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Something really lovely ended after only a week, and I’m gutted.

839 replies

HelpMeComeToTermsWithThis · Yesterday 17:23

I know this probably sounds ridiculous, but I’m absolutely gutted over a man I only dated for about a week.

Im 38, had completely gone off dating. Happened to take a look on a dating app, spotted this handsome guy, and realised we actually lived really close by. He asked me out for dinner the following week but we ended up meeting for a cup of tea the following day and just clicked incredibly quickly. Spent 9 hours together that first meeting and there was loads of chemistry, we laughed constantly, and we both said there was something really lovely between us.

Met a few more times in the space of that week and it was just so lovely. The we went out at the weekend for dinner, had a few drinks and sexual history came up.

Mine is considerably more extensive and out there than his, and he struggled with it.

He has apparently always had an insecurity about his partners’ previous sexual partners. He has been cheated on in the past, and says it makes him feel inadequate.

He knows I’m trustworthy and has explicitly said he doesn’t think I would cheat. He also apparently knows that his reaction is an insecurity of his own.

He ultimately decided he couldn’t have a relationship with me because he knows the thoughts about my past would “fester”.

I tried to understand it and asked whether he thought this was something he could ever work through. He said he’d never really thought about it because he’d been married for so long, and that while he wasn’t happy to accept it, he was stubborn and probably wouldn’t work on it.

I gently said it seemed sad to let an insecurity make the decision without ever challenging it but he seems to have closed the door.

And that was it.

I know I need to accept that he has made his decision. I’m not going to chase him. But I’m really struggling with it because it felt so rare to meet someone where the connection was that immediate, and it hurts enormously to think that something about my past has ultimately cost me someone I really liked.

I don’t need to be told that I should be grateful I dodged a bullet. I’m just really sad and wanted to let it out. Tell me the things I probably need to hear right now.

OP posts:
Venicelagoon · Today 11:07

Are you including Richard Tice and Nigel Farage as "numbsculls" ? What has Reform abd migrants to do with this post ?

AssassinsEyebrow · Today 11:07

MoonLight321 · Today 11:02

Well because we're human and we judge people for all sorts of reasons, especially things that are beyond normal or average.

You really wouldn't judge a 50 stone guy stuffing his face in a restaurant?
You wounldn't judge a twitchy guy in rags with needle marks all over their arm?
You wouldn't judge someone outside a hospital door chain smoking whilst hawking up their lungs?

Of course you would. if you didn't certainly the majority of people would.

I don't judge them, though, not as less-worthy. Is that really so unusual?

I've not lived their lives and I know there are many reasons why people find themselves engaging in acts of self harm.

AgileWriter · Today 11:07

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something2say · Today 11:10

Hello OP.

I am glad you're feeling better today. I have read all of your updates.

Telling sexual history and old stories was something I used to do, but probably no more.

Reason is - I have met and married a super hot man. I did it, found him, because I was following a dating coach who used the concept of 'ten out of ten'. Previously I'd settled for seven out of ten and then wondered why I left them. Anyway 'ten out of ten' relationships do not bring the idea of others into their new relationship.

Initially, I found myself wanting to share with my husband - and he did with me - and we both found that we felt a bit shit afterwards. We were like you, just sharing and baring our souls and talking about our life journeys. But there are some things I didn't need to hear about him, nor him about me, and we came to see it and realised that it harms our relationship.

So massive feminist that I am, I do not tell my husband about times I had sex with other men or men I fancy or when men chat me up etc. These stories remain in my heart, and the relationship we build together is one where we are everything to each other, and do not have images each other with other people. We want to feel secure with each other and that doesn't mean 100% honesty over my orgasm high score and who with.

And FWIW, I reckon you will hear from him again, and I reckon if you do, you will deliberately gloss over stories that might harm the connection...its a funny old world isn't it.

HollyhocksandPeons · Today 11:11

Cherrytree86 · Today 11:05

because ‘real’ men want women who are chaste and virginal, isn’t that right @AgileWriter

Ideally both men and women should be chaste and virginal when they marry and discover the joys of sex together. But unfortunately we do not live in an ideal world. Unless we talk about 2nd marriages when both man and woman are much older. It did not work out for me this way, unfortunately, but I wish it did.

ThatCyanCat · Today 11:17

HollyhocksandPeons · Today 11:11

Ideally both men and women should be chaste and virginal when they marry and discover the joys of sex together. But unfortunately we do not live in an ideal world. Unless we talk about 2nd marriages when both man and woman are much older. It did not work out for me this way, unfortunately, but I wish it did.

Nothing like screaming at sexually active women on the internet to suggest you'd be a great one to discover the joys of sex with, hm?

Switchnow · Today 11:21

AgileWriter · Today 09:27

Is not a degenerate swinging empowered girlboss and has accountability and decent standards

MuSt bE a MAn!

If a professional woman is a ‘girl boss’ is a professional man a ‘boy boss’?

sunnyfeet · Today 11:22

Cherrytree86 · Today 10:32

@AgileWriter

what should Op do now then do you think? Join a nunnery? She’s clearly never gonna get a husband, no self respecting man would even considering marrying her would they

No need to join a convent, just maybe keep a few details to herself in future

AssassinsEyebrow · Today 11:24

something2say · Today 11:10

Hello OP.

I am glad you're feeling better today. I have read all of your updates.

Telling sexual history and old stories was something I used to do, but probably no more.

Reason is - I have met and married a super hot man. I did it, found him, because I was following a dating coach who used the concept of 'ten out of ten'. Previously I'd settled for seven out of ten and then wondered why I left them. Anyway 'ten out of ten' relationships do not bring the idea of others into their new relationship.

Initially, I found myself wanting to share with my husband - and he did with me - and we both found that we felt a bit shit afterwards. We were like you, just sharing and baring our souls and talking about our life journeys. But there are some things I didn't need to hear about him, nor him about me, and we came to see it and realised that it harms our relationship.

So massive feminist that I am, I do not tell my husband about times I had sex with other men or men I fancy or when men chat me up etc. These stories remain in my heart, and the relationship we build together is one where we are everything to each other, and do not have images each other with other people. We want to feel secure with each other and that doesn't mean 100% honesty over my orgasm high score and who with.

And FWIW, I reckon you will hear from him again, and I reckon if you do, you will deliberately gloss over stories that might harm the connection...its a funny old world isn't it.

Didn't know dating coaches existed! Who is this genius??

Switchnow · Today 11:25

AgileWriter · Today 10:45

You call it self harm, I call it self respect.

Self respecting people don’t usually feel the need to lash out at others, in my experience, because they’re content with themselves and their choices.

PineConeOrDogPoo · Today 11:26

I always find it amusing how men complain their wives are not sufficiently interested in sex years after being married. You later hear they picked women with fewer partners (so THEY don't have to feel insecure or inadequate.) These were women who could "restrain themselves ".

Basically it's they not much to do with restraint, it's mostly these women simply turn out to have a lower sex drive than average.

Women like OP who make fabulous sexual partners and have no issues with staying faithful get rejected when these are the very women who would give them a long term satisfactory sex life.

The same seems to go for people who are overweight. They have a great appetite and are fun to cook for. But the downside is of course they struggle to not eat too much. It just seems you get the whole package when you choose a person.

Minasama · Today 11:29

Suszieq · Today 07:55

@HelpMeComeToTermsWithThis there may be a lot of reasons this has come to an end and he may very well be turned of with the sexual history.
BUT A CRUICIAL CRUCIAL RULE IS: Do NOT do long dates so early!! It almost always kills whatever is growing. almost always. Yes some people go into to marry about one 9 hour date…but it almost always kills the connection. Do not engineer false intimacy so soon - false intimacy comes from too much time spent together and sex.
YOU will bond with him if you engineer it so early but he WONT.
I think you said you also saw him for coffee the next day? Then had a 9 hour meeting then went for a meal??????
You saw him too many times in just one week. Great bonding for you, but men don’t bond that way. In the beginning things need to be short and sweet. A date once a week and for no more than 2 hours.
i know these rules sound ridiculous but it protects you and your feelings and allows you to get to know someone through TIME. Because look, you’re cut up about it now. Also it actually allows the guy to get to know you and develop feelings for you.

This is such a weird message. Don’t spend time with a man? Agree it doesn’t have to be sexual but you aren’t going to
bond at all if you don’t spend time together. Not will you find out that you are not suited.

Baselpls · Today 11:30

He used this as an excuse to finish it I reckon

Switchnow · Today 11:30

AgileWriter · Today 10:23

It’s the patriarchy in the room with us?
Women judge other women too. I don’t think encouraging certain behaviours is liberating or empowering. In fact, I believe it’s self-sabotaging.
My point to OP was, you’ve been given the wrong advice by what you perceive as helpful/supporting women, when in reality they’re lying to you.
And more broadly, the value system that you think applies to relationships and “worth” is completely skewed.
We all find fulfilment in different things, and you do you, but society at large applies a value system that doesn’t take into consideration your education and societal status as a woman as much as other traits (hint: not getting railed by 80 swinging men or doing 1000+ Bonnie Blue stunts).

‘What’s patriarchy?’

Literally describes the key component of patriarchy.

Sunbringer · Today 11:30

HollyhocksandPeons · Today 11:11

Ideally both men and women should be chaste and virginal when they marry and discover the joys of sex together. But unfortunately we do not live in an ideal world. Unless we talk about 2nd marriages when both man and woman are much older. It did not work out for me this way, unfortunately, but I wish it did.

That sounds like a great way for people to get divorced because they’re sexually incompatible

Minasama · Today 11:32

AgileWriter · Today 10:42

Well, that depends.
There is somebody for everybody. There are “men” around that would consider OP and accept her for what she is, I’m sure. Just not as many as you think.
I’m not saying that OP should change the way she is/thinks/acts or be less genuine or lie/deceive, on the contrary.
All I’m saying is that the way she is has made her less appealing to the broad men audience.
If she wants to work on herself she can, more power to her. If she wants to carry on, also fine, it’s up to her.
I’m not the one being judgemental here, I’m the one being honest. The ones that are in bad faith, are the ones that are calling out the man’s behaviour as a red flag when that’s statistically the most likely outcome.

I’m with you. If this is what OP likes surely it will work best to be with a man who likes this as well. How could you possibly settle for once a week with a man who’s had a few serious relationships when you’ve been used to so much more adventure? (I’m the opposite, it would frighten me as I need an emotional connection. But we’re all different.)

Switchnow · Today 11:33

PineConeOrDogPoo · Today 11:26

I always find it amusing how men complain their wives are not sufficiently interested in sex years after being married. You later hear they picked women with fewer partners (so THEY don't have to feel insecure or inadequate.) These were women who could "restrain themselves ".

Basically it's they not much to do with restraint, it's mostly these women simply turn out to have a lower sex drive than average.

Women like OP who make fabulous sexual partners and have no issues with staying faithful get rejected when these are the very women who would give them a long term satisfactory sex life.

The same seems to go for people who are overweight. They have a great appetite and are fun to cook for. But the downside is of course they struggle to not eat too much. It just seems you get the whole package when you choose a person.

Edited

Exactly this! As they say, patriarchy hurts men too and if a man is so insecure he struggles to imagine a relationship with someone sexually experienced, he’ll only ever have relationships with women who are not. Which might be great if they’re women who were voracious within a small number of relationships. But it’s a bit of a gamble.

ITMA2000 · Today 11:35

WerewolfOfLoudon · Yesterday 17:39

He slut shamed you. That's the honest truth you need to hear. He is not a good man.

He may have even got off on hearing about your past relationships, even more likely he got off on making you feel bad about them.

There is absolutely no need to have this discussion a week into knowing someone. Ever.

He slut shamed you.
This is just the way 'conventional' people criticize Bonnie Blue. No one has the right to dictate how others live or make their living. Bonnie is now a millionaire and a role model on social media.

Baselpls · Today 11:35

I see this as a man who wasn’t keen on taking this forward and so used this as an excuse.

Daisywhatsyouranswer · Today 11:36

PineConeOrDogPoo · Today 11:26

I always find it amusing how men complain their wives are not sufficiently interested in sex years after being married. You later hear they picked women with fewer partners (so THEY don't have to feel insecure or inadequate.) These were women who could "restrain themselves ".

Basically it's they not much to do with restraint, it's mostly these women simply turn out to have a lower sex drive than average.

Women like OP who make fabulous sexual partners and have no issues with staying faithful get rejected when these are the very women who would give them a long term satisfactory sex life.

The same seems to go for people who are overweight. They have a great appetite and are fun to cook for. But the downside is of course they struggle to not eat too much. It just seems you get the whole package when you choose a person.

Edited

I really don’t think I agree your logic.

find the most promiscuous woman you can so you have a better chance of her wanting to shag you when she’s older? And that having fewer partners means a low sex drive,? Not long term relationships or being discerning over who she shags?

and you should marry a fat person as they are fun to cook for?

Laurmolonlabe · Today 11:37

I agree lying is a problem,but telling him your whole sexual history lesson than a week is is a bit too in your face.

AssassinsEyebrow · Today 11:38

Switchnow · Today 11:25

Self respecting people don’t usually feel the need to lash out at others, in my experience, because they’re content with themselves and their choices.

Respect for oneself but not for others...

Switchnow · Today 11:40

AssassinsEyebrow · Today 11:38

Respect for oneself but not for others...

I’m not even sure it’s that. Regard for oneself, definitely - pp has that in buckets! - but respect is a bit more seasoned.

HollyhocksandPeons · Today 11:43

Switchnow · Today 11:25

Self respecting people don’t usually feel the need to lash out at others, in my experience, because they’re content with themselves and their choices.

Sorry, is it only the depraved who are allowed to lash out at normality by using words like 'vanilla', 'incel', 'repressed', etc.?

Why is calling dirt dirt and white white lashing out?

People on here are anonymous - therefore no personal attacks, only critique of ideas, ways of life, ideologies - what is wrong with expressing a dissenting opinion?

localnotail · Today 11:43

Pinkypromise43 · Today 08:33

Did you read someone say otherwise?

Yes, a lot of people on here say you have to disclose your "body count" - which is ridiculous.