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I've just received a text from MIL which I think was meant for DH and it has upset me. PART TWO

528 replies

Thishasupsetme · 07/11/2008 18:23

Hi all, new thread so I can update

OP posts:
LilRedWG · 08/11/2008 18:55

Well done to you both and good luck for tomorrow. Hold your heads high! xx

TheMuppetMuggle · 08/11/2008 19:02

Well done to you both. good luck for tomorrow and you both need to hold your heads high and enjoy yourself x

lilymolly · 08/11/2008 19:08

Lurked and lurked and lurked on this thread, simply because it was soooo long I could not keep up.

Anyhow, I am glad you have sort of got a positive outcome even if only with dh and not mil

As someone whos has a great relationship with my in laws, It really saddens me, and makes me really thankful for mine.

Really really hope you have a lovely time tommorow....and dont know if this has been said, but try to not ruin it for the other family members at the christening.
It would not be the time nor the place.

I am sure you wouldnt anyway, you sound lovely.

Good luck x

Nbg · 08/11/2008 19:21

Good luck for tomorrow THUM.
I hope it goes ok for you and dh and your MIL doesn't make an even bigger arse out of herself!

StayFrosty · 08/11/2008 19:32

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Horton · 08/11/2008 19:38

THUM, you and your DH have both been really brave today. Huge congratulations to both of you and well done for working it out. I think it will be good for both of you in the end, no matter how hard it seems now.

Really hope you enjoy the christening and that your horrible MIL will come to realise how very unfair she's been to all of you, including herself really. I think things can only get better from here, no matter what happens. At least you now know that your DH is on your side and prepared to stand up for you when he needs you, and that's a great thing to know.

Horton · 08/11/2008 19:39

Sorry, that was meant to say 'when he needs TO'. Ahem. Wine may have been taken.

LoremIpsum · 08/11/2008 20:00

Wow, THUMB, you've handled all of this with great dignity! I've been following your thread and am so pleased for you that it's unfolding this way.

Well done to you, and to your DH. Calling his mother and confronting her was an enormous step forward for him and for your relationship.

My DH has an incredibly toxic SM. Learning to handle her behaviour took me almost a decade and I was already an adult when she came into my life, albeit a young one. For DH, who was very young when SM and his father married, untangling the impact of her behaviour took a lot longer and lot more work. The effect of her behaviour on her own three dcs is even more pronounced.

Recovering from the impact of a toxic parent takes a long time and rarely straightforward. There is a lot of great advice on this thread from people who have dealt with a toxic parent of their own. My perspective comes from supporting a spouse who is dealing with it.

One of the most difficult things to understand from the outside is how it could be so hard for an adult to stand up for themselves. I honestly believe that when someone is dealing with a toxic parent, there can be a part of them that is still a child. When the parent plays their familiar games and presses the same old buttons, it's not the competent adult you know who responds, but the child still scared that the love they depend on for survival really might get yanked away. Getting past that can take a long time, and watching someone get past it can be frustrating. You might find it hard to stay patient and supportive throughout, and if you do struggle I highly recommend finding someone to talk to both as an outlet and as support.

For me, the first step forward was finally realising that I couldn't stop Step-MIL's behaviour. The second was accepting that I couldn't change how DH responded to it, only how I did. The biggest breakthrough, if you like, was understanding that she wasn't born this way but that she was also formed, most likely by her parents behaviour towards her, in particular her father's. Realising that before she was a toxic mother she was a vulnerable child made it easier to see her as just another flawed human who needed compassion as well a good slap . Once I actually got that it became less personal and infinitely less painful. As her father hurt her, so she hurt her children and passed the legacy on. What we all learned was that this was a cycle and we needed to try to break it rather than perpetuate it.

Whatever the eventual outcome, challenging a toxic parent's behaviour is important and worthwhile. In our family, it's led, eventually, to a certain amount of reconciliation. Step-MIL is now very ill and we're fairly certain this will be her last Christmas. She's still a complicated person, but her hold over the family has been broken and that makes it all so much easier.

Good luck, I hope the Christening is (was?) lovely and that things look up from here on in.

ChirpyGirl · 08/11/2008 20:11

Well done to you THUM for hadnling so well, and I have respect for your DH as well. I havea toxic father and have cut him out of my life rather than confront him, so I can understand how hard it must have been for your DH.
Have a good day tomorrow, she is only one person and you will be surrounded by friends.

kalo12 · 08/11/2008 20:13

you must be proud of your dh now. it can't have been easy for him.. hope your dd had a good time at the christening.. i bet your mil didn't go tho?

Neenztwinz · 08/11/2008 20:29

I have just read all your posts on the last thread and this one THUM. Stick with DH, don't let the MIL win. She would love it if you two split over this. She has shown him now what she is really like so you can be sure to have his full support now.

She must be a very sad person and very jealous that you are now the most important person in her son's life. Unfortunately lots of MILs are like this. Very sad.

toytownmum · 08/11/2008 20:33

Enjoy tomorrow..... And let her see that the three of you are enjoying the day as a family

AttilaTheMeerkat · 08/11/2008 20:41

Hi THUM

I have been out today and have just caught up with your thread.

His Mother gave a typical toxic parent type response to his phone call (these people have stock answers). Am not at all surprised that he got the reception he did; the denial of any wrong doing (that in itself is typically a toxic parent response), the threatening to cut him off (that's always been unspoken till now) the stunned silence in that he was actually confronting her (and kudos to him; that is bloody hard to do), her name calling and her wanting to still be his no 1 priority are all classic toxic parenting "me me me first last and always" style answers.

You may feel uncomfortable about me using the term "abusive" re your MIL but any toxic parent actually is abusive. They put their own emotional needs and wants well before any children they go onto have.

You've had a great amount of support and help on this thread; you now need to take this all on board. As I have said earlier her true colours are now exposed for you both to see; her true nature was hidden from you earlier on thus you felt you had a "normal" relationship with her. Controllers cannot hide their true nature forever you see. These people are also very plausible so you are not to blame for possibly missing any signs.

I would urge you to buy H "Toxic Parents" and you need to also read "Toxic Inlaws" by the same author (Susan Forward). Counselling too for him will be helpful; it will take a long time and a lot of ups and downs to counter such a toxic relationship. The realisation that he was in such a relationship with his Mum (not just to say step FIL as he seems also mad, I note any contact is distant re him) is very painful to realise. He honestly I think did not realise what she was truly like due to him being conditioned by her over the years. He needs help and so do you.

Toxic parents problems as well are often generational in nature; MILs parents likely treated her very badly as a child and has thus passed on these lessons to her son. This is no excuse for her though but you cannot and should not take ownsership of her problems.

It is okay to feel bad for your DH because you are a decent person; the scales have fallen from his eyes re his Mother. The normal rules of relationships do not apply to toxic parents.

If you both educate yourselves as to the realities of toxic parents you can both find a way to get through this without having your marriage sacrificed on the alter of her toxic ways and selfishness. She would also have behaved exactly the same regardless also of whom he married.

I hope the christening goes off well tomorrow.

With best wishes

Attila

BitOfFun · 08/11/2008 21:42

Lorem, that was a really insightful post- there's been some great advice and support on here, restores your faith in MN I think! I just think it's great the way everyone here has pulled together and come through for THUM, makes me quite emotional in fact...group hug

cluelessnchaos · 08/11/2008 22:23

Good luck for tommorow, jsut wanted to say (you have probably already done this) but outline waht you need from your dh tommorrow, ie dont disappear and leave you alone in case she corners you or him alone, a code word that either of you can say to pull the plug on the whole proceedings, what you will both say if people are surprised that you make it in the end. You will both need coping strategies to get through this and make sure you give yourselves a nice treat tommorow night, it has been a hard couple of days on you both, I am working til 4 but this thread will be first on my list to check when I get home.

Neenztwinz · 08/11/2008 22:43

I agree you need to discuss with your DH what you expect from him tomorrow.

elkiedee · 08/11/2008 23:01

Hope you enjoy the christening etc despite all this fuss, and that the rest of your dh's family treat you as your cousin does, she clearly wants you there and after all this is about her child and not your horrible MIL.

MmeLindt · 08/11/2008 23:14

Just caught up on the events of the past 24hrs. Well done THUM and MrTHUM, for standing up to your bullying MIL.

Good luck for the christening tomorrow, hope it all goes well.

DoubleBluff · 08/11/2008 23:41

Gosh this thread had been on my mind all day.
Good lUck for tomorrow THUM.
Keep your head held high.xx

snowleopard · 08/11/2008 23:55

Wow THUM, I've followed this on and off, and not posted yet, but I've now seen what your DH managed to do. I know it's been horrific for you and I don't belittle that, but he's been incredibly brave and done something for you that many men never manage - at a time of great shock and difficulty as well. I don't think he will hate you at all, I think this should be very good for you both and help him to grow up in some way. Keep letting him know how much this means to you and that you know it's been hard for him too - if you can keep being supportive to each other that will make you much stronger together.

And my god, what a cow. I too am just astonished by how much of this goes on with MILs. My MIL is barking but this vitriol and scheming is something else, and I've seen similar things described so many times on here. It's not your fault at all, and you have been great. It may be that you having DD, and sealing your relationship with him as it were, has tipped her over the edge when she seemed nice enough in the past.

ladytophamhatt · 09/11/2008 07:05

Good Luck today THUM, I hope MIL get it in the neck from all directions.

BexieID · 09/11/2008 08:32

Good luck today!

dillinger · 09/11/2008 09:07

Best of luck, be strong xx

Aarrgghhlloween · 09/11/2008 09:09

Best of luck for today - hold your head up high x

Twiglett · 09/11/2008 09:28

I am extremely impressed with how you are handling yourself and how your DH is now rising to the position he should take.

I know if you take the eminently sensible advice on here you will win in the long term

Please remember that the main thing is to leave an opening for her to stay in your lives but in an acceptable way. You do not want her to be able to play the victim.

I think the 'what you have done has hurt us a family and we don't understand why. But you are DD's grandmother and I am sure we can, with time and if we all work on it, find a way to include you in our lives'

Best of luck

I hope you enjoy the christening .. don't get drunk .. bad things will happen if you drink