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I've just received a text from MIL which I think was meant for DH and it has upset me. PART TWO

528 replies

Thishasupsetme · 07/11/2008 18:23

Hi all, new thread so I can update

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ALMummy · 08/11/2008 09:27

Maybe given to MIL to pass on?

AttilaTheMeerkat · 08/11/2008 09:28

Thum

Your H has some hard lessons to learn here; I am wondering if the scales are beginning to fall from his eyes re his Mother.

Once you get going, most toxic parents will counterattack. After all, if they had the capacity to listen, to hear, to be reasonable, to respect you feelings, and to promote your independence, they wouldn't be toxic parents. They will probably perceive your words as treacherous personal assaults. They will tend to fall back on the same tactics and defenses that they have always used, only more so.

Remember, the important thing is not their reaction but your response. If you can stand fast in the face of your parents' fury, accusations, threats and guilt-peddling, you will experience your finest hour.

Here are some typical parental reactions to confrontation:

"It never happened". Parents who have used denial to avoid their own feelings of inadequacy or anxiety will undoubtedly us it during confrontation to promote their version of reality. They'll insist that your allegations never happened, or that you're exaggerating. They won't remember, or they will accuse you of lying.

YOUR RESPONSE: Just because you don't remember, doesn't mean it didn't happen".

"It was your fault." Toxic parents are almost never willing to accept responsibility for their destructive behavior. Instead, they will blame you. They will say that you were bad, or that you were difficult. They will claim that they did the best that they could but that you always created problems for them. They will say that you drove them crazy. They will offer as proof the fact that everybody in the family knew what a problem you were. They will offer up a laundry list of your alleged offenses against them.

YOUR RESPONSE: "You can keep trying to make this my fault, but I'm not going to accept the responsibility for what you did to me when I was a child".

"I said I was sorry what more do you want?" Some parents may acknowledge a few of the things that you say but be unwilling to do anything about it.

YOUR RESPONSE: "I appreciate your apology, but that is just a beginning. If you're truly sorry, you'll work through this with me to make a better relationship."

"We did the best we could." Some parents will remind you of how tough they had it while you were growing up and how hard they struggled. They will say such things as "You'll never understand what I was going through," or "I did the best I could". This particular style of response will often stir up a lot of sympathy and compassion for your parents. This is understandable, but it makes it difficult for you to remain focused on what you need to say in your confrontation. The temptation is for you once again to put their needs ahead of your own. It is important that you be able to acknowledge their difficulties without invalidating your own.

YOUR RESPONSE: "I understand that you had a hard time, and I'm sure that you didn't hurt me on purpose, but I need you to understand that the way you dealt with your problems really did hurt me"

"Look what we did for you." Many parents will attempt to counter your assertions by recalling the wonderful times you had as a child and the loving moments you and they shared. By focusing on the good things, they can avoid looking at the darker side of their behavior. Parents will typically remind you of gifts they gave you, places they took you, sacrifices they made for you, and thoughtful things they did. They will say things like, "this is the thanks we get," or "nothing was ever enough for you."

YOUR RESPONSE: I appreciate those things very much, but they didn't make up for ....

"How can you do this to me?" Some parents act like martyrs. They'll collapse into tears, wring their hands, and express shock and disbelief at your "cruelty". They will act as if your confrontation has victimized them. They will accuse you of hurting them, or disappointing them. They will complain that they don't need this, they have enough problems. They will tell you that they are not strong enough or healthy enough to take this, that the heartache will kill them. Some of their sadness will, of course, be genuine. It is sad for parents to face their own shortcomings, to realize that they have caused their children significant pain. But their sadness can also be manipulative and controlling. It is their way of using guilt to try to make you back down from the confrontation.

YOUR RESPONSE: I'm sorry you're upset. I'm sorry you're hurt. But I'm not willing to give up on this. I've been hurting for a long time, too.

duckyfuzz · 08/11/2008 09:29

oh THUM

I think prufrock and others are right - you need to help him if he's going to stand up to his mum, its very hard as an only child to break that hold she has over him, but iff you walk away she's won good luck

Kimi · 08/11/2008 09:32

Are you going to the Christening? (Assuming DH grows a pair and tells his mother to back off)
Because If I were you I would tell DCIL how sad you were MIL thought you were had been invited, drop her right in it.

Horton · 08/11/2008 09:43

I think you have done really really well, THUM. Good on you. I know you can help your DH stand up to his mum - he'll get the hang of it himself in time but you can help him through this first bit.

MrsSanta · 08/11/2008 09:44

Thum what can I say you have been great and handled this really well.(my dh nuts would have been in his hands by now)

You know now in your heart what you want from your DH and marriage, Keep strong and take care.

LittleMissNorty · 08/11/2008 09:46

I don't know what to say as I'm so and about how this has developed....but you're right, you have to follow through otherwise it will happen again.....

I've got a 17 month old DD and couldn't imagine having to take her away from her daddy.....but you need to.....he obviously needs a huge kick up the arse.

Thinking of you this morning x

Thishasupsetme · 08/11/2008 09:46

Spoken to DH he said he is going to ring mil, but he doesn't know what to say; Please help me tell him how to hadle this.

Something short and sweet to get the message accross.

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forevercleaning · 08/11/2008 09:47

i dont think i would go to the christening if it were me. I would also not let dd go. I would sned the present in the post.

It will be really uncomfortable if you do go, and could end up in a blazing fishwife row andturn a big ugly.

Hold your head up high, go and stay with parents or db and let them get on with it for a while.

Your dh has a hell of a lot to learn and thinks it will all go away. He should have said right in the begininng that if dw cannot go, neither do i.

He could have stopped mil in her tracks at the wedding saga, but no, he let it carry on to this christening and then what?

You have done nothing wrong, let them all get on with it, and when dh comes crawling to you, let him suffer for while, whilst you make up your mind what you want from all of this.

Sorry but dh is as much to blame as his bloody mother. If he feels he is losing you, and genuinely loves you he will have it out with his mother, and she will then think she is losing her son.

Do not let up until you have answers to everything, proper answers, why did all this start, what have you done to offend mil etc and you need a face to face apology from mil or the whole lot of them can fuck off.

PenelopePitstops · 08/11/2008 09:48

he should just ask her what is going on, speak to her calmly and not shout

forevercleaning · 08/11/2008 09:50

Why is he frightened of his mother? He should be angry with her. She has upset his wife and mother of his child. She has put your marriage firmly on the rocks.
She sent a nasty text deliberately. Any decent husband would be raging with anger over what she has done.

Sorry, but he appears weak.

Katisha · 08/11/2008 09:51

She will deny it. He should just say I hadn't realised you had pretended DW wasn't invited to the christening or that wedding. I am ringing to tell you this is that last time anytihng like this ever happens. Then end call.

Thishasupsetme · 08/11/2008 09:51

How about this, he rings her and says to her that he knows that I was inited to X's christening and could she please explain why she said I was not.

Ive told him not to get drawn in if she cries, shout ect, to just repeat the question until she answers it.

Then tell her that I and DD are his priority and that we come first in his life and that if she wants to be a part of this familiy then she should offer me a heartfelt face to face apology.

Does taht sound okay, or too much right now?

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Thishasupsetme · 08/11/2008 09:52

How about this, he rings her and says to her that he knows that I was inited to X's christening and could she please explain why she said I was not.

Ive told him not to get drawn in if she cries, shout ect, to just repeat the question until she answers it.

Then tell her that I and DD are his priority and that we come first in his life and that if she wants to be a part of this familiy then she should offer me a heartfelt face to face apology.

Does taht sound okay, or too much right now?

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Katisha · 08/11/2008 09:52

That sounds good.But be prepared that she will deny. He shouldn't get drawn in to justifications.

SpandexIsMyEnemy · 08/11/2008 09:53

that sounds ok - my worry thou would be that he'll ring MIL back after an apologise for upsetting her when you're not there. trying to keep you both happy iycwim.

then again if he realises you're serious and the stakes are high - hopefully he'll not do that.

so sorry you're going thru this,

Thishasupsetme · 08/11/2008 09:53

Opps sorry for the double post

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Katisha · 08/11/2008 09:54

She may also start making threats about herself to frighten him. He should not believe these.

Thishasupsetme · 08/11/2008 09:54

Thanks, such good advice, he is going to ring her now, I will ry and get back soon.

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forevercleaning · 08/11/2008 09:55

maybe he should tell mil, that none of you will be attending the christening. Showing firm solidarity with his wife?

She will hate that, but maybe it is what is required to make her see what she is doing?

You 3 could always visit the christening family tommo eve to give your present.
I realise they would be missing out and hve done nothing wrong but surely would understand the reasons for none of you attending.

LittleMissNorty · 08/11/2008 09:55

perhaps the speaker phone should be on.....

PenelopePitstops · 08/11/2008 09:55

that sounds fine, very balanced

don't rise to her at all

SpandexIsMyEnemy · 08/11/2008 09:56

speaker phone on, and good luck.

QuintessentialShadow · 08/11/2008 09:57

Yes, the speaker phone should be on. You should be there and NUDGE him if it is taking the wrong direction.

Write down a few keypoints on a piece of paper.

BE READY TO QUICKLY WRITE TO HIM what to say if it derails.

RE-Read Attillas post below before you call!

forevercleaning · 08/11/2008 09:57

yes speaker phone - brill idea

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