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Glam & fab part 7 - from strength to strength

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UC · 31/07/2008 22:16

Thought I'd start this one off on a positive spin? Hope you all find it..

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Tanee58 · 10/09/2008 09:38

Oh bums, trying not to cry now . Have missed my breakfast too, not healthy. But needed a MN fix to sound off before dealing with other people's problems. DP not working today, so HE can lie around and mope all day if he wants to.

HappyWoman · 10/09/2008 10:07

Dior - send me some happy vibes - not too bad at the mo - just need to get back into the swing of being at home with only myself to look after . Place seems so quiet and i just cant seem to get myself started on any one thing.

RB - my h spiralled down once the reality of it all hit him.
I was always reasonable about access and in fact made sure the children saw him emailed him and texted and telephoned him almost daily.
I accepted my part for the state our marriage was in but also proved to myself and him that i was not really that awful person he wanted to see me as. I did a lot of work on myself. One of the things he said was he hated coming home to an untidy house (forgetting that he came home at bed time when the house really was a tip as supper things were still out, homework was spread accross the table ect). I also hated it being so messy - but without him and his mess to do i actually found it easier to do and would then only arrange for him to come around at times when it was looking good (and of course when i was looking good too).

I was in total control of when he saw the chidren, me and the house.
Apart from the initial angry outbusts i was sad but calm.

Like i say - he realised the happy carefree life he thought he would have was not so great - he found it hard to look after himself - when we did talk he admitted he hated going shopping and even asked me to help him get food for the children when he had them (which i refused polietly - making out i was too busy).

He had already arranged to take a month off work (which i think he was hoping would be long enough to get the divorce sorted (idiot)).
During that month he seemed to lose all will to do anything - it was probably depression - there was an awful lot of guilt there too - so i didnt have too hard a job to make him feel bad.
It was so sad to watch as the spark had just left him - it was obvious to everyone that he was not happy - but he equally felt he could not go back as he had done so much to damage us.

I offered for him to have tea with the children so at least we all knew he was eating and it gave him a chance to see the children more too.

He asked for more time off work and they agreed - and he one day asked if we could make another go of it.
I said i did not think we could but was happy to stay friends which is what we did.

Circumstances were in our favour - i had asked to move which he agreed to and was in the process of moving anyway - he had loads of time on his hands to get his head sorted and slowly i say the old him return.
We spent a lot of time having lunches and just talking - he helped me pack and it re-kindeled some old memories finding old photos ect.
We made no promises to each other (well i didnt to him anyway - he promised me ow was history).
We were lucky we had time to rediscover each other and no money pressures - a lovely new house too.

I have still not made any promises that it will last (i dont think i ever can). We have together laid a few ghosts to rest. I returned to the same place for a holiday alone with the children - the previous year was when i got my first real sussspicions. We have continued to work on our marriage and make a lot more time for each other now - we have had our first holidays without children (i reccomend to everyone).

One day i remember talking and saying - when we both retire lets do xyz. And i felt happy that i wanted to share those times with him agian.

It is a different relationship now - i am happier and will never be afraid to be on my own. I would say the balance of control is more in my favour now but i know i cannot control him - only my own actions.

He says he has learnt a massive lesson and although he is sure he will find other woman attractive and sexy again in the future he knows the devistation affairs can have. They dont just happen.
We are aware of the dangers and have even had the odd joke about it too.

This is not what i ever wanted to happen - i cant look back and think it was a good thing but there have been some good come out of it.
I will not ever thank the ow or ever think it is ok in any circumstances to embark on an affair - but equally i dont hate her - i hope she has also learnt from this and can also hopefully make others think before thinking it is just a bit of fun.

I just want to make happy memories for myself and my family now - ones we can share for a long time. My outlook has changed - and i hope for the better.

Good luck to all who experience this but it can work out.

HappyWoman · 10/09/2008 10:13

oh tanee - not surprised you feel so low.

Have to admit that i too can shy away from affection when i am feeling low - its a deffence mechanisim.

I think all you can do and it is hard is to try and be cheerful and not let him drag you down too. Try and make sure you have one possitive thing in your life each day.

You know my trick is to make a stranger smile everyday - i feel that at least i have brought some happiness however short lived into someones life, even if you cant into the people you want to.

Thinking of you.

ginnny · 10/09/2008 10:17

Oh MacD ? I?ve been there so many times. They use sex as a way to control us and when we don?t go along with it the nastiness comes out. I?ve even been called a lesbian because I didn?t want to sleep with him before
I fell into that trap too (fairly recently ) he?d be all nice to me, I?d sleep with him, then as soon as he?d got what he wanted (and I think it was more about feeling he had power over me than the actual sex itself) he?d be on the piss again and I felt like he was sticking 2 fingers up to me.
So now I refuse and I feel better for it too.
Well done for letting him go in the taxi ? you should feel proud of yourself.
I?m with HW here ? you know what you have to do now , and we?ll be here for you whatever happens.

ginnny · 10/09/2008 10:22

Hi Tannee. I know that with counselling of any sort it does get worse before it gets better, so I?d stick with it. As for his drinking, it won?t solve anything, just make things worse. Maybe the Relate counsellor will be able to help find other ways of dealing with things, or even refer him to an alcohol counsellor.

Tanee58 · 10/09/2008 10:44

HW & Ginnny, thanks. Ginnny, you're right - and he KNOWS that alcohol is a depressant. I said nothing except that, when the first bottle was opened and he said he didn't want to join us for dinner, I gently suggested that as he was drinking, he should eat something at least - so he got his cheese board out (he loves his cheese). I felt he needed an evening to wallow, so I let him.

Have had a surprisingly good response to an anti-social behaviour enquiry I put to the Council, which I know will put a smile on the faces of several residents of a council block. So HW, yes, it has made me feel a little better .

Still feel a bit crap though - mainly lack of sleep, no breakfast (went on MN instead ) and worry. Explained at work that I wouldn't be canvassing due to domestic problems & they have been sympathetic. Am SO glad I'm not the candidate!!!!!!

Dior · 10/09/2008 12:36

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HappyWoman · 10/09/2008 12:42

Dior - i am ok really - i just think i still feel a bit in limbo.

H doesnt start his new job until jan and he is finding it tough, and now with the dcs back at school i feel i SHOULD be achieving more. I just feel i am lacking a bit of direction atm.

I have also agreed to do couple of days work a week but that doesnt start for another 3 weeks.

But i am getting my diary out and will email you with some possible dates for lunch and catch up.

Dior · 10/09/2008 12:45

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Tanee58 · 10/09/2008 13:06

Ooh, if you don't mind, and the dates tally, could I muscle in on lunch? Pretty please?

ErnestTheBavarian · 10/09/2008 15:30

Guys, you're great, no time today. Lots better. Thatnks largely to you

try to catch up soon xxx

Tanee58 · 10/09/2008 16:02

Hi Ernest, so glad to hear you're feeling better.

Baffy · 10/09/2008 16:10

macd I'm so proud of you, you did exactly the right thing. He has no idea does he, and he is still having his cake and eating it. You there in the background, stable, sorting out finances, bringing up his children, sex when he wants it... and what does he do? Put in the effort and time to show you how sorry he is and how he can be trusted again?? Nope! Nothing! Just thinks about himself, as usual, and blames you for his affair. Not surprised you're FWIW I think you did exactly the right thing.

Has he sold the flat yet?
If he has, I think this would be the time I'd be serving those papers xx

Dior I'm so so pleased for you and don't you ever feel bad for being happy!!!! I'll tell you off if you do that again! We're all getting to that happy place in our own time and as and when each of us does, it gives everyone else that extra lift I'm so so pleased for you. You really deserve it.

Ds was horrendous in school today. Screamed and screamed. With him being an August baby and only just turning 3 he's by far the youngest, and smallest, in the class. And I think the teachers realise it. They've been great. I sat outside the door for 10 minutes though while he screamed 'I want my mummy' Wouldn't leave until he'd at least calmed down! He didn't know I was there though. I kept my smiley happy face and when I picked him up he was great.

I'm fine now, still gets me upset, but I know that once he realises there's no choice and he always gets picked back up, then I'm sure he'll be ok. I'd rather do it now than go through it all next year when he's older, and stronger, and can scream louder!!

As for H, well, in a nutshell. He wants us to get back together. Has told that to OW and still hasn't backed down. And now OW wants me and him to take the baby when it's born.

Enough said.

Tanee58 · 10/09/2008 16:39

Baffy that must have been really hard for you to listen to (DS screaming, I mean) - but he will grow used to it. And he's still so small. Sounds like the staff are really good though - eventually he'll grow used to the new routine and will enjoy all those new toys and friends to play with.

As for H - what's your response been? Stay away, I hope! And what does OW think this baby is? A cuddly toy? - sad to think they have created a child when they are still such children themselves.

ginnny · 10/09/2008 16:51

Baffy it will get easier. I know its heartbreaking at the moment though.
I don't believe for a moment that OW wants to hand over her baby to you and H. Its all part of her sick little game. As for him, its a bit late isn't it, he's had 2 years to decide he wants you. Be careful - don't let him break your heart again.
Dior - don't feel bad for being happy! It's nice to hear some good news on here. Gives us all hope for the future. You have come so far in the last year, its such a boost to hear you sound so happy.
XP phoned me at 12.30 last night and woke me up I didn't answer but he left a drunk message saying he loves me so much he'd hang himself for me. This month it is the anniversary of the day one of my best friends hung herself! I don't know if he's just plain stupid or spiteful and malicious. Either way I'm very very pissed off with him and I don't want to ever speak to him again.
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Baffy · 10/09/2008 17:11

Tanee very true. She is barly an adult herself and when I was picking up ds from H last night she has apparently been telling H the baby hasn't moved for a few days. Attention seeking. He went round, and sure enough he could see it actually kicking!

Sick sick sick. How can people do that sort of thing? That poor poor child. What if something actually did happen to it? And she's been playing sick games saying it's not moving just for attention.

It's intriguing to hear what's going on. But so sad, sickening and frustrating too. I'm glad it's no longer impacting on me, ds, or my day to day life. I can listen to what's happening relatively distant from it now and I don't have much emotion either way. Relief more than anything.

My response to it all... nothing! And that's how it will stay. I want no part in any of it anymore.

Tanee58 · 10/09/2008 17:43

Baffy, - you are in control at last. She is, as you say, sick, sick, sick. And where is the OM in all this? Has he come to his senses or is he still supporting her?

Ginnny - & - how could he threaten this when he must have known about your friend - or was he just too drunk to think?! I can't stand it when they try the emotional blackmail bit. My stalker exbf threatened me likewise. I just didn't care any more and told him if he ended it all, that was just his stupid decision and none of my business.

Have to admit last night, when I looked at DP crouched sadly over his cheese and wine by the light of a single candle, listening to Sandy Denny at great volume, I did worry for a moment... he seemed so full of self-hate. But I think/hope he'll pull through. (he tried suicide twice in his teens/early 20s, but failed miserably and woke up once in a ditch and once in his student room, sick as a parrot, with his then GF telling him not to be so f*ing stupid). As you & Dior have said, the first session is the worst and he feels so badly that he's let us down. Small steps though, and the first is, I'm going home now. Wish we didn't have lodger around though. She's far too cheery for me. DP's going to Norfolk on Friday, to see the last show in their season, & won't be home till Monday. DD's going to my sister's so it'll just be me and Lodger. Bad timing, it would have been nice to have time alone with DP, and he'll be staying with Norfolk Lady of course (otherwise I would have asked to go with him). So I'm going to settle in on Friday night for a long chat with the friend who let me down last Saturday (I posted on AIBU cos it hurt me a bit, under the circumstances) - maybe she and I can keep our spirits up!

HappyWoman · 10/09/2008 17:44

Baffy - you are doing really well. Glad you are not going to get sucked into her games anymore. Actually i felt really broody today so could i have the baby please ? WTF is she on though - she must be feeling pretty desperate too - let her see how 2 years of heartbreak feels before you start to show her any sort of emotion.
As for h - let him carry on the way he is - you will have to still see him because of ds, and lets hope he remains 'good', if he is really so serious about wanting you then he should have a very long time to prove it to you - at the moment you concentrate on getting yourself sorted - keep reminding yourself of those boundaries and you will feel safe in the knowlege that you control those.
As for ds - i hope he settles soon - i have been fairly lucky in that mine have all been willling to go off (is home life so awful?) but i do remember when ds2 was only just 3 and he would not settle - i did 'give up' actually as he didnt need to go it was more for my own needs.
But it does sound as if he will soon be loving it - make it sound as if you have had a really boring time without him and he will soon be telling you all the fun things he is doing.

Tanee - of course you can have lunch - is there any day best for you?

MCD - stay strong - just look how far you have already come - and it is just making the road back for h all the more harder.

Tanee58 · 10/09/2008 17:48

HW - Tuesdays and Fridays are good for me, usually. Would be lovely to see you and that hairy biker dude, Dior again. (Dior & I could compare electrolysis scars ...)

HappyWoman · 10/09/2008 18:00

tuesdays will be best for me - will have a look in diary and arrange on fb for venue.

ginnny · 10/09/2008 18:42

Tanee I don't think he was threatening to do it, just drunken ramblings, but SO insensitive. If he cared about me at all he'd know that that is the worst thing to say to me at the moment as it always plays on my mind at this time of year.
All he's done is prove to me that he doesn't give a stuff about me or how I'm feeling. As always its all about him.
HW - lol at you being broody. I watched that thing on breast feeding last night and suddenly felt quite tearful at the thought that I wouldn't ever do that again. I loved it so much

Lilyloo · 10/09/2008 19:35

Evening all McD enough said but well done on sending him home.

Tannee can imagine that relate stirs up a lot to think about. I do part time anyway thanks for replying though The dance in the litchen sounded lovely!

Dior your life sounds lovely at the mo and when you have had it so hard you deserve to shout it from the roof tops!

HW i know exactly what you mean how does everything go full circle and end up back at the same dark point ?

Baffy you are handling it great and ds will settle it just takes some longer than others. But at least he will be used to it by the time he get's to school. Glad about h and agree with HW in keeping your boundaries to protect yourself.

Ginny why would he say that. I hope it was drunken talk and he didn't know what he was saying surely he wouldn't be that nasty!

Hope everyone else ok and keeping plodding on. Am in the throes of putting loads more stuff on ebay in the hopes of trying to relieve some pressure failing that could do with a lottery win

HappyWoman · 10/09/2008 20:13

I know i dont want any more babies really which is why i allow myself to be broody.

When i got ds2 (no 3 - dc) into school i felt the same - however a year later we had a surprise extra . But now have it sorted and he got done[girn], so it will be a bloody miricle if it happened now.

MyHeadIsSpinning · 10/09/2008 22:35

Evening All

Baffy you sound so much stronger and in control - what you are doing is working well for you. Must be so difficult and I admire your strength.

Ginny Why do these men keep tgetting it so consistently wrong?

Tanee as difficult as it is atm I think the fact that your DP knows he has let you down and that he feels some kind of remorse for this is a good thing -my counsellor keeps saying that this is the first step to moving on.....unfortunately my DH is struggling to get there atm

RB how are you today?

I've had a strange day. Went into work to talk about my return early next year went well - boss being very flexible.

Spoke to my MIL and she was more supportive than she was wehn we last spoke - just after we came home from holiday and it had all kicked off. However she doesn't seem to appreciate the enormity of what DH has done. When I said that he has done wrong and I have done all I can to save my marriage her response was that I might THINK i have done all I can but that's my interpretation and couldn't really agree that DH had done a really bad thing in shagging someone else whilst DD and I were ill in hospital after nearly losing our lives

I didn't want to 'tell tales' about DH and she said that she wasn't really interested in the ins and outs of what has gone on because it is what we do now that matters. However I made it clear to her that DH is lying to her! and he is still seeing OW and that he was sleeping with her on a regular basis - she didn't really believe me though

She said that DH has told her that he prefers talking to her than the counsellor - hmm may have something to do with her being so understanding about what he has done and not giving him a hard time about it

She said that he has said to her that he doens't know what he should do to 'fix' what he has done and make it up to me. I pointed out stopping seeing OW , looking for another job, sayign he is sorry and meaning it, being on time to pick up DD etc would be a start She kind of agreed and said that she has said as much to him.

We can't afford for him to live anywhere on his own atm because of finances so his parents house is the only place he can stay BUT I really think he needs time alone without his mum's influence to sort his head out. The flip side of that is that he would have more chance to be with the OW.

We also had a chat about issues she has with me - surrounding her access to DD and other stuff that she won't elaborate on but has brought up as affecting her one two occassions recently.

Came away feeling upset that DH isn't getting 'punished' for what he has done. In fact his parents seem to be pandering to him in some ways and not really taking my feelings and what he has done seriously. But if I raise this I am accused of telling people how they should behave or react

She implied that I have contributed to what has happened equally and that is why DH had n affair. Whilst I am the first to admit I am not perfect I am not prepared to accept that because I did X,Y or Z DH was entitled to have an affair.

Feeling and at some of the things she said and also mad at myself for not saying what has upset me about her over the past few months. I suppose that is part of the process of tlaking about it all. Just difficult to do.

Sorry that's very me me me again but needed to get it off my chest

Hope everyone else is feeling okay

Anifrangapani · 10/09/2008 23:10

MHIS I am so glad that my parents and mil don't know. That would be too much to bear. I can imagine my Mum giving her 2 pence worth at every opportunity.

Baffy you sound so much stronger. You do right to stay away from OW's games.

Lilly eBay is good for that isn't it.... although a lottery win would wok too. Prehaps I ought to buy a ticket.

Ginny I would be too. That is very poor timing. Hope you are OK

Tanee - I have nothing constructive to add to what has already been said, although a silver lining is that you are talking.

Me I had a wobble earlier..start of school, dh takes kids to school as does Ow. He was tired tonight and I was giving up fags....not a good combination, but he is being patient. Onwards and upwards.

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