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I've just received a text from MIL which I think was meant for DH and it has upset me. PART TWO

528 replies

Thishasupsetme · 07/11/2008 18:23

Hi all, new thread so I can update

OP posts:
Nbg · 08/11/2008 14:21

THUM, I'm so pleased that you've made progress.
I know you must feel upset for your dh but I think the fact that he feels a weight has been lifted speaks volumes.

And as for your MIL, her response just showed her true colours.

BitOfFun · 08/11/2008 14:29

Have only just caught up, but want to say well done on pulling it together as a couple, you should feel really proud of how you've handled all of this, you have been so dignified and strong even while feeling understandably gutted. If you can back each other up from now on, you will have navigated your way through something huge and come out stronger as a result. Good luck tomorrow, will be thinking of you x x x

SteadyNeddy · 08/11/2008 14:32

Well done to you, THUM. It may not feel like it now but you really have made the right choices in all of this.

You won't have done anything to MIL to make her act like this. Like Prufrock and others I too have experience of toxic parents. My dm thought that dh was lovely and initially treated him like another son. As time went on unknown to me she started putting him down even though he had done nothing to merit those kinds of comments. The thing that brought it all to a head for us was the day dm's mobile was on the blink and she dialled our number without realising it. Dh answered the phone and then handed it to me without a word. I could hear dm talking to someone else and calling dh an evil bastard amongst other things. When the big confrontation came she adopted the tactics Attila talked about earlier and even had the gall to say it was our own fault for not putting the phone down as soon as we realised that she hadn't meant to call us.

I can see now that it was all about control. She didn't like the fact that there was now someone else significant in my life who not only had influence over me but who also had the objectivity to see that her treatment of me was wrong.

I would be prepared for MIL to go around with a sob story about how hard done by she is and hw ungrateful she is. She might even try to lay a guilt trip on other family members when it comes to invitations for family events. "It's too hurtful for me to be in the same room as Thum and my ds but of course I wouldn't want to spoil your big day so invite them instead of me."

Stay firm and good luck to both you and dh.

thumbwitch · 08/11/2008 14:36

THUM - well done to your DH for making that phonecall and standing up to his evil mother.

You have done nothing wrong, and wracking your brains to think of anything won't help you as there isn't anything. As you validated my previous suggestion that she had always wanted a DD and didn't/couldn't have one for whatever reason, I would assume she is deadly jealous of you having something she never did and that is her only reason for being so mean to you now.

I would think it is unlikely that she will leave you alone, despite any threats to your DH that she will cut him out of her life - she wants to see her DGD too much, I would bet. She will have to back down if that is going to happen so you both have the "whip hand" here - point that out to DH, so that he doesn't weaken and apologise or backtrack.

If she stands firm and cuts off her nose to spite her face, then your DD has had a potentially lucky escape from a malign and toxic influence - but I don't think it will happen.

You have done so very well, and so has your DH - now he has to learn more how to be a strong supportive MAN in his family, not the mummy-dominated wimp he has been so far.

Good luck at the christening tomorrow - you are absolutely doing the right thing by going as a family unit. I believe that your MIL thought that, by sending that text to you, it would open up a can of worms and that you might leave DH on the strength of it, thus giving her exactly what she wanted - her son and DGD to herself without the interfering influence of you. By being a strong unit tomorrow, you can show her how very badly she misjudged the situation, and how much she stands to lose. Be polite, but don't seek her out and don't expect the apology - it won't come.

(((hugs))) to you all - you deserve them.

squeaver · 08/11/2008 14:38

Well done THUM.

Jackstini · 08/11/2008 14:40

Have followed this all the way through and think the outcome is as good as it can possibly have been out of such a crappy situation, mostly down to your strength and determination to make your dh do the right thing and not let her ruin your family - well done.
Your dh will understandably be sad for a while but I don't think he will blame you for finding out the truth. Like you say, he too feels a weight has been lifted.
I hope you all have a lovely weekend together. Let us know how the Christening goes.

pigsinmud · 08/11/2008 15:08

Been following this and well done you.
My mil didn't speak to us for 6 months after birth of dc4. This was a classic cutting off her nose to spite her face event! She thought we'd come running, but we didn't. Had loads of issues before this with her - all came down to control. She wanted to control my dh - he'd never stood up to her and she had never let go of him.
However now dh is not scared of her and I frankly don't care less what she thinks any more. He will now stand up for our family whereas before he tended to give in to her demands - she used all the classic emotional blackmail techniques which worked a dream on dh ... not any more.

Good luck and I hope you manage to enjoy tomorrow.

notpregyet · 08/11/2008 15:29

Well done THUM and TUM's DH!

Both of you have done the right thing. MIL may come round or she may not, you cannot control that.

georgimama · 08/11/2008 15:36

THUM, what Atilla says a lot further up is spot on. If your DH needs some help in working through this, or you need some help suporting him (because you both feel pretty exhilarated about it right now, but doubts and low points will come I'm afraid) then search the archives for the threads entitled "but we took you to stately homes" which pretty much sums up toxic parenting in one handy sentence.

Wispabarsareback · 08/11/2008 15:36

THUM - I've followed the whole thread without contributing, cos you were getting such good advice. Just wanted to say I think you're a star and have handled this brilliantly - not sure I would have managed to be as rational and gracious as you in similar circumstances. I hope your DH appreciates you, and that this is a whole new start for him. Men and their mothers though - how messed-up so many relationships are.

Dior · 08/11/2008 15:57

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J2O · 08/11/2008 16:11

well done for being so calm, i hope you enjoy the christening

feelingbitbetter · 08/11/2008 16:27

Didn't think I'd have opportunity to say it, but well done THUM-DH!
Just don't back down now, pleeeeeeeeaaaase.
Have a lovely day, and I hope that truly ugly woman does not ruin tomorrow for everyone.

JFly · 08/11/2008 16:30

Well done THUM and DH! You two will gain strength from this confrontation with MIL in the long run. There won't be an uneasy silence between you about MIL any more and your DH will be able to confront her again (undoubtably he will need to) b/c he's finally taken these first difficult steps.

As others have said, there is nothing you've done wrong. MIL is seriously co-dependent and when you married DH and then had DD, her control of your DH slipped away. She's been trying to claw it back and you've probably unwittingly not noticed so far. That's why she's been civil up till now. But, she f'd up and now she's panicking. That's why she's lashing out at you - but that has backfired for her b/c DH can see her for what she is. You've remained calm and rational while she's freaked out and shown herself as the controlling loon she is.

I think you'll be ok at the christening - the other family members are clearly not under her spell, so you'll probably get more support than you might think.

What a relief! It's definitely not over with MIL, but now you are a united front, and that's what really matters!

Heated · 08/11/2008 16:58

Have been following this thread with Good on you and MrThum. But don't assume she'll concede defeat gracefully.

Expect her to have a health scare about now, or at least lots of wailing/depression which masks her seething anger and self-pity. She may even manipulate step FIL to intercede on her behalf with your dh. Expect something along the lines of: couldn't he just see her, when then she'll do a bit of begrudged 'perhaps I went a bit too far, but can't you see how.... ' and get dh back on side. I think your dh will actually expect this and be dreading it.

An old school-friend has a controlling mother who, whenever she showed signs of independence, took to her bed. When she tried to leave home at 19, two of us went with her to lend moral support & protect her from violence. As expected mother was in bed claiming to have had a heart-attack (she was a gp) so I called her an ambulance, something she has never forgiven me for! Sadly the friendship never survived my going to university since her mother controlled her post, phone calls and even her future career path. I often wonder what happened to her and if she is happy.

Am looking forward to hearing how you and newly empowered dh enjoy the christening

Pennies · 08/11/2008 17:12

Well done on handling this with such dignity! I don't think I could have done it.

Did she know you could hear what she said on the phone?

I hope you have a lovely day today - let us know how it all goes tomorrow.

pinkspottywellies · 08/11/2008 17:24

Oh god I've got tears in my eyes again reading this

Well done MrThum for handling your mum so well. Good luck all for the Christening tomorrow.

imnotmamagbutshelovesme · 08/11/2008 17:36

THUM - I think you are an inspiration to all of us who have had difficult relationships.

I hope you have had a lovely day and anything that comes of this that means your H and DD don't see their mother/grandma, will be all the MIL from hell's fault.

Ally90 · 08/11/2008 17:39

Hi thishasupsetme

Been reading this today, you and dh should be proud of how you have dealt with this. On your dh's behalf, having come from a toxic family myself, they can make you act out of character because a) their behaviour is normal to you b) you will do anything to not be abandoned by them. Having said that I totally felt for you and what you were going through Anyway, best of luck for tomorrow, stick together like glue and I've got a feeling your mil will be in hysterics by end of day by not getting her own way .

Anyway...for tomorrow...your mil's likely responses...from Susan Forward Toxic Parents (unless Attila has beaten me too it )

"Once you get going, most toxic parents will counterattack. After all, if they had the capacity to listen, to hear, to be reasonable, to respect you feelings, and to promote your independence, they wouldn't be toxic parents. They will probably perceive your words as treacherous personal assaults. They will tend to fall back on the same tactics and defenses that they have always used, only more so.

Remember, the important thing is not their reaction but your response. If you can stand fast in the face of your parents' fury, accusations, threats and guilt-peddling, you will experience your finest hour.

Here are some typical parental reactions to confrontation:

"It never happened". Parents who have used denial to avoid their own feelings of inadequacy or anxiety will undoubtedly us it during confrontation to promote their version of reality. They'll insist that your allegations never happened, or that you're exaggerating. They won't remember, or they will accuse you of lying.

YOUR RESPONSE: Just because you don't remember, doesn't mean it didn't happen".

"It was your fault." Toxic parents are almost never willing to accept responsibility for their destructive behavior. Instead, they will blame you. They will say that you were bad, or that you were difficult. They will claim that they did the best that they could but that you always created problems for them. They will say that you drove them crazy. They will offer as proof the fact that everybody in the family knew what a problem you were. They will offer up a laundry list of your alleged offenses against them.

YOUR RESPONSE: "You can keep trying to make this my fault, but I'm not going to accept the responsibility for what you did to me when I was a child".

"I said I was sorry what more do you want?" Some parents may acknowledge a few of the things that you say but be unwilling to do anything about it.

YOUR RESPONSE: "I appreciate your apology, but that is just a beginning. If you're truly sorry, you'll work through this with me to make a better relationship."

"We did the best we could." Some parents will remind you of how tough they had it while you were growing up and how hard they struggled. They will say such things as "You'll never understand what I was going through," or "I did the best I could". This particular style of response will often stir up a lot of sympathy and compassion for your parents. This is understandable, but it makes it difficult for you to remain focused on what you need to say in your confrontation. The temptation is for you once again to put their needs ahead of your own. It is important that you be able to acknowledge their difficulties without invalidating your own.

YOUR RESPONSE: "I understand that you had a hard time, and I'm sure that you didn't hurt me on purpose, but I need you to understand that the way you dealt with your problems really did hurt me"

"Look what we did for you." Many parents will attempt to counter your assertions by recalling the wonderful times you had as a child and the loving moments you and they shared. By focusing on the good things, they can avoid looking at the darker side of their behavior. Parents will typically remind you of gifts they gave you, places they took you, sacrifices they made for you, and thoughtful things they did. They will say things like, "this is the thanks we get," or "nothing was ever enough for you."

YOUR RESPONSE: I appreciate those things very much, but they didn't make up for ....

"How can you do this to me?" Some parents act like martyrs. They'll collapse into tears, wring their hands, and express shock and disbelief at your "cruelty". They will act as if your confrontation has victimized them. They will accuse you of hurting them, or disappointing them. They will complain that they don't need this, they have enough problems. They will tell you that they are not strong enough or healthy enough to take this, that the heartache will kill them. Some of their sadness will, of course, be genuine. It is sad for parents to face their own shortcomings, to realize that they have caused their children significant pain. But their sadness can also be manipulative and controlling. It is their way of using guilt to try to make you back down from the confrontation.

YOUR RESPONSE: I'm sorry you're upset. I'm sorry you're hurt. But I'm not willing to give up on this. I've been hurting for a long time, too.

more · 08/11/2008 17:59

Well done to both you and your DH. Hope everything goes well tomorrow.

I second that your dh should try to read the Stately Homes Thread. Even if he just reads some of it and realises that he is not the only one that has been in this kind of situation.

He is lucky to have a supportive wife like you to help him through this.

chocolateteapot · 08/11/2008 18:13

Oh dear, what a nightmare. But well done to both you and your DH for handling it as you have (I know it took your DH a bit of time to get there but he did in the end).

My MIL was pretty ropey when alive. DH is the youngest of 4 by a fair way and I think my SILs/BIL got the worst of it years ago, so by the time I came along she had pretty much given up and was mostly indifferent, after having a go at the beginning, which I was able to nip in the bud quickly. It took DH a fair bit of time to be able to accept what his Mum was like and I know it was very painful for him, and this was after him having witnessed her behaviour with his older siblings and knowing what she could be like.

I have my fingers crossed that the Christening goes well tomorrow for you all.

Liffey · 08/11/2008 18:18

THUM, I've read this whole astonishing thread, completely mesmerised, and I have to say, you sound a really nice person. YOu could so easily have bitched about your MIL, you'd be so entitled! but you've hardly said anything about her apart from the absolute facts of what happened and that you thought you had a better relationship with her than this.

I reckon she's not just jealous because you're with her son, but because she knows you're the nicer person, and you are popular and liked by the rest of her family.

Not having had a dd, she's not used to having another female around.

What a poor muddled up ridiculous woman, ruining her own life.

sunnygirl1412 · 08/11/2008 18:33

THUM - I'm so glad that this is starting to work out for you - as others have said, your dh has taken a truly huge first step, and one that he should feel very proud of.

The next time I see my MIL, I'm going to give her a huge hug - because if this thread has shown me anything, it has shown me how lucky I am to have such a nice MIL.

sunnygirl.

sunnygirl1412 · 08/11/2008 18:34

PS - I almost find myself feeling sorry for your MIL, THUM - she doesn't know or appreciate what she's losing in throwing away her chances to be part of your family life and that of her grandchild.

sunnygirl.

quinne · 08/11/2008 18:45

I'm not sure if this has been asked earlier in either of the two threads but I was just wondering if there is any possibility that the MIL is actually trying to sort out the H's problem with his wife?!

I know it sounds weird and it is probably completely wrong but the H is doing nothing to distance himself from it and he is obviously a bit of a coward too (head under pillows and avoiding coming home). Plus didn't he SMS something like "I didn't want you to find out this way" (so what way did he want her to find out??).

I know its probably wrong but in light of the head under the covers communication level, I'd be quite tempted in the same place to get the MIL, H and the W in the room - just the three of you and say to H and MIL "right, which of you wants to tell me what my H wants from our marriage?"

Sorry if I am upsetting you, but just wondering if you've thought of it and discounted it.