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Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

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Right, listen up everybody.

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RealityIsMyOnlyValentine · 04/02/2009 08:00

I shall say this only once.

Actually, no I won't, I will keep repeating it until the message gets through.

Every person deserves to have a relationship where they are treated with respect, love and equality.

There is never an excuse for verbal, physical or financial abuse.

If you partner treats you like shit, it is their fault. It is not because of something you have done.

You can't change an abusive man by being 'better' or sticking by him where others haven't, or by changing yourself.

Most people have happy relationships, where disagreements happen and are resolved without resorting to shouting, name calling or violence or screwing someone else.

Most people's partners are happy for them to pursue their own friendships and interests, work and education, have access to money, make decisions.

Most people in a relationship stay faithful. They don't have affairs or cyber-sex or obsessively wank over porn day and night.

Don't be fooled into thinking that dysfunctional relationships are the norm. There are many of them on here, but then people don't tend to ask for advice on healthy relationships, so we hear less about them.

Relationships are not supposed to be hard work, that is a big fat myth. Yes, you should work at your relationship but that is not the same thing at all.

Nobody should live their life in fear of angering their partner, or skirting round issues that might upset him. Or put up with cheating and lying for fear of rocking the boat.

Nobody should 'stay together for the children', or because of your marriage vows. If your husband treats you badly, he has broken the vows. Children are much much happier being brought up by parents who live apart than in an atmosphere of fear and loathing.

Just because you've escaped a level 10 bastard, doesn't mean you should settle for the level 8 one that comes along. The only acceptable level of abuse is none.

Just because all your friends are in bad relationships, doesn't mean that you have to be.

I really want to debunk the myth that all men are bastards. They simply aren't. If you feel that all the men you meet are, it's because you are unconsciously sending out vibes to these men. They can spot a target a mile off.

Be on your own. It is much easier than sticking by a tosser. If you have been in more than one abusive relationship, seek some counselling, you may be co-dependant, or you may be modelling relationships on a warped template, perhaps from childhood.

If he abuses you, he is not a good father. Good fathers don't treat the mother of their children with disrespect.

It doesn't matter how much he says sorry and makes it up to you, if he continues to abuse you those apologies are worthless.

Don't be fooled into thinking the abuse isn't 'bad enough to leave'. If you are treated in any way less than cherished, loved and respected, it is bad enough to leave.

There is never a reason to stay with an abusive man. He won't kill himself if you leave him, he won't take your children, and yes, everybody will believe you.

I probably have loads more to say on the subject but I will leave it there for now.

Much love to everybody.

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Alcemeg · 08/08/2021 21:31

@CatRach and @namechanged9999
Yes!

My DH has never even raised his voice with me, over almost a decade.

And I don't get into rages either. I used to think I was a terribly angry person but realise in retrospect that my first husband was a crazymaker!

Life can really be peaceful and safe and pleasant. If it's not, get out.

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Thisisworsethananticpated · 08/09/2021 20:52

Ah I like to re was this once in a while x

Kaza40s · 21/09/2021 12:33

I concur!! Very well said! Smile

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Why so many messages deleted my MNHQ?! How can you possibly have something bad to say about this postConfused

Meeyoutoo · 11/10/2021 21:17

Hi everyone… advice required to analyse my mixed up thought processing. My of just over 2 years has been taking tablets for anxiety due to some family matters that have affected him. Our sex life has diminished vastly (he used to be mad for it ) prior to meeting me I knew he frequented strip clubs and used escorts. As I say our sex life has diminished and I have asked him what’s going on. Cut to the chase I had had a gut feeling that’s something has been off, we’ve both been working from home, I’ve heard his lap top lid sliding rapidly when I’ve walked past his office , seen what looks like. Phone being slid in a drawer and recently found a sim free mobile with Adultwork on the browser history. I have also seen a folder on his ‘ other screen ‘ which he didn’t realise I could see the contents of named Adultwork. I have now asked home about both of these which he has not given me any explanation about and has just ignored me and denied having another mobile (until I told him where I found to ) he has just stropped off and said don’t do this to me , you know I’m struggling atm ! He’s still has not mentioned any of this to me to resolve or give me any reassurance

Chipsinthewoods · 13/10/2021 09:15

@Meeyoutoo

Hi everyone… advice required to analyse my mixed up thought processing. My of just over 2 years has been taking tablets for anxiety due to some family matters that have affected him. Our sex life has diminished vastly (he used to be mad for it ) prior to meeting me I knew he frequented strip clubs and used escorts. As I say our sex life has diminished and I have asked him what’s going on. Cut to the chase I had had a gut feeling that’s something has been off, we’ve both been working from home, I’ve heard his lap top lid sliding rapidly when I’ve walked past his office , seen what looks like. Phone being slid in a drawer and recently found a sim free mobile with Adultwork on the browser history. I have also seen a folder on his ‘ other screen ‘ which he didn’t realise I could see the contents of named Adultwork. I have now asked home about both of these which he has not given me any explanation about and has just ignored me and denied having another mobile (until I told him where I found to ) he has just stropped off and said don’t do this to me , you know I’m struggling atm ! He’s still has not mentioned any of this to me to resolve or give me any reassurance
You might have more luck posting a new thread in relationships. Sorry I have no good advice, but hope you’re ok.
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Nsky · 27/10/2021 21:49

Well said

Splogs4 · 02/12/2021 21:13

That’s good I read these pages and I was a strong educated woman now I have kids with disabilities I can’t go anywhere and he got me in a lot of debt. We have nothing but debt I used to hide from Baliffs in the kids room and make them be quiet, he pretends he is a good big businessman but we have nothing but debts he says I am fat he’s hates fat people hd called me fat c£mt. I have a lot of illness. He makes me feel I am mad. He didn’t let me finish degree said it’s a waste I need to Se him,
Los t our home
I am not allowed to work and he goes mad if house messy when he home

Smilermilo · 19/12/2021 01:39

Ladies am I being Unreasonable here? Honest opinions please x
My bf and I have been Rocky lately, in fact we’re rocky most of the time.
We haven’t spoken in 2weeks, he took off in a mood.
He suddenly popped back up on weds trying to be nice and said meet him for lunch. I went and had a quick lunch with him.
He then decided he wanted to come over to my place after work also, I agreed but was nervous about covid as things are really bad at the moment. He knows I take covid seriously as I have an extremely vulnerable father who I care for. I spent most of the lunch banging on about being careful with covid etc. As I’m spending Xmas with my family and wish to protect everyone. I’ve also cancelled many of my own plans these next few weeks in order to be careful. He knows this, I made it very clear. Admittedly probably got on his nerves with it.
Anyway when he came over I was a little nervous and made us both do a lateral flow test when he arrived. Bare in mind I haven’t seen or spoken to him in 2weeks so god knows where he’s been. I asked him where he’d been the last few weeks and when was the last time he was out/with people.
He told me Saturday.
Tonight he called me and said his mate has just tested positive and he was with this mate on Monday.. I told him you never told me you had seen him on Monday, That’s two days before you appeared at my door. I asked you Specifically when was the last time you were around people and you told me Saturday... Long story short he admitted he lied about seeing his mate on Monday..
I am fuming. I am in tears. I told him never to speak to me again and I mean it. We are barely together anymore anyway. All we do is argue anyway.
His reasoning is that he knew I would be upset and go mad about it if he told me, because I always overreact and he’s so he was worried to say anything...
I think it would be normal for anyone to react and be upset if he turned up at their door with no consideration of covid or any intention of telling me the truth when I asked. Because he said Saturday we co tinted with our night until the early hours. Am I wrong for being angry and flipping out?
He’s making me feel like it’s my fault he was scared to say. I admit I have been a bit strict with covid at the mo, just with it being so bad and me spending Xmas with my family. But surely that’s not an excuse to put me and my family in danger and bare face lie to my face? He is sick?
Honest opinions Ladies. Thanks xx

KiloWhat · 30/12/2021 23:09

Thank you OP

Peachy66 · 31/12/2021 12:51

This is so true.

Muddlewoo · 12/01/2022 11:08

My Mum constantly says they're all the same and there are no better men.

Are there? I mean really are there? people have different expectations. I'm always being told I expect too much by my mum too. And I'm 'lucky' because he's domesticated and does equal share of housework and childcare.

But I'm miserable, desperately lonely and feel like I've settled and drastically lowered what used to be high standards and self esteem... Doesn't everyone feel this way after a decade?

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Alcemeg · 21/01/2022 22:00

@Flowers111 I think you'd do better starting off a new thread in "Relationships"! 😊 Do that, and then if you like you could ask MN to remove this one (click on "Report" top R of your post). You should have better luck with your own thread.

Hopefully you've read the first post pinned at the top of this thread... so you must know that 30% crappy behaviour is not acceptable. And please, please, please, don't wait for the kids to grow up before taking action! You might not realise how much damage your ongoing misery is causing them. You all deserve a better life than this.

Flowers111 · 21/01/2022 22:04

Thanks yeah I know just tired and weary and no appetite to do anything to be honest. Where would he even go I’d have to arrange everything. Yes I’ll ask for it to be moved.

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SheilaFentiman · 10/04/2022 22:27

Bumping this rockstar thread

polliemath · 13/04/2022 02:31

No NC even tho I may be identified... I am standing by what I am about to write...

I wanted to say a massive Thankyou to those at MN including the OP of this magnificent thread. I remember reading the first post years ago when I was in an unhappy marriage - I had no realisation just how abusive and damaging it was until I read that post and couldn't say I had any of the positive things that were held up as normal and reasonably to be expected from a relationship. I was helped along
In my
Awakening by some amazing MNers to whom I will always be indebted. It's not been easy and there are
Plenty of inequalities in my situation that i rail against BUT I now have a new
Life, a
Home,
My children and a new partner who has shown me that all of those statements are true and achievable and that the feeling of care and love and belonging that you can have when in a healthy relationship are
So so different to being in a bad one. I sometimes have to pinch myself to check that these lovely secure emotions are real,even now four years into my 'new' partnership. Anyway, to those who are struggling I say go back and re read the OP and tHen get away from anybody who is
Making you unhappy. The good ones are out there and they are worth finding. Speech over. Xxx