for a "trial" separation, reading stuff by Lundy Bancroft and Debbie Mirza and doing the Freedom programme online, I am now divorced (happily) and me and the DC have just moved into our new home (even more happily).

I can scarcely believe that I feel as good as I do, it's been a long, long time since I felt this good - yesterday I was so happy I could have skipped, were it not for all the stress-related weight gain (that's the next project).

Set yourselves free from abusers ladies (and yes, gentlemen too), you deserve so much better and there is a happier life out here waiting for you💛

whatwaytoturn · 13/04/2025 18:50

Incredible how in the 15 years since this post was originally posted…and how much has changed in the world since then, the message still holds so much weight and relevance.

needed to read this today. OP if you are still on MN, Thankyou!

Jux · 13/04/2025 23:56

I have been lurking on MN since my dd was teeny-tiny; she's 25 now. I finally joined MN in -I think - 2005.

Imo this is the best post that has ever been put up on the site. I hope people continue to find it. I really hope that one it will no longer be needed.

RealityIsMyOnlyValentine · 15/04/2025 12:36

I am still here and the responses to this post move me to tears every time it pops up. 💛💛💛

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Fishergirl · 15/04/2025 13:36

@RealityIsMyOnlyValentine I have read your post many times over the past 7 months when I need a reality check. Every time I feel guilty at breaking up the family I read it. There are so many points that you make that resonate with me. I'm sure I'll still come back to it when my divorce is finalised.
Thank you. ❤️

whatwaytoturn · 15/04/2025 19:45

Petition to have this included in the national curriculum for all students

Rafal950 · 28/04/2025 00:40

🙄

mrsjxn · 01/06/2025 14:15

Totally agree especially with children as well

BlueRin5eBrigade · 17/06/2025 16:01

Oh @RealityIsMyOnlyValentine my heart hurts for you. You are the help. Your not family. You are only good enough for domestic servitude. You aren't important or a priority to them.

@RealityIsMyOnlyValentine you aren't even 40. You don't want to spend you life on the outside of his family looking in. Always the supporter but never supported or even included in the celebrations. WALK AWAY. You deserve to have a partner that sees you. Not for what you do for them and the value you add to their life but YOU. You deserve someone that is your supporter and who has your back. You deserve to be loved, valued, included, supported. To have someone who matches your care and priorities you. You have all the paper work so make an appointment to see a solicitor and get organised. You need to priorities you and fight for yourself and the future you. The next year will be hard but you've got the best year's of your life ahead.

HelpMeUnpickThis · 23/07/2025 18:12

@RealityIsMyOnlyValentine

Thank you. I really needed to read this today.

Didshejustsaythatoutloud · 11/08/2025 18:30

Errm, ok, thanks for this.

Kingsleadhat · 29/12/2025 15:41

Id ask him for the receipt so.that you can take them back , as you are not thinking of opening a L'Occitane museum any time soon. I specified last year no Body Shop.grapefruit stuff as I still had a load of it from the previous year, no gift sets and asked for a specific brand of bubble bath. DH got me a shit ton of body shop grapefruit including a gift set. And not the bubble bath I asked for. He didn't have the receipt so I told him I was donating it all. This year he really did listen especially as we're flat broke I asked him not to waste money on stuff I wouldn't use.

Beachtastic · 02/03/2026 18:32

RealityIsMyOnlyValentine · 15/04/2025 12:36

I am still here and the responses to this post move me to tears every time it pops up. 💛💛💛

In case you're still around, I just wanted to thank you for your original and follow-up posts on this thread. You've helped so many people see things more clearly for the best part of TWO DECADES now! 🤩

I have it bookmarked in my Chrome bar and often link to it in replies to posts. A masterpiece. 💗💗💗

Beachtastic · 02/03/2026 18:42

CatRach · 04/04/2021 22:53

Is this really true? Do others have relationships where you don’t shout and name call in disagreements?

I'm going to reply to this, because there was a time I struggled to believe it, too.

Yes. My second marriage is wonderful. In >12 years he has never even been irritated with me, much less raised his voice. He listens to everything I say and remembers it. I never need to ask for help, because he anticipates what I need. He makes me laugh from the minute I wake up to the minute he kisses me goodnight. Last but not least, he does all the cooking!

I know this sounds impossible, because my first marriage was quite the opposite. I stayed in that one for 18 years because I assumed that's what marriage looked like, and thought you just had to take the rough with the smooth.

If you are forever walking on eggshells, that's no way to live. And it's no good for the children, either (if there are any). My deeply ingrained beliefs about marriage being such hard work definitely stem from what I observed through childhood.

MuchTooTired · 20/03/2026 22:50

I don’t even know how I found this post because I didn’t click on it, but it has given me an awful lot of food for thought. Thank you 🧡

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