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Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

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Right, listen up everybody.

867 replies

RealityIsMyOnlyValentine · 04/02/2009 08:00

I shall say this only once.

Actually, no I won't, I will keep repeating it until the message gets through.

Every person deserves to have a relationship where they are treated with respect, love and equality.

There is never an excuse for verbal, physical or financial abuse.

If you partner treats you like shit, it is their fault. It is not because of something you have done.

You can't change an abusive man by being 'better' or sticking by him where others haven't, or by changing yourself.

Most people have happy relationships, where disagreements happen and are resolved without resorting to shouting, name calling or violence or screwing someone else.

Most people's partners are happy for them to pursue their own friendships and interests, work and education, have access to money, make decisions.

Most people in a relationship stay faithful. They don't have affairs or cyber-sex or obsessively wank over porn day and night.

Don't be fooled into thinking that dysfunctional relationships are the norm. There are many of them on here, but then people don't tend to ask for advice on healthy relationships, so we hear less about them.

Relationships are not supposed to be hard work, that is a big fat myth. Yes, you should work at your relationship but that is not the same thing at all.

Nobody should live their life in fear of angering their partner, or skirting round issues that might upset him. Or put up with cheating and lying for fear of rocking the boat.

Nobody should 'stay together for the children', or because of your marriage vows. If your husband treats you badly, he has broken the vows. Children are much much happier being brought up by parents who live apart than in an atmosphere of fear and loathing.

Just because you've escaped a level 10 bastard, doesn't mean you should settle for the level 8 one that comes along. The only acceptable level of abuse is none.

Just because all your friends are in bad relationships, doesn't mean that you have to be.

I really want to debunk the myth that all men are bastards. They simply aren't. If you feel that all the men you meet are, it's because you are unconsciously sending out vibes to these men. They can spot a target a mile off.

Be on your own. It is much easier than sticking by a tosser. If you have been in more than one abusive relationship, seek some counselling, you may be co-dependant, or you may be modelling relationships on a warped template, perhaps from childhood.

If he abuses you, he is not a good father. Good fathers don't treat the mother of their children with disrespect.

It doesn't matter how much he says sorry and makes it up to you, if he continues to abuse you those apologies are worthless.

Don't be fooled into thinking the abuse isn't 'bad enough to leave'. If you are treated in any way less than cherished, loved and respected, it is bad enough to leave.

There is never a reason to stay with an abusive man. He won't kill himself if you leave him, he won't take your children, and yes, everybody will believe you.

I probably have loads more to say on the subject but I will leave it there for now.

Much love to everybody.

OP posts:
SadBut · 12/01/2023 21:02

Placemarking
I've got a feeling i need this thread Sad

Pocketfullofdogtreats · 12/01/2023 21:17

SadBut · 12/01/2023 21:02

Placemarking
I've got a feeling i need this thread Sad

Be strong! Get a friend to help you, if you need a bit of confidence-boosting or practical help. Best wishes.

This is a terrific OP.

balconylife · 15/04/2023 09:40

Bump for this brilliant and wise original post. Thank you @RealityIsMyOnlyValentine

PringPring · 27/12/2023 23:15

BUMPING this legendary thread to the top of relationships and active conversations again.

The vast amount of threads of mums netters in awful relationships is saddening. You all deserve so much better.

Pretying · 28/12/2023 02:10

It should be permanently pinned at the top of the mumsnet relationship board.

polliemath · 28/12/2023 05:11

It saved me, certainly.

daisychain01 · 28/12/2023 14:58

It used to be pinned at the top, @Pretying but I think the recent site redesign may have unhooked it from prime position.

itsmylife7 · 28/12/2023 16:03

I was thinking about this amazing post the other day.
Didn't it used to be pinned at the TOP of relationships ?

itsmylife7 · 28/12/2023 16:04

RowanMumsnet · 30/12/2014 09:58

In the light of the widespread love for the opening post, and the fact that it's now nearly six (!) years old and we still get requests to sticky it... we've done so.

This is probably a one-off so please don't be offended if we don't sticky other useful/lovely threads Grin

can it be done again please.

Firefly2009 · 07/01/2024 20:46

I am bumping this post. It’s brilliant.

Jux · 11/01/2024 15:24

So happy to see this in Active again.

Jux · 11/01/2024 15:35

I have also reported this thread with this message

"I ws wondering if it was possible to remove the limit on number of posts just for this thread.

I think it would be great if it were allowed to just go on, as it is as relevant today as it ever was, and I think it's extremely help for people to see many others in their same situation, as well as yhe replies offerning help and support.

Maybe put a note at the top that they will get advice and support that is more individually relevant to their personal situation if they start their own thread with a link to the Relations board too."

It might be worth others doing the same if they agree.

Firefly2009 · 11/01/2024 15:56

I have asked MNHQ to at least make the link to this thread far more obvious in the Relationships topic. It would be great if people read this before starting a thread, at the very least.

Ohyeahwaitaminute · 07/02/2024 07:17

Another bump.

A Gold Star to @RealityIsMyOnlyValentine for one of the best posts on the Relationships board.

I agree… it needs pinning somewhere permanent.

FleaDog · 10/02/2024 23:02

Bumping... @MNHQ can't this get repinned to top of relationships board?

Ewoklady · 29/02/2024 20:41

I hope it’s ok to reach out. My dm has a history of not being well (depression etc) can be controlling and manipulative and nasty. Over the years we have fallen out for a few weeks at at time. I usually don’t say anything but quietly pull away. At Christmas my dm told me not to call over but I did because it would make trouble and fall into her trap if we didnt, then she said my brother had to go to bed as it was upsetting for him as he is separated and seeing me with my kids was sad for him. You get the picture. I sent photos and text and she didn’t respond so I just backed off and said nothing. No row. As it happened my mil passed away and my parents arrived to the funeral and didn’t shake hands with me but gave me dirty looks and then staked out as the graveside and asked dh to see the grandchildren literally two min after burying his father. Where do I go from here? The filthy looks were so awful on a day I needed support.

TooManyCheesecakeCalories · 01/03/2024 13:43

@Ewoklady
I would start a brand new thread on the relationships board, link below, you are more likely to get responses than when posting on an older one. Fwiw your parents sound awful. In your shoes it might be better for your health if you just went NC and left them to it, nobody needs upset like that in their life. Flowers
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LipstickedPowderedAndPainted · 17/07/2024 23:19

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Whilst so many of us know, I feel so many so need to be aware that abuse exists in so many subtle forms. It's not always the stereotypical bumps and bruises. Mental forms can be equal or worse, but harder to see. These people are just as worthy of support as those with cuts and broken bones. We need to recognise ourselves as victims and for others to recognise these individuals as victims too. Sadly it doesn't always happen.

NotReallySure · 18/07/2024 10:08

I've seen this post before but actually really needed to read this today. I'm missing their kids (away with their dad) and going around in circles over the shit my ex got away with (and continues to get away with). How "under the radar" abuse means no justice for me, and how guilty I feel by leaving and subjecting my kids to this life. I can't get my head around how he has them half the time despite everything. And how they must feel rejected by me as all they know if "mum left dad, dad didn't want this". Just good to remind myself they are better off, I am safe and sound much happier. Just wish the bastard would get some come back for his behaviour and leave me alone to get on with my life.

NoisyDenimShaker · 20/11/2024 16:44

Hi Spiky! I’m so sorry that you’re headed for divorce, but I really think you’re doing the right thing. Who on earth needs a life partner who isn’t a partner to you? Who is only there for the kids and who is quite content to deny you the chance to find someone who is genuine in their feelings towards you? That’s not a partner. That’s not someone who has your best interests at heart. Being tied to someone who doesn’t really love you would be bad for you in a myriad of large and small ways. As difficult as it will be to divorce, you will be living an authentic and truthful life with lots of possibilities for a better life than you have now. The road before you will be open with possibility.

I’m so indignant that your H thinks it’s OK deny you any chance of being with someone who DOES actually want you. Content to make you misspend your youth with him, while he wastes your time and then - in all likelihood - finishes with you when the kids are older. All in service to himself, because staying means he gets to live with his kids full-time and has to pay you less. Grrr…I’m so glad you’re not going to let him take away any more of your years and trap you into a marriage of convenience.

PeggyMitchellsCameo · 20/11/2024 17:13

Well that OP was a breath of fresh air today!

itsmylife7 · 05/12/2024 21:36

I remember this when it was originally posted

Such a powerful message.

I hope its read and
re read many times.

TipsyJoker · 12/12/2024 15:04

hunnybun1981 · 04/02/2009 09:10

also just to say ladies please dont forget about the relationships were the woman is the abusive one

alot of men are sufferers as well and i think that should be remembered also.

Yes but on a post about men NOT highjacking a post about women. That happens far too often. And women are abused by men at a far, far greater rate and murdered at a far higher rate by current of ex partners. Also, isn’t this mumsnet? Isn’t this meant to be a space for WOMEN? We’re not talking about men as the victims here. We’re talking about women. If you want to post about men, go ahead. Don’t derail this extremely important post about women and make it, once again, about men.

TipsyJoker · 12/12/2024 15:16

I just realised this thread is really old! Wow!