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There We Are Then - part 4, but episode 278946, probably.

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mummy917 · 30/08/2026 21:58

For anyone who is still offering messages of hope, wisdom and general loveliness 🥰

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Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 12/10/2026 11:51

It sounds to me as if you aimed a few more barbs accurately at him than he was expecting on Friday night. You may not think so, but I think you defended yourself quite well. I seem to remember in the past, you would just not respond, or curl up in a little ball and accept all his criticisms because he convinced you he was right. You're not allowing him to do that to you all the time, and you're surprising him. Well done! Although I still think generally, grey rock and no response to his criticisms is the way to go for you, I'm glad you didn't take his crap lying down.

anotheruser124 · 12/10/2026 11:53

mummy917 · 12/10/2026 08:11

Yeah I will definitely be going back to the grey rock approach. He tried to call me last night when I was doing baths and bedtime but I chose not to answer. Instead I asked him what was wrong for him to ring and his response was “I just needed to speak to you about something”, so I told him to put it in a text which he still hasn’t.

I am feeling slightly better today and a little bit stronger. I am just about to go on the school run before I head to work for more training. The year soon rolls around 🤣

This is perfect and definitely the way forward. What he wanted to do was be rude more, obviously has thought of some comebacks and wanted to go for round 2! Not giving him that chance is the best thing.

If he keeps trying to call perhaps say calls escalate so text is best going forwards so we can keep the conversation focused on the kids.

Freeyourmind · 12/10/2026 12:43

He won't want to put all the abuse in writing to you, that's why avoiding the conversation regulates his behaviour towards you.

Beware of getting dragged back in when he suggests "I'd much prefer us to get along and just be able to have conversations blah blah". He won't like you taking control.

He won't change, you already have.

regista · 12/10/2026 14:24

mummy917 · 12/10/2026 11:42

Thank you everyone, I know when he calls me controlling etc, it’s because he can never face up to the fact that I had to organise all of our lives because he just couldn’t be arsed to have any input into it.

I already follow Jess on Instagram and have found her page helpful! It’s crazy how these men get what they’ve asked for but it still isn’t enough for them.

When I spoke to him on the phone on Friday and he was pulling me apart, I did say to him that the biggest problem I had in our marriage is that I wanted him around, involved in family things and that he has somehow turned that into me being controlling. Funnily enough, he shut up at that point too.

You’re smashing this OP. Throwing back an alternative to the controlling narrative has shown him that his labels aren’t working and he likely was trying to call you back to have a second go. Avoiding the call was a boss move. If you have to talk to him be ready to either grey rock or spit out some truth and end the conversation quick. It will drive him crazy. I also know what you are saying about the rugby kit - it’s the kids who will suffer. Don’t drop it though - keep reminding him that it’s 50 50 in name only as he doesn’t pay his way and dumps the kids on his mum.

GrumpyButOk · 12/10/2026 14:26

mummy917 · 12/10/2026 08:11

Yeah I will definitely be going back to the grey rock approach. He tried to call me last night when I was doing baths and bedtime but I chose not to answer. Instead I asked him what was wrong for him to ring and his response was “I just needed to speak to you about something”, so I told him to put it in a text which he still hasn’t.

I am feeling slightly better today and a little bit stronger. I am just about to go on the school run before I head to work for more training. The year soon rolls around 🤣

He knows he can get to you when he is free to say what he likes in person or on the phone. He may suspect you keep his messages, and whether he is prepared to admit it or not, he does know on some level that what he is doing would be viewed as unacceptable by anyone else. He really doesn't want you to be able to retain proof of his bullying, controlling behaviour, so he's going to keep trying to draw you into these phone coversations. Hang in there with the "written messages only" approach OP. You are winning this.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 12/10/2026 14:45

AllIneedAreMyFamilyandDogs · 11/10/2026 21:43

So every time you ask him about paying his share he is using the attack/argue approach to change the topic. He's picking on you to avoid the topic of his financial responsibility. He should be giving you an answer about paying his share, not deflecting and attacking. That says a lot about him, nothing bad about you.

I was going to say the same,
He's using his tried and tested technique of ignoring what he doesn't want to discuss and turning it into an attack on you.
Hateful. OMG he is such an abusive pig.

I know its been said before but its NOT you @mummy917 It is most definitely him.

You've been left asking, Could you have done more? Well.. only if you'd bowed down before him and agreed with every single comment/instruction. Even that would'nt have been good enough for him.
But thank god you didn't because your children need you. Despite what you've been going through, you've always maintained a sense of fairness and have put your children first. Every single time. Unlike him.

Keep up the texting. Don't give that spiteful man any more chances to lash out at you, with the view that he's maybe getting used to the situation and would behave like a decent human being. He's never going to stop being so selfish and self centred.
When I read how much he was criticising and apportioning blame because you dared to ask him to pay for his son's rugby jumper (how very dare you!) It put me in mind of a duck that is gliding on the top of the water, without using his legs.. because he had his wife, paddling away with all her might... pushing him forwards to the best feeding spots whilst also rounding up the ducklings in a neat safe row, trying to do everything, whilst the duck quacks "faster, do better."

You don't have to waste your energy on him anymore. He's got to work harder on himself ( Good!) but he resents this so much because whilst he was gliding along with you as the engine... he had absolutely no idea how hard it was, how much effort it took, and now he's the one with the rude awakening .. and because he's got zero empathy and zero self awareness, he's reacted by taking it out on you. Unjustly.
I hate the idea that he's planted that he will explain to the children when they are old enough that it's all your fault. What a pathetic and poisonous idea... and once again he displays for all to see, his absolute lack of concern or understanding of what is best for his children.

Your children will know, even if they may not show it, who the parent looking out for them is, they will know, who the selfless, caring parent is.

I feel bad that you feel you will be blamed by your son for lack of rugby jumper. I'm not an expert, but I think at 10 he is old enough to say something to him, instead of letting him think that his DF is a paragon of virtue.. but there may be wiser heads along with better advice on that... because I understand that you don't want to get into a tit for tat scenario on that.. but I can understand why that feels awful because what he's really saying is that he can influence your son to behave like himself and hate you. But you must know, that won't happen. I feel your children will know who is looking out for them and caring for them. He's showing what a small and petty man he really is, if he wants to use the children for his selfish revenge. Children aren't fools. They will pick up on his attitude and they already know that you love them and can be relied on.

Also. Just because he makes these threats, doesn't mean that the DC will believe them. They will probably have plenty of evidence of times when he says things he doesn't mean, makes promises he breaks and by then will be used to taking what he says with a large pinch of salt. I've noticed with my adult DC that they don't much care, or don't really think about events that happened decades ago anyway. But they do remember that they were and are loved. as yours will x.

harriethoyle · 12/10/2026 15:04

@mummy917 it might be worth you looking into parenting apps like AppClose or Our Family Wizard. You can't delete any messages from them and so when both parents use them it tends to mean the conversation is more respectful because of the knowledge whatever you type is kept for all eternity...

AcrossthePond55 · 12/10/2026 15:07

mummy917 · 12/10/2026 11:42

Thank you everyone, I know when he calls me controlling etc, it’s because he can never face up to the fact that I had to organise all of our lives because he just couldn’t be arsed to have any input into it.

I already follow Jess on Instagram and have found her page helpful! It’s crazy how these men get what they’ve asked for but it still isn’t enough for them.

When I spoke to him on the phone on Friday and he was pulling me apart, I did say to him that the biggest problem I had in our marriage is that I wanted him around, involved in family things and that he has somehow turned that into me being controlling. Funnily enough, he shut up at that point too.

@mummy917

It’s crazy how these men get what they’ve asked for but it still isn’t enough for them.

Classic "be careful what you wish for, you may get it". But you know, I think for a lot of them it's not that they didn't get what they wished for, it's that the women they left realized afterwards that they got what they wished for, too. They just didn't realize they were wishing for it. A life of their own with freedom and peace in their homes.

And that really pisses off the men who left them. The women they left were supposed to pine and mourn and live in sad 'poverty' for the rest of their days, because their misery is how the man measures his own 'happiness'. That these women are thriving and loving life is a slap in the face to the men who left them.

Your DH measures his own happiness that way. That's another one of the reasons he has to tear you down and try to make you unhappy. It's also one of the reasons he won't meet his financial obligations to his children. He can't bear to see you thriving, well employed, and contented in your new life and so he's not able to measure his happiness against your UNhappiness. Or rather, when he tries he sees that you are truly better off without him. Oh, how that must sting!!!

DinoDoughnut81 · 12/10/2026 15:26

I think he's probably lashing out as well because he's vastly underestimated the practicalities, like how much more expensive it is to live as a single household. All those bills you used to split, now paying alone. Rent, council tax. He probably imagined a bachelor lifestyle spending all his money on tattoos, concerts, holidays and whatever else he gets up to on his Fridays that's so important.
He has made his life more complicated and more expensive. He now has to think about things he never had to before because it was all taken care of.
He now has "baggage". He hasn't simplified his life in the way he thought he would. He really hasn't realised that he has to step up more now than he did previously. He's struggling I imagine and expects another woman, his mother to cover most of childcare for free. That may not go on forever and then that will be another cost to him. He hasn't walked away into the single man lifestyle he thought he would so he's angry and being a dick.

PyongyangKipperbang · 12/10/2026 15:34

Yep, he got what he asked for and doesnt like how it tastes. Oh dear.

MaryBeery · 12/10/2026 16:10

harriethoyle · 12/10/2026 15:04

@mummy917 it might be worth you looking into parenting apps like AppClose or Our Family Wizard. You can't delete any messages from them and so when both parents use them it tends to mean the conversation is more respectful because of the knowledge whatever you type is kept for all eternity...

She's suggested that before, and he refuses to use them.

AnotherBretonTop · 12/10/2026 17:26

I think you are doing wonderfully and it is clear your children are your number one priority.

I’ve been thinking about the rugby kit. Is there a WhatsApp group for the team? If kit is not returned could you not write a post along the lines of ‘Whoops, Dad hasn’t returned it so DS is unable to play this week unless Dad can drop it off at the club in time for the game. There we are then, will you do this as DS doesn’t want to let his team down? Thanks so much’

I’m sure he would hate this slur against his dad of the year facade.

mummy917 · 12/10/2026 18:55

I actually mentioned to him in our phone call on Friday, just how much of the mental load I took on and that since he left, I haven’t particularly noticed a difference in that aspect of things. Because it’s true. If anything, I find it much smoother.

There is a rugby WhatsApp group so I could do that if he forgets the kit. But I’d be prepared for some not so polite, private texts from him outside of the group chat.

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sunnyfeet · 12/10/2026 19:00

He hasn't walked away into the single man lifestyle he thought he would so he's angry and being a dick.

Absolutely this. Four children 50/50 on your own is no walk in the park. His choice though.

ItsCloudyToday · 12/10/2026 19:19

Yeah, he 100% was stewing over what you said to him on Friday, spent the weekend thinking about some comebacks and was calling you to start the argument again. Vile man. Well done for holding firm and not giving him the opportunity. Whatever it was can’t have been that important if you’ve not heard from him since.

ItsCloudyToday · 12/10/2026 19:21

mummy917 · 12/10/2026 18:55

I actually mentioned to him in our phone call on Friday, just how much of the mental load I took on and that since he left, I haven’t particularly noticed a difference in that aspect of things. Because it’s true. If anything, I find it much smoother.

There is a rugby WhatsApp group so I could do that if he forgets the kit. But I’d be prepared for some not so polite, private texts from him outside of the group chat.

If he texts you with abuse, there’s no law that says you have to answer him 😉 He has no power over you now, fuck him 🖕

ilikemethewayiam · 12/10/2026 19:43

Please stop sharing your thoughts and feelings with him @mummy917 . He’s a narcissist. Every time you do, you are handing him bullets to shoot you with. I know you are still searching for a flicker of humanity in him but it’s not there for you. He detests you because in his eyes you are the reason for all his failings. As PP says he no longer has any power over you. Let him get angry!. Ignore his calls and texts. If he gets abusive or threatening. Speak to your solicitor. My friends ex and MIL were vile to her when they split. They both slagged her off to the children. She went to her solicitor who sent a cease and desist letter (I think that’s what it’s called). The letter warned them that slagging off a parent to or in front of children is a form of child abuse which will land them in trouble! They both stopped immediately. As mentioned many times, keep a record of everything and if you have to go down that route then so be it. Funnily enough in my friends situation it gave her ex a bit of a shock seeing it in writing that he was ‘seen’ and actually it took a long while but they actually began getting on better & co-parenting well. Not saying this will happen in your case but it might pull him up on his behaviour enough to co-parent reasonably.

Bobcurlygirl · 12/10/2026 20:47

You have this Op. Just stay strong and don't let him get to you. I think as well as realising how hard child care is, he expected you to be one of those Victorian widows walking round in black and mourning when you haven't been at all. You were cleverly out early one morning when he wanted to drop then early (I know you were in Tesco but even so) and hopefully a few xmas drinks do type thing as it gets to December with friends /colleagues. I don't suppose these mysterious 5am friends who can't help move a wardrobe will see him.
Keep it to texts as this will annoy him that he can't abuse you more. Good luck x

PyongyangKipperbang · 13/10/2026 02:16

The trick when he starts ranting is to let him. Just scroll MN or something until you hear him say "Aren't you going to say anything?" or similar. Then you respond "So, when are you going to pay your half of the rugby kit?" and then he rants again about you starting another row...."So when are you going to pay your half of the rugby kit?" until he calls you a fucking bitch and hangs up.

Winds them up something chronic, I got quite a few abusive texts after doing that to my ex, which he regretted later!

mummy917 · 13/10/2026 06:48

I’m feeling much better again today and have decided to work a little half shift in between the school and nursery runs so I’m starting at 10 and finishing at 4 (my parents have said they’d pick up the eldest 2 from school).

He knows how upset I was at the start and how upset I have continued to be over the last 6 months (although this has lessened over time). I’m not sure what he expected me to do. It’s not like I had much other alternative than to keep on going because 4 little people rely on me.

Slightly off topic but I interestingly saw another thread on here the other day about someone wondering if she should get involved with a single dad of 4. I wondered if it was There We Are Then, until she said he had them to 2 different women. Everything else sounded like him to a tee 🤣

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TheBoolahBus · 13/10/2026 06:49

mummy917 · 12/10/2026 08:11

Yeah I will definitely be going back to the grey rock approach. He tried to call me last night when I was doing baths and bedtime but I chose not to answer. Instead I asked him what was wrong for him to ring and his response was “I just needed to speak to you about something”, so I told him to put it in a text which he still hasn’t.

I am feeling slightly better today and a little bit stronger. I am just about to go on the school run before I head to work for more training. The year soon rolls around 🤣

Christ on a bike his mates wives are telling all of their husbands not to turn into him. just look at how tragic he is. He has become a cautionary tale he just hasn’t twigged it.

Givemeausernamepls · 13/10/2026 07:10

mummy917 · 11/10/2026 11:36

Thank you, everything you are all saying makes a lot of sense and is true, but I have struggled since Friday to get past what he said. I told him that he has put me and the kids through so much in the last 6 months and his response was “I have done what has been the right thing and when they’re older, they’ll understand why I left.” He literally has the power to make me out to be this awful person to the kids when they are older, and if I try to defend myself, I am told I am just making excuses. He will come out on top every time, because he will always make sure he does.

You are awfully hard on yourself, you have come so far and are doing so well. A little kindness and grace would go along way).

I would knock the conversations on the head. Even at handover you don’t need to do more than be cheerful and polite for the sake of the kids. Anything you need to tell him can be sent over text.

I think your ex is finding out his grass was never greener, he doesn’t have want extra money and he’s had to do more domestic labour than ever before, even propped up by his Mum!

anotheruser124 · 13/10/2026 09:55

Freeyourmind · 12/10/2026 12:43

He won't want to put all the abuse in writing to you, that's why avoiding the conversation regulates his behaviour towards you.

Beware of getting dragged back in when he suggests "I'd much prefer us to get along and just be able to have conversations blah blah". He won't like you taking control.

He won't change, you already have.

This is true and I imagine he will try and start it again face to face so I would prepare a way to block that before any face to face contact.

Crumbelina · 13/10/2026 10:19

mummy917 · 13/10/2026 06:48

I’m feeling much better again today and have decided to work a little half shift in between the school and nursery runs so I’m starting at 10 and finishing at 4 (my parents have said they’d pick up the eldest 2 from school).

He knows how upset I was at the start and how upset I have continued to be over the last 6 months (although this has lessened over time). I’m not sure what he expected me to do. It’s not like I had much other alternative than to keep on going because 4 little people rely on me.

Slightly off topic but I interestingly saw another thread on here the other day about someone wondering if she should get involved with a single dad of 4. I wondered if it was There We Are Then, until she said he had them to 2 different women. Everything else sounded like him to a tee 🤣

I read that same thread about the single Dad of 4. I love the fact that the general consensus was "Run for the hills!" And "Hell, no!" 😄

Sussexserpents · 13/10/2026 10:30

Crumbelina · 13/10/2026 10:19

I read that same thread about the single Dad of 4. I love the fact that the general consensus was "Run for the hills!" And "Hell, no!" 😄

Mr Twat will definitely be on the hunt for a nanny with a fanny though! She will have had his woe is me story and taken in hook line and sinker

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