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FAB & GLAM PART 9 - DOES IT GET BETTER NOW!!

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macdoodle · 22/01/2009 01:24

Started new thread guys as needed to post and old one wouldnt let me - sorry if name is bit miserable but thats how am feeling !

The police have just left
It all went tits up tonight - H found out/suspected about NM and lost it completely - was physically abusive and took my phone - best friend called the police!
Has been a hell of a night - long statement - excellent police man - who says should have called them a long time ago - gonna get the domestic violence team to ring me tomorrow - he will be arrested and probably cautioned - he seems really worried it will escalate - has put a marker on the phone for an immediate response, has adviced me to change the locks and go away for a bit if I can, and they will look at putting an alarm in the house
There is still a part of me that feels I am over reacting/is all my fault - even though an experienced police oficer is not happy about the situation!
What a mess my life has turned into

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WilyWombat · 28/02/2009 13:17

Baffy - I agree totally with what t'other F & Gs have said plus it is totally wrong of your H to even think about introducing these children until the results of a test prove they are siblings. My son was anxious enough about having a sibling anyway without adding to it the complexities of a random nutwoman being the other childs mother. Feel free to do what YOU think is right for YOU and DS, dont worry about being reasonable (you have been far more resonable than most of us would have been aready)

But please also do not be surprised if hubby goes behind your back and does it anyway, after all he has form here doesnt he, at putting what they want over you and DS, he just doesnt seem to be able to stand up to her does he.

HappyWoman · 28/02/2009 18:01

what happened baffy - i agree with WW i think he will do what he damm well pleases anyway. He would just rather have your approval so as not to give him a hard time - poor lamb. And he is playing on your lovey nature to pass the sorting his problems (again) back to you.

Hope you have managed to back off and let him do his own thing anyway.

None of this will stop unless and until he is willing to COMPLETLY walk away.

FWIW i think he is still playing you both, and not getting too hard a time from either of you,

You may like to think she is doing to get at you (as i am sure h has told you) but maybe she too wants to see him and have a realationship with him, h could be telling all sorts about you too.

Let us know though and let us help you get through this.

Baffy · 02/03/2009 10:51

Ginny what a nightmare. I hate it when people use children?s arguments or fights as a reason to cause rifts between adults. Surely the definition of an ?adult? is that we should be able to see the behaviour for what it is and find a way of dealing with it.
She clearly just wanted an excuse. And I know it?s really sad for all of you, especially the family gatherings, and for your Mum, but people like her can?t be reasoned with can they. Good on you for telling it like it is!

WW nice to see you, how are you?

Thanks everyone, I really appreciate the support.

He didn?t take ds (I believe this resulted in an almighty row with OW where she declared she is ?so sick of being let down by him? that she wants nothing more to do with him )
Could that be because it was then the weekend so her NM and parents would have been off work and around to help her! I?m sure that won?t last for the rest of today, let alone this week.

But anyway, it?s the absolute first time he has ever said no to her. And the baby is what, a couple of weeks old, and she has called randomly many times already and he has not once failed to go round and help. This really was the first time.

Anyway, he decided not to go as although I?d said it was ok for ds, he knew deep down it wasn?t ok and given everything I have going on right now (he?s seen me in tears more than once this week, but I won?t bore you all with it all) he decided he wasn?t going to do it.

Regardless of that however, I did let him have it! I started off quite calm, just explaining that ds and I are coming first now, I want nothing more to do with OW or the child and he is to keep that part of his life separate etc. But I have to say, I did end up in tears, ranting a raving about the fact that I?m sick to f* ing death of our lives revolving around this teenage slapper and it stops now.

Actually, 3 days on, I?m still just as angry about it and I?m glad I had my say.

He was fairly quiet really. Shell shocked perhaps. And said that he would no longer discuss anything about OW to me, and would never bring me into any of it again. Including the fact that if he is with ds, then ds comes first and OW will have to wait until he?s free.
I made it really clear that ds is not to see OW or the baby until I say so, and I swear if I find out he has gone against my wishes it will be the last thing he ever does!!
We?ll see?

I said it was pathetic that we were going through all this and we still don?t know if she?s his baby.
He said something about her saying paternity tests are expensive ? does anyone know anything about them? How you go about getting them done and whether they are expensive?

Also, OW said she?d decided that although she wants the maintenance payments and H at her beck and call, she doesn?t want him having a say in anything to do with the baby?s upbringing. So she has not named him on the birth certificate!

It?s just all one big soap opera. It?s a bloody joke.

Anyway, I also made it clear that if any of this is to work, he needs to agree set times with his children. That he sticks to. And that removes all of this crap about him trying to divide his time between ds and his demanding nut job ex. He?s created these two separate lives, so he needs to find a way of managing his time so that he can see his children and have some boundaries so that everyone knows where they stand.

I could go on forever. He?s saying he?ll sort the paternity test, sort out set access times, and keep me out of it. I?ll believe it all when I see it.

Best I can do for now is keep myself and ds as far out of the situation as possible. Before I explode. I?m not sure if I want to scream and shout, or just collapse and hide away forever right now. I don?t think I?ve ever felt so low in my life.

Like it or not, if this is a sister to my boys then I guess they are in our lives forever and I have to find a way of dealing with it.

Baffy · 02/03/2009 10:52

(sorry for the late update btw, still no PC at home)

Baffy · 02/03/2009 10:53

last thing, LL how are you?

and lily, is dd better? did you get to the meet up?

ginnny · 02/03/2009 12:51

Well that's a step in the right diretion Baffy, that he said No to her for once. Long may it last. I don't know how expensive paternity tests are, but isn't it worth the money to find out - it will cost him a lot more in maintenance over the years so he should at least know that the child he's paying for is actually his (maybe they should go on Jeremy Kile and get a free one!!!)
Keep your chin up - hope he does keep to his word this time.
Sugar - how's it going? Hope it went OK at the police station on Friday.
LL - hope you are OK and lo is still thriving.
I'm feeling better about everything now, had a great weekend and today the sun is shining and I'm cleaning the house!!
Hi to everyone - hope you are all well.
x

Tanee58 · 02/03/2009 14:58

Baffy, well done you for laying it on the line. There's plenty of time for the children to meet when they're older and when it's certain that they are siblings.

LOL at going on Jeremy Kyle - I occasionally look at it before leaving for work and blench at the lowlifes on it. I suspect the OW would qualify to be one of them!

Ginnny, glad you're feeling more positive. It really is amazing what a bit of Spring sunshine can do. I feel better just for seeing the daffodils coming through.

I had a lovely birthday on Thursday - DP & I went to York - very cold but as attractive as I remember it from 25 years ago. Sadly, also more commercialised but hey ho, that's tourism for you. DP is back to his normal loveable self & gave me some lovely pressies (new DVD recorder that neither of us can understand to operate). We have booked ourselves a week in Seville which I think will do us both a power of good. I have also reconfigured our spare room to look better since acquiring a nice Art Nouveau dressing table from my sister. Last night I sat on the bed and thought that next time DP has an episode I shall be VERY happy to move into the spare room as it's far more tidy than ours.

ladylush · 02/03/2009 15:08

Baffy - good for you. I think you did the right thing venting at h like that. He needs to know how you feel. Being calm and reasonable is not getting you anywhere unfortunately. I don't know how much paternity tests are but h should sort it out himself rather than relying on Miss Loose Knickers to arrange it. She's quite happy to take maintenance money but doesn't want paternity tested. He should want to know for sure that he is the father before paying maintenance. Tbh she sounds like the type of woman you see on Jeremy Kyle. Also, before anyone slates me for being sexist........h is not any better for getting involved with someone like her. You are quite right to point out that he created two separate lives and so he should continue to manage them separately. I'm glad he didn't take ds. Good
Sugar - how are things?
I've got my nuchal next Monday. Feeling nervous about what they'll find. Keep imagining not so nice things.........trying to stay positive though.

Dior · 02/03/2009 18:43

She hasn't named him on the certificate? So, he shouldn't pay maintenance until it has been proved to be his child IMO.

HappyWoman · 03/03/2009 07:43

well done baffy - and you know even if the children are siblings YOU dont have to have them in your life you know.

My h had a very difficult relationship with his dad and although he had half siblings he did not have them in his life. Being related does not mean you have to have them in your life.

If h gets a test of his own then at least he can make his own mind up.

Sorry if this sounds harsh but he isnt exactly making a huge effort to get the test done is he? And i do wonder if he still wants to have some contact - she does still seem to have a hold on him doesnt she? Her refusal of the name on the birth cert and at not doing a test indicates that there is a fair chance she is not his - so why on earth does he not prove it once and for all. If she is his then he can DEMAND to have contact but until then it is all up to her manipulitive mind what happens.

Anyway Baffy i think you need to have a good rant and rave and the crying - dont worry it wont last for ever but for now you need to let it out. One day you WILL wake up and think 'i have finished crying now' and i am bored with it and then you will be able to move on more forcefully.
Dont be harsh on yourself - you are doing this all alone - if h wanted to help he could by arranging that test for one - but as usual he will wait for you to ask for it. I wish i could come and give you all the support you need but you are so much stronger than you think and soon you will be able to see that.

Take care of yourself and keep posting when you can.

Happy birthday Tanee - so we are now overdue for our meet up.

Good luck lush with your nucal - are you having the blood test too - combined they are very acurate so try not to worry too much and just enjoy.

Baffy · 03/03/2009 08:55

Thank you

I feel a million times better already for getting everything out.

Dior, totally agree.

How is everyone else doing?

Anyone heard from sugar?

ladylush · 03/03/2009 09:41

Ooh Tanee - sorry I forgot your bday. Hope you had a good one See - told you I'd forget - that's why I wished you a happy birthday 2 weeks in advance

macdoodle · 03/03/2009 18:52

Baffy it is neither expensive or complicated to get a paternity test - I think neither of them really want to know in case she isnt his (actually I never had this problem, I had no doubt she was his, she was so obsessed with thim she wouldnt sleep with anyone else)- look at these links maybe forward them to H but leave it up to him!

www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/1017.aspx?CategoryID=61&SubCategoryID=61
www.nimblediagnostics.co.uk/pathome_uk.htm?kw=paternity%20tests&fl=299379&ci=1738045296&network=s&gc lid=CKa72e-2h5kCFQ00QwodbhPimA

NM here tomorrow am so looking forward to seeing him, but dreading what STBXH will do this time

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macdoodle · 03/03/2009 18:53

LL good luck for Nuchal, I had one and it was very reassuring

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Baffy · 04/03/2009 09:17

Thanks macd

tbh I have no doubt in my own mind that it's H's, she had her dates perfect and even if she was sleeping around it was H's baby she wanted. But knowing she was sleeping around, just adds that element of doubt, and even though it's tiny, it's enough to question everything.

Enjoy your time with NM

HappyWoman · 04/03/2009 09:22

but baffy it is so easy to completly take that doubt away and for h to get himself on the birth cert too by taking a test.
There is a reason they wont do it and i think it is because there is a bigger element of doubt and by doing it there is a chance that h is not the father and then he will have no 'excuse' to still be in her life. Why is he not willing to do the test - and why is she still playing games? If it is his he should be on the birth cert and pay maintanence - but if not then IF he wants her out of his life then he can.

Sorry to be so cynical but they are still playing games. At least by doing the test that game will be over and you can all then move on from it.

Hope you are still feeling stronger though.

WilyWombat · 04/03/2009 10:35

I agree with everyone else the excuse that a test is expensive just doesnt hold water either...what is financially cheaper doing a test for £200-300 or supporting a child which may not be yours for the rest of its life which runs into thousands?

He needs to know for sure too - if its in black and white in writing he and the child are on a more secure footing in their realtionship, if he is not the father he doesnt need to continue that relationship (unless he wants to)

We all know how unstable she is there is nothing to stop her telling the child 10 years down the line "hes not your father" (much as it may seem incomprehensible to us that someone would do that to their child it does happen)

Please make sure they use someone reputable though and not just some random internet company.

I do think they are still playing their f*cked up games though...some people live their entire lives like this.

WilyWombat · 04/03/2009 10:39

Baffy some of these f*cked up girls sleep with more than one man on the same day, they are so needy they see it as a power trip and she doesnt strike as the kind of girl who would insist on a condom.

Whether the child is his or not it doesnt change how H has treated you...but long term it does affect the impact madam can have on your childs lives.

Lilyloo · 04/03/2009 13:28

Tannee glad to hear you had a good birthday , sounds lovely

LL good luck for the nuchal scan hope everything is ok. Are you getting lot's of rest ??

Sugar how are things ??

Baffy glad you feel better for getting things out. Up to him now i guess but think the test would at least help you get your head around things.

I actually find it funny that she is still thinking it is all about her calling the shots. Funnily enough it will be about 'her daughter' now and not her wonder how she will cope with that ?
Doubt she will be able to put her baby first as you have tbh! If that doesn't make h see her for what she is....

Yeah she better thanks but had her mmr this morning so who knows what the rest of the day will bring.
Managed the meet up too. We went to Coventry which seemed pretty central for most of us about couple of hours from London and me 'up North'! It was good.

McD hope you have good day with nm Great he not taking any of his nonsense on board!

Tanee58 · 04/03/2009 17:20

Thanks for the belated greetings girls. I am about to have birthday drinks at work, so the birthday continues....

ladylush · 04/03/2009 19:37

Good for you Tanee - enjoy

Baffy - hope h gets the test done soon. Even though you are sure she is his, at least you will know for sure and there won't be that nagging voice saying "but what if....".

Macdoodle - Thanks I am having the triple test on Friday and the Nuchal on Monday. I've heard that subchorionic haematomas can give false positives re the blood tests but I will ask about this when I see the midwife on Friday. Still worried about the scan. That won't change until either the bleeding stops or I see a wriggling baby on the monitor.

Tanee58 · 05/03/2009 10:31

LL, good luck for the tests.

I tried to be good last night, but the pub were doing a free wine tasting to help select their winelist of the summer months, and those tiny cups of wine were soooo good, I had to try them all and no spitoon handy.

So I am retiring back to bed now to sleep it off ...

HappyWoman · 05/03/2009 16:07

oh tanee and by the end of it you cant actually tell (or care) what wine you are drinking. Been there done that (can you tell).

Anywy hope they did choose some nice wines for the summer - makes me feel warm just typing it actually.

Tanee58 · 05/03/2009 22:53

!

Had a very lazy day today - very self-indulgent! But you're right, I can't remember details of any of the wines. One was a nice Crianza Rioja - DP asked me which bodega it was from, and I said who knows - but it tasted great!

Baffy · 06/03/2009 15:48

Tanee Even at the hangover!

LL good luck for the tests. Let us know how they go.

Lilyloo you're so spot on. I think she'll find it 100% impossible to put anyone, even her own daughter, ahead of herself.
I've taken a massive step away from it all this week as it was just killing me. And H has kept to his word of not discussing it with me or dragging me into it. And he planned a really special day out for just him and ds today

I hope they sort the test soon too. Just so we all do know for sure.
Although having said that, it's complex, but the way I've structured our finances right now means that I have complete control at the moment of all the accounts, and H actually can't pay any maintenance without my approval to get the cash. (He could pay it out of the money he has to live on, but then he couldn't pay the rent!) And I'm not giving any sort of approval until I see the proof of the test. So over to them.
(And in some respects, they can mess about and stall all they like now. Because I'm in no hurry for this arrangement to change!)

I have my best friend (who's also pregnant) coming round tonight for a take-away and catch up so really looking forward to the weekend

I also had an amazing dream last night where I held my new baby boy for the first time. And it was fantastic. Woke up this morning feeling like I can't wait to meet him

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