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Would you continue dating a man who has a child he doesn't see?

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VelvetPetals11 · 10/10/2026 01:18

I’ve recently started seeing a man in his late 20s and there’s something he told me that’s left me feeling quite conflicted. I’d really appreciate some opinions.

Sorry, this is going to be a long one, but I wanted to include as much detail as possible so people have the full picture.

We both live in the US, although he’s originally from the UK. We’ve only been on one date so far, but it went really well. He’s a little shy, but lovely to talk to, has a good job and seems to have his life together. We have loads in common, similar interests and values, and seem to want the same things in life. I genuinely haven’t met someone I’ve clicked with like this in a while.

However, during our date he told me he has a son back in the UK who he hasn’t seen for six years.

Obviously that caught me off guard, so I asked him about it.

He explained that when his son was conceived, he was in a really bad place. He was severely addicted to alcohol, drinking almost every day and regularly blacking out. His mental health wasn’t good either, and he wasn’t remotely ready to become a dad.

He said the relationship with his ex wasn’t particularly healthy. Apparently she’d often spoken about wanting a baby, including saying she wanted one so she’d never be alone, and had told him she didn’t think she could get pregnant.

He said looking back at that time is difficult, especially because he was drunk so much of the time. But he didn’t accuse her of trapping him or anything like that.

One thing I did respect was that he said he doesn’t believe in speaking badly about someone he once loved, even if things ended badly. He acknowledged that he’d made plenty of mistakes himself.

Anyway, they separated, she eventually got into another relationship and told him she didn’t want their son knowing who his biological father was.

He never went through the courts to try to establish contact, which is probably the part I’m struggling with most.

His explanation was that he was in a terrible place mentally at the time and was frightened of making an already complicated situation worse. He later moved abroad to start a new life, and between getting sober, rebuilding his life and establishing himself in another country, the years went by.

He also worries that suddenly reappearing in his son’s life after so long could potentially cause more harm than good, especially if his mother is against it.

However, he told me he’s been thinking about his son a lot recently and is looking into speaking to a solicitor to understand his options and whether trying to establish contact would be in his son’s best interests.

He does pay child maintenance.

He also told me he writes birthday and Christmas cards and letters to his son, even though he can’t currently give them to him. He keeps them in case his son ever wants to know him in the future.

He also puts money aside in a separate savings account for him.

When he was talking about his son, he became noticeably quieter and seemed genuinely upset about the situation. I didn’t get the impression he was proud of how things had turned out.

He’s now been sober for five years, has a good career and seems to have completely turned his life around.

We also spoke about what we want from life. He said he’d love to get married and have a family one day, but wouldn’t rush into having children. He’d only want to do that in a stable, loving relationship where both people were completely ready and genuinely wanted it.

He made it clear that he doesn’t see his son as a mistake. He just wishes the circumstances had been different and that he’d been in a better place when he became a father.

So this is where I’m torn.

On one hand, I really like him. He seems kind, thoughtful and genuinely lovely to be around. We have so much in common, and I admire the fact that he was upfront about something that obviously doesn’t paint him in the best light.

On the other hand, he has a son he hasn’t seen for six years, and I can’t pretend that doesn’t bother me.

I know people can change, especially after overcoming something as serious as addiction, but I also wonder what this might mean if we eventually got married and had children ourselves.

Would you be willing to look at the person he’s become, or would the lack of contact with his son be too much of a red flag?

Would you continue getting to know him?

I’d really appreciate some honest opinions.

OP posts:
TooBigForMyBoots · 12/10/2026 23:42

Yo808 · 12/10/2026 22:32

Said he got sad talking about his son. Not sure if it’s a case of ‘trauma dumping’ or gaslighting.

Total gaslighting. That's why the OP started this thread. She felt "conflicted" because she was gaslit.

She said that he "didn't say she trapped" him. But he totally meant that he believed she trapped him. I saw it from the off. You called it later in the thread.Thanks

Gaslighting.
Trauma dumping.
Persistent sense of victimhood.
Woe is me.
Poor me.
Pour me another drink.
At the bar where I only come for my hobby.🙄

Oh yeah, and a Green card.

I've no doubt he does think about his son from time to time, but thoughts are not nurturing or parenting or raising a child. They are not reality, just a thing that happens in his head from time to time.

And maybe he does feel sad about it. Again that's his personal feeling. It has no relevance to the real world of his child, his Ex or anyone else.

It's easy to think stuff.
It's easy to feel stuff.
It's a piece of piss to say stuff.

It's doing stuff that matters.

So far this bloke has done fuck all for his kid and gaslit the OP. That's loser material that is.🤷‍♀️

PPAPPINE · 13/10/2026 00:02

Yo808 · 12/10/2026 21:11

Giving different advice is derailment?
Nobodies bullied anyone? Expect maybe that peach yesterday tried to.

There is no evidence to suggest the mother of this guys child has maliciously blocked access and demanded payment lol. There is evidence that he has abandoned his child and moved to another continent. We also know that men are likely to do this and lie about it.
There is zero reason to see this man again or to encourage a naive woman to do so.

CamillaMcCauley · 13/10/2026 00:59

TooBigForMyBoots · 12/10/2026 23:42

Total gaslighting. That's why the OP started this thread. She felt "conflicted" because she was gaslit.

She said that he "didn't say she trapped" him. But he totally meant that he believed she trapped him. I saw it from the off. You called it later in the thread.Thanks

Gaslighting.
Trauma dumping.
Persistent sense of victimhood.
Woe is me.
Poor me.
Pour me another drink.
At the bar where I only come for my hobby.🙄

Oh yeah, and a Green card.

I've no doubt he does think about his son from time to time, but thoughts are not nurturing or parenting or raising a child. They are not reality, just a thing that happens in his head from time to time.

And maybe he does feel sad about it. Again that's his personal feeling. It has no relevance to the real world of his child, his Ex or anyone else.

It's easy to think stuff.
It's easy to feel stuff.
It's a piece of piss to say stuff.

It's doing stuff that matters.

So far this bloke has done fuck all for his kid and gaslit the OP. That's loser material that is.🤷‍♀️

Edited

I’ve come to believe that some people convince themselves that while expressing a good intention isn’t exactly the same doing as a good action, it’s worth maybe 80 percent of the good action and they should be given credit and positive regard for it.

The reality is that a good intention is worth nothing until you do something about it.

Yo808 · 13/10/2026 08:03

PPAPPINE · 13/10/2026 00:02

There is no evidence to suggest the mother of this guys child has maliciously blocked access and demanded payment lol. There is evidence that he has abandoned his child and moved to another continent. We also know that men are likely to do this and lie about it.
There is zero reason to see this man again or to encourage a naive woman to do so.

All men are likely ? Are all women likely to lie to their man to trap them?
You’re another ignoring the fact that the guy said anything at all.

cheziebabe · 13/10/2026 12:53

he sounds lovely. his ex didnt want him in the child's life and he has respected that. the child probably believes her husband is his dad and you are going to disrupt that and upset the child if you push him into contact. he is not the same person as he was. you will lose this lovely balanced man if you push this to do what you think is right . the child should come 1st.

HappyWelsh · 13/10/2026 13:18

Going against the grain, I would give it a shot. People mess up in life, he shouldn’t be punished for the rest of his life on a dark situation he found himself in. There’s possibility to rebuild in the future with his Son which I’m guessing is what he wants.

We’ve all made mistakes, he hasn’t killed anyone, and providing he is telling the whole truth on the situation, I would see him again

Liveafr · 13/10/2026 19:59

HappyWelsh · 13/10/2026 13:18

Going against the grain, I would give it a shot. People mess up in life, he shouldn’t be punished for the rest of his life on a dark situation he found himself in. There’s possibility to rebuild in the future with his Son which I’m guessing is what he wants.

We’ve all made mistakes, he hasn’t killed anyone, and providing he is telling the whole truth on the situation, I would see him again

Have read the OP's updates about this guy working towards getting a green card (therefore permanently living thousands of miles away from his son)?
What sort of future can he rebuild then?

Yo808 · 13/10/2026 20:02

Liveafr · 13/10/2026 19:59

Have read the OP's updates about this guy working towards getting a green card (therefore permanently living thousands of miles away from his son)?
What sort of future can he rebuild then?

He has rebuilt his future by taking the only real option for him

nikkianns · 14/10/2026 00:11

With one date realistically you don’t actually know much of anything about him, nothing you can confidently say is true atleast. If you’re happy to take him by his word there would be nothing wrong with going on a few more dates and actually seriously seeing what he’s like a person, that way you can see if what he’s telling you is true before writing him off completely. I guess my biggest question would be if he’s planning on getting his green card to stay/live in the US like you said, how is he planning on regularly seeing his son that lives in the UK? Especially a 6 year old. It’s not exactly a short trip for him to apply for any sort of split custody or to have his kid on weekends.

toiletpaperthief · 14/10/2026 00:20

I find it a bit weird that a total stranger would tell someone that long very private story on a first date, I also find strange that you're so invested in a stranger after a first date and believing head to toe this story. I would take the whole thing with a pinch of salt. I'd be very cautious with any man who pulls out the "victim card" on a first date.

PPAPPINE · 14/10/2026 01:06

Yo808 · 13/10/2026 08:03

All men are likely ? Are all women likely to lie to their man to trap them?
You’re another ignoring the fact that the guy said anything at all.

You're just being extremely odd. Where???? Is there any evidence to suggest he was “trapped”

  1. He's hardly “trapped” if he's in a different continent.
  2. We are all responsible for preventing unwanted pregnancies.
  3. Anything to do with the mother of his child or any other woman is irrelevant because the OP is contemplating seeing a man again. This man in particular.

Now bore off

AmberTigerEyes · 14/10/2026 05:35

Liveafr · 13/10/2026 19:59

Have read the OP's updates about this guy working towards getting a green card (therefore permanently living thousands of miles away from his son)?
What sort of future can he rebuild then?

Lol, a green card does not mean you would be stuck in the US ‘permanently.´
With the current atmosphere in the US a green card is better protection against wrongful and arbitrary deportation by ICE.

A green card also means more freedom to live outside the USA temporarily without losing your residency rights. It also means if you move away long term, and then want to move back to the USA, you are more likely to get your work visa approved and be fast tracked to a new green card. It is also a stepping stone on the way to nationalising and gaining dual US & UK citizenship. If he is aiming for US citizenship, he can live in either country whenever he finds jobs in either country.

Mermaidsarereal · 14/10/2026 05:56

I think one good thing is he’s being honest with you about his past straight away, a lot of men wouldn’t be. I have a biased opinion on men like this though because I’ve been through something similar with my own DD’s bio father, for me, I don’t think I could carry on seeing him. I think because you are torn about this, I’d be inclined to say it’s not right for you.

speakball · 14/10/2026 06:21

you will lose this lovely balanced man if you push this to do what you think is right .

hahahahahaha.

Yo808 · 14/10/2026 09:08

PPAPPINE · 14/10/2026 01:06

You're just being extremely odd. Where???? Is there any evidence to suggest he was “trapped”

  1. He's hardly “trapped” if he's in a different continent.
  2. We are all responsible for preventing unwanted pregnancies.
  3. Anything to do with the mother of his child or any other woman is irrelevant because the OP is contemplating seeing a man again. This man in particular.

Now bore off

Edited
  1. Exsctly, so why say all men or women.
  2. Agree
  3. Course she’s relevant, would confirm whether he was genuine or not if we knew anything about her, maybe OP will find out some more.
Arabelllllllla · 14/10/2026 09:36

People are SO judgemental about addiction on here. If he'd only been sober a few months (under a year really) then I'd say steer clear, but 5 years is a long time and if he's grounded in his sobriety he's likely to be much more self aware than the average person.

Having former addiction issues would not personally put me off dating someone. Humans are not perfect. If of course you notice behaviours consistent with continuing addiction then absolutely stop the relationship

A lot of women on here just hate men (sometimes rightly or wrongly) and will not give a dad the benefit of the doubt. If he is paying child support that is a good sign, only you can assess how true what he's saying is. He could be spinning you a yarn, but he could also be telling the truth

I'd want to know why he hasnt done it already, that would be a concern to me. But if the mother has pushed him away maybe he thought he was doing the right thing. Stuff like this is rarely simple.

PPAPPINE · 14/10/2026 09:40

Yo808 · 14/10/2026 09:08

  1. Exsctly, so why say all men or women.
  2. Agree
  3. Course she’s relevant, would confirm whether he was genuine or not if we knew anything about her, maybe OP will find out some more.

I did not say all men. Men are more likely to abandon their children. That’s a fact.

she is entirely irrelevant. Her character does not negate his responsibility.

supercali77 · 14/10/2026 09:47

There are red flags there for sure. Recovered alcoholics are still a risk, you can't guarantee no relapses. You also won't know easily if what he tells you is the truth.. and the truth has likely been varnished

That said, if it is the truth or close to then not being in your child's life as you drink yourself mortal is probably the best course of action. The problem is, it's hard to come back from a several year gap with kids. Turning up 6 years later wheb they have a mum and a father figure might do more harm than good. So, again if it's the truth, I'd understand that part of the reasoning. The problem for you is that you can't easily know if it's the truth or even close to it. And you can't guarantee he won't relapse. Both of those things after 1 date are a reason to pause.

SquirrelMadness · 14/10/2026 10:20

Arabelllllllla · 14/10/2026 09:36

People are SO judgemental about addiction on here. If he'd only been sober a few months (under a year really) then I'd say steer clear, but 5 years is a long time and if he's grounded in his sobriety he's likely to be much more self aware than the average person.

Having former addiction issues would not personally put me off dating someone. Humans are not perfect. If of course you notice behaviours consistent with continuing addiction then absolutely stop the relationship

A lot of women on here just hate men (sometimes rightly or wrongly) and will not give a dad the benefit of the doubt. If he is paying child support that is a good sign, only you can assess how true what he's saying is. He could be spinning you a yarn, but he could also be telling the truth

I'd want to know why he hasnt done it already, that would be a concern to me. But if the mother has pushed him away maybe he thought he was doing the right thing. Stuff like this is rarely simple.

I'm not judgemental about addiction and I don't hate all men. However, choosing not to date someone is not necessarily the same as judging them.

Just as an example, I wouldn't date someone who owns a dog, not because I judge people who own dogs, just because I don't want the responsibility of looking after a dog, limiting ourselves to certain holidays etc. I have nothing against dog owners. Just don't especially want to date them.

Walking away from a potential date doesn't necessarily mean you're judging them as deficient or defective in some way.

And ignoring gut feelings to give people the benefit of the doubt is not always a sensible strategy. Gut feelings can be incredibly important in keeping us safe. Can they be wrong sometimes? Yes of course, but it's often not worth the risk.

Arabelllllllla · 14/10/2026 13:13

SquirrelMadness · 14/10/2026 10:20

I'm not judgemental about addiction and I don't hate all men. However, choosing not to date someone is not necessarily the same as judging them.

Just as an example, I wouldn't date someone who owns a dog, not because I judge people who own dogs, just because I don't want the responsibility of looking after a dog, limiting ourselves to certain holidays etc. I have nothing against dog owners. Just don't especially want to date them.

Walking away from a potential date doesn't necessarily mean you're judging them as deficient or defective in some way.

And ignoring gut feelings to give people the benefit of the doubt is not always a sensible strategy. Gut feelings can be incredibly important in keeping us safe. Can they be wrong sometimes? Yes of course, but it's often not worth the risk.

You are making a judgement, and actually it's okay for you to admit that. Owning a dog is not the same as having an addiction, owning a dog is a choice. Being sick is not a choice.

That being said, I agree you should not ignore your gut instinct. What many people on this thread are saying is a blanket statement they would never date someone with an illness, rather than trusting their gut in each specific case.

Its sad because some of the best people I know are sober/in recovery and honestly I wouldn't want to blanketly close my heart or mind to someone who otherwise might be perfect for me. Fwiw the OP sounds like she is a bit unsure but wants to find out more, and I don't know why she's getting so much flack for wanting more information.

SquirrelMadness · 14/10/2026 13:30

Arabelllllllla · 14/10/2026 13:13

You are making a judgement, and actually it's okay for you to admit that. Owning a dog is not the same as having an addiction, owning a dog is a choice. Being sick is not a choice.

That being said, I agree you should not ignore your gut instinct. What many people on this thread are saying is a blanket statement they would never date someone with an illness, rather than trusting their gut in each specific case.

Its sad because some of the best people I know are sober/in recovery and honestly I wouldn't want to blanketly close my heart or mind to someone who otherwise might be perfect for me. Fwiw the OP sounds like she is a bit unsure but wants to find out more, and I don't know why she's getting so much flack for wanting more information.

I wasn't comparing having a dog to an addiction. My point was that not wanting to date someone doesn't mean you think they're defective, that you think they don't deserve love, or that you dislike them. Everyone gets to decide their own dealbreakers, and having one is about what works for you, not a judgment of the other person.

And we're not obligated to tell someone why we don't want to date someone either.

JoyousWriter · 14/10/2026 14:02

Arabelllllllla · 14/10/2026 09:36

People are SO judgemental about addiction on here. If he'd only been sober a few months (under a year really) then I'd say steer clear, but 5 years is a long time and if he's grounded in his sobriety he's likely to be much more self aware than the average person.

Having former addiction issues would not personally put me off dating someone. Humans are not perfect. If of course you notice behaviours consistent with continuing addiction then absolutely stop the relationship

A lot of women on here just hate men (sometimes rightly or wrongly) and will not give a dad the benefit of the doubt. If he is paying child support that is a good sign, only you can assess how true what he's saying is. He could be spinning you a yarn, but he could also be telling the truth

I'd want to know why he hasnt done it already, that would be a concern to me. But if the mother has pushed him away maybe he thought he was doing the right thing. Stuff like this is rarely simple.

But he's not a dad.
He's just another random man who ran away.
And an alcoholic.
And he gave such a sob story that the OP was confused enough to post here.

Yo808 · 14/10/2026 18:07

JoyousWriter · 14/10/2026 14:02

But he's not a dad.
He's just another random man who ran away.
And an alcoholic.
And he gave such a sob story that the OP was confused enough to post here.

well he still a dad
he was blocked
in recovery
I wonder how many mums on here judge someone who feels like they have to leave but have dads at home that drink, or shout at toddlers like on the other thread. But that’s ok because they’re there. They should leave, sometimes it’s better not to be there.

CamillaMcCauley · 14/10/2026 19:07

Yo808 · 14/10/2026 18:07

well he still a dad
he was blocked
in recovery
I wonder how many mums on here judge someone who feels like they have to leave but have dads at home that drink, or shout at toddlers like on the other thread. But that’s ok because they’re there. They should leave, sometimes it’s better not to be there.

It think it’s fine to judge both, and it’s bullshit that people think it’s completely okay for their partner to drink and shout at them or their child.

You act like getting sober, getting counseling and otherwise dealing with their issues while staying present in their children’s lives simply isn’t an option for these men. But it is.

This man got told to stay away “eventually” after he made his own choice to remove himself from his child’s life. It’s unclear whether he had already decided to move to another country at the point where his ex said she didn’t want their son knowing him. God knows how much bullshit she must have put up with to have gotten to the point of saying that.

However if he was really bothered about it, the option to pursue contact legally has been open to him all this time. However he’s been a bit busy to get around to it.

He has not really been prevented from being in his son’s life, no matter how much you want to pretend he has. He has made a choice to self-exclude.

FirmSnake · 14/10/2026 19:08

Yo808 · 14/10/2026 18:07

well he still a dad
he was blocked
in recovery
I wonder how many mums on here judge someone who feels like they have to leave but have dads at home that drink, or shout at toddlers like on the other thread. But that’s ok because they’re there. They should leave, sometimes it’s better not to be there.

Neither of those are ok. Both are bad fathers. We can and should judge both.