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Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

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Right, listen up everybody.

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RealityIsMyOnlyValentine · 04/02/2009 08:00

I shall say this only once.

Actually, no I won't, I will keep repeating it until the message gets through.

Every person deserves to have a relationship where they are treated with respect, love and equality.

There is never an excuse for verbal, physical or financial abuse.

If you partner treats you like shit, it is their fault. It is not because of something you have done.

You can't change an abusive man by being 'better' or sticking by him where others haven't, or by changing yourself.

Most people have happy relationships, where disagreements happen and are resolved without resorting to shouting, name calling or violence or screwing someone else.

Most people's partners are happy for them to pursue their own friendships and interests, work and education, have access to money, make decisions.

Most people in a relationship stay faithful. They don't have affairs or cyber-sex or obsessively wank over porn day and night.

Don't be fooled into thinking that dysfunctional relationships are the norm. There are many of them on here, but then people don't tend to ask for advice on healthy relationships, so we hear less about them.

Relationships are not supposed to be hard work, that is a big fat myth. Yes, you should work at your relationship but that is not the same thing at all.

Nobody should live their life in fear of angering their partner, or skirting round issues that might upset him. Or put up with cheating and lying for fear of rocking the boat.

Nobody should 'stay together for the children', or because of your marriage vows. If your husband treats you badly, he has broken the vows. Children are much much happier being brought up by parents who live apart than in an atmosphere of fear and loathing.

Just because you've escaped a level 10 bastard, doesn't mean you should settle for the level 8 one that comes along. The only acceptable level of abuse is none.

Just because all your friends are in bad relationships, doesn't mean that you have to be.

I really want to debunk the myth that all men are bastards. They simply aren't. If you feel that all the men you meet are, it's because you are unconsciously sending out vibes to these men. They can spot a target a mile off.

Be on your own. It is much easier than sticking by a tosser. If you have been in more than one abusive relationship, seek some counselling, you may be co-dependant, or you may be modelling relationships on a warped template, perhaps from childhood.

If he abuses you, he is not a good father. Good fathers don't treat the mother of their children with disrespect.

It doesn't matter how much he says sorry and makes it up to you, if he continues to abuse you those apologies are worthless.

Don't be fooled into thinking the abuse isn't 'bad enough to leave'. If you are treated in any way less than cherished, loved and respected, it is bad enough to leave.

There is never a reason to stay with an abusive man. He won't kill himself if you leave him, he won't take your children, and yes, everybody will believe you.

I probably have loads more to say on the subject but I will leave it there for now.

Much love to everybody.

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Notsomellownow · 09/12/2019 07:53

Wow this sums it all up. What a great post. I bet it's helped so many people.

LianneCarter · 13/12/2019 21:49

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Mummy23kids · 15/12/2019 15:18

So my husband has been caught cheating several times, we have been trying to work at it because I love him, I want it to work and I want my family together (3 kids)
He is currently working away from home, which I asked him not to do but he went because the money was good. He was caught cheating (the night before we went on holiday) with someone where he works while I was pregnant. He said it was just about sex said he was sorry and I agreed to give it another go!
Things got better for a while and I felt really good about us. However it’s all gone downhill again, we had a massive argument when he was home because he wanted to go out and I wanted him to spend time with me and the kids, we hardly get to see him! He had agreed that this trip home would be all about us even though he really wanted to be out watching his football team. During the match it all changed he decided he wanted to go out and when I said I thought that was out of order he went in a huff and didn’t speak to me for a day! It came to a massive argument, I lost the plot I was so upset, I told him how it all makes me feel again, I told him how much we value his time home, I told him how much I worry when he’s out that he’s up to something! He said he’s fed out with the way I am when he goes out ( I always want to know where he is and when he’ll be home, I gone take if he’s not home when he said he wil he, I’ve told him I don’t want to be like this but I can’t help it) I asked him several times to go out and come home when he’s says to build trust and then maybe I won’t be so bad but every time he goes out he doesn’t come home till usually the next day or well into the small hours. Many times he’s out he’s with people I don’t know, people he’s not seen for years, it never seems to be with his friends that I know!
Last night he went out while Woking away, I asked him if he was out and I got a one word answer back the. No other contact till 5am when he told me he was in a guy from his works house waiting for a taxi, the taxi never came and he walked home, I was asking questions and he said he didn’t realise the house was so close, now i know he knows where the guy stays so I asked where he was he said in a guy from the pubs house, so it seemed the story had changed and he claims and he met a guy in the pub on Thursday night and they were chatting. He went out with his room mate who he works with, the room mate went home early but he stayed out with this guy he met, then went back to a party in his house with a crowd of people. I have went off my head, I don’t know if he’s telling the truth, I’ve told him he could have been with anyone and why is he going home to peoples houses he’s just met. He doesn’t see the big deal! Says he’s done nothing but I can’t believe it. Plus i said he’s left me in a situation of doubt and why would he do that after all he’s put me through! He said he didn’t think but I feel if he’s wanting to make things better then surly he should be considering this! He knew fine well I’d be worrying about where he was. He says he’ll prove where he was and who he was with but I don’t think he will!
I don’t know what to do, I love him so much but I feel I get nothing back!

fluffysocksgoodbookwine · 17/12/2019 20:43

Hi @Mummy23kids, this is an old thread (although a very good one!), there'll be plenty of good advice for you here, but you need to start your own thread. Click on 'Start new thread in this topic' at the top of the page, then copy and paste your post above into your own thread.

My two pennorth - he's being very disrespectful towards you, but you can't change his/anyone else's behaviour. You've told him how this makes you feel and he still chooses to continue his disrespectful behaviour, so this means he doesn't respect you. Also, a relationship where you feel you have to check up on him means the trust has gone on your side.
Relationships need Love, trust and respect to work, love alone is not enough. You can only change your own behaviour. So either you stay and accept this is how he is (which I don't recommend as it will chip away at your confidence and self-esteem), or you leave.
Best of luck.

Tiredwiff · 25/12/2019 06:43

I needed this

Thank you

Thumper77 · 27/12/2019 09:50

Need advice please. I met a nice guy earlier this year I'm very much like him I believe he feels the same for me. I very rarely see him anymore. When I do he's he's v busy working in the care profession. He tock time out to talk to me a few times. When I do see him he's never on his own. I'd just like to get him on his own. What I'm asking is how do I get to ask him out when he's never alone. Any ideas.

Tiredwiff · 27/12/2019 21:01

Maybe you could ask for his number.. or email? Don't add to social media just yet

Stillsexystillsingle · 02/01/2020 17:34

As a DV survivor I want to say a massive thank you to everyone who has supported and continues to support this thread Smile just to add as well that in mid life I have come to the conclusion that its sadly actually the majority and not the minority of men who are abusive towards women in their relationships and it's our society that's at fault and this isn't going to change in our lifetimes, but that doesn't mean we should put up with it, the only way to bring about change is for more of us to speak up and to practice zero tolerance of any kind of abuse, the number of men prepared to control, dominate,gaslight, lie, cheat and otherwise disseminate to get their needs met with no regard whatsoever for the emotional well-being of the women in their lives is truly staggering and this is what needs to change and will only change through more women refusing to accept anything less than complete adoration and respect from their men!

Acuppaplease · 07/01/2020 18:00

I was married for a long time to someone I thought was good. He didn’t respect me, I thought he did, he didn’t cherish me. He shouted at me every day and I put up with it. He put himself before me and my children.

NOw I’m with an awesome new man who worships the ground I walk on, and can’t do enough for me, and my children.

Yes, I know the difference.

Stillsexystillsingle · 07/01/2020 22:27

I was so thrilled to meet my first husband he was so attractive, good looking, intelligent, funny.. but twenty something year old me didn't spot he was also a narcissist, having never met one before. But I certainly won't be marrying another one, that's for sure!

surfinggalaxies · 11/01/2020 16:45

True.

Thumper77 · 11/01/2020 17:24

Hunnybun1981 very true. Some women can be very physically psychologically sexual abusive aswell.

Thumper77 · 11/01/2020 17:25

Tiredwiff thanks for the advice

TheMustressMhor · 04/02/2020 00:22

Just bookmarking this excellent thread.

It reminds me of what I went through and how I survived.

mstrotwood · 20/06/2020 20:49

bumping this,

why is it not stuck at the top as it used to be ?

carreterra · 12/08/2020 18:25

Well said, Reality Mumsnet should move this thread to Classics, as it's a guide for life. Star

screamingchild · 17/08/2020 17:21

I needed to read this, thank you xx

Separatedat41 · 21/08/2020 05:46

This is a good OP. It’s 20 years too late for me but better late than never I suppose!

Mel328 · 30/08/2020 08:02

So bloody true
I got out three months ago from a verbal abuser.
We spoke on the phone recently to discuss him still needing to collect some belongings and my GOD the way he spoke to me, just like when we was together. However, this time, I could clearly see how bloody horrible he was and spoke down to me. It felt amazing to just be able to say "THANK GOD I DONT HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT ANYMORE"

CocoBryceDidAcidWithMe · 07/09/2020 01:29

FlowersSmile

krkw · 11/09/2020 14:17

"Mostpeople have happy relationships, where disagreements happen and are resolved without resorting to shouting, name calling or violence or screwing someone else"

This is something I honestly struggle to believe. My confidance is shot enough to honestly believe I dont deserve or will ever get anything but this. Why would a healthy guy want am unhealthy woman and how could I have a healthy relationship when I'm broke? I have tried for a year to fix myself and I can understand why things happened and who was in the wrong but I still feel the same about myself.

pyramidhead · 16/09/2020 12:01

Thank you. I needed to hear this. My ex showed me zero respect along with past abuse etc. Drug addiction.
I have been putting up with it for years and am finally seeing him for what he is.
And trying to recognize my own issues for continuing to let him back into my life, when he doesn't even want to be really.

JaffaCake70 · 24/09/2020 17:38

@RealityIsMyOnlyValentine I stumbled across your post whilst trying to make myself feel better post break up. I loved one of your quotes so much that I made this meme. I hope that's ok, the words are everything to me! Thank you for a truly wonderful post!

Right, listen up everybody.
Newtothis5643 · 25/09/2020 21:35

Very true!! It’s sad that they all start out like this and it’s when you are in too deep that you realise!! It’s good to remind ourselves of this though I agree!! I just wonder where they all are!! Haha!

Mamabear1990 · 27/09/2020 13:57

I agree, speaking as someone who's been in a physical and emotional abusive relationship with a psychopath years ago. I've done counselling and group therapy and I have healed xx

But people should ask questions first and listen to the poster instead of jumping the gun telling someone to leave their partner or family. I see that all the time on here.

It happened to me and it messed my head up,nearly making me leave my relationship. My partner was going through an unbelievably awful time - close friend dying, father abandonment issues, addictions, depression, unemployment from covid. Now, things are unrecognisably different - so people shouldn't be so quick to say "OMG HE'S TOXIC, LEAVE HIM". Yes, there are dangerous men and women out there but ask more first to clarify this. You never know if you could be made out to be abusive by something you've done when you've not been in a good place.

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