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Glam & Fab Part 6 - The Summer of Discontent

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Tanee58 · 25/06/2008 10:12

Hope you all find your way onto this new one !

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Tanee58 · 04/07/2008 14:52

PC Hi - glad to have you back. DD and I watched Glas on TV and wondered if you were at the TingTings gig - it looked great and DD can't wait to go (next year, she hopes).

Wouldn't know what to advise you on MMR - DD got through them ok - but if your DD had a bad reaction previously, I'd share your misgivings.

Baffy, no slaps here - go with your feelings as long as you stand up for what's right for you and DS

Dior - well done! You have inspired me despite your sideburns!. I walked all the way home on Wednesday - took only an hour and a half!!!! Felt fine then but suffered the next day from wobby legs . Still, I intend to do it again today, though I can cut a bit of time (and the worst hill) by skirting round the bottom of Alexandra Palace Park instead of climbing up through the Park. Think I perhaps shouldn't overdo it at once but it still gives me a good 2 miles walk (hope I don't get mugged). (Incidentally, since I live so near Ally Pally, I will be at the Knitting & Stitching Show Dior, so if you are going on the Thursday or Friday, we could meet up? Shall register my interest on that thread...)

Ginny and UC, like the new names - very upbeat (though Ginny, I actually rather liked yours .

Have to go now - another mad day in the office and did surgery this morning - WHAT a series of traumas but seeing other people's problems at first hand makes me realise how lucky I really am!

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Baffy · 04/07/2008 18:12

Just checking in

Dior I'm so happy reading your posts lately you being so positive is lovely and really helps lift my spirits too! More good news on here is what we need.

I had a lovely day with H and ds. I felt that I wanted to talk about things but it just didn't feel like the right time. I feel like there's so much I want to say/ask though. And I get so little time with him with him having 2 jobs and us living apart.
It's difficult. But one day at a time hey

Hope you all have a lovely weekend

ladylush · 04/07/2008 18:24

PC - ds had single measles jab recently. No previous bad reactions to jabs but family history of auto-immune disease and I just didn't want to risk it tbh. Follow your instincts. There is a good book on jabs by Halvorsen (you can google it). Could also send it to you if you like and you could return it to me when you've finished reading it. Haven't got facebook but went off into a daydream reading about you and your campervan. Bliss

Baffy - hope she does move away. Agree that you shouldn't move away from friends and family (didn't know they were local). Hope you get the evidence you deserve. I think there is hope if he is committed to being with you. I know someone who split up with her boyfriend(wasn't supposed to be a permanent separation), he then went out with someone else who got pregnant and he married her . They got back together though and they are now married with two children and are happy. The son he had with the ow is close to her girls and she treats him as her own. Relations with the ow were stiff at first but they get on really well now. ow was a bunny boiler to begin with, but gave up when she realised he wasn't going to come back to her. I am still very much in admiration of you at the way you are handling this awful situation - here's some virtual hugs OOOO

Dior - forgot to say well done on the excellent weight loss. That is a really good loss TFM could be right in that with your new project of weight loss, the craft is less of a focus.

Lilyloo - saw that thread but didn't notice she had changed your name. We'll see what she has to say if she is ever cheated on. If she did change the spelling of your name, she is indeed very stupid. My 4 year old is into toilet humour at the moment, don't expect it from an adult!

I'm going for lunch and a pedicure with my friend tomorrow.Might just have to have a couple of glasses of vino too

macdoodle · 04/07/2008 19:37

oh god hi guys sorry am so tired feel dead - 10 hour busy day - baby has cold and teething so not a lot of sleep last night and though she has gone down now can hear her sniffling and snuffling poor baby
Something to eat drag my big girl in for bath then both to bed - will catch up promise...Baffy and PC will email soon - waves in tired busy mad life to everyone else .....got so much to say as well
Nighty night

DiornaNoble · 04/07/2008 20:15

McD - hope you get some good rest tonight.

Another good day on the diet wagon! I made a FAB smoothie with 1 mango, 7 strawberries, a large banana, a splash of pineapple juice and 1.5 points worth of raspberry sorbet. It was really tasty and sort of 'desserty' at the same time.

Tanee - yes, I am most likely going to the show on that thread. I would love to see you there. Obviously, it depends on what day all the crafty lot go as I really would like to meet them and share my body hair problem.... Nothing to say I can't go twice though, if the days don't coincide. Yes, do sign up on the thread.

Baffy - so glad you seem a little happier. Take each day as it comes and see ehat happens. I'm glad to be an inspiration to you, although I don't feel inspiring!

lilyloo · 04/07/2008 20:56

mm Dior sounds lovely

Baffy so glad you had good day. Did you see my good news i got a pack of 'lovehearts off dp yesterday
Maybe you just need to start enjoying each others company again for a bit. Sometimes think it's unfair that the ow get's to be all nicey nice and easy going while we have to sort out issues which they see as 'nagging'. Maybe just don't talk about it for a while and see how things go. That doesn't mean you have to forget it but just that you deserve some nice days and it's them that will help h rather than sticking his head in the sand when you want to discuss things.

LL i know i think ds may have found it mildly amusing although dp did . Until i started telling him how i came to meet her and subject of thread, he would have jumped out of the window given half a chance He def can't discuss anything to do with 'that'. Have lovely lunch and at least two glasses

Tannee did you manage the walk ?

McD so sorry for lo , hope she get's better soon. You sound so exhausted hope the early night does the trick and lo not waking you up too much. DD is such a bad sleeper so know where you coming from but weaning seems to be helping a bit.

Hope everyone else ok busy weekend here with dc's two partys tom nd then dd1 in her first ballet show on Sunday. Have nice weekend.

Cashncarry · 04/07/2008 22:25

Hi guys - just thought I would pop in and say hello very briefly while my courage is with me. I've developed a little PC phobia in the past few months which has meant I could barely lurk let alone manage to post or even send emails!

Things are okay - well, sort of and sort of not but I'm trying to keep abreast of all the demands of life, as are we all I guess...

It's so lovely to read all the positive posts on this thread - everyone seems much more in control of their heads and dealing proactively with their traumas rather than letting them rule their lives. Once again, I'm in awe of strength shown by TFM, Baffy, Baffy, Ginny, Macdoodle, Dior, Lilyloo et al - you guys seem to have turned your lives around by sheer strength of will - it's pretty amazing

Sorry if I've missed anyone off the list and hello to the new guys too - I'm about three or four threads behind so someone will have to catch me up later

Anyway, I'll be trying to lurk a bit more and am gathering some willpower by osmosis! BTW, anyone heard from Ernest or Lilybubble? I was wondering how they were getting on - shouldn't Ernest be popping her new sprog soon?? Hope she's okay and thinking of all of the rest of you xx

ladylush · 04/07/2008 22:50

Lily - congrats on your pack of sweethearts Seriously though, it's not always the expensive gestures that mean a lot. Plus lovehearts are very tasty lol at your dp and his reaction to the subject of the thread [evil grin]

MacD - sorry your lo is ill. Hope she gets better soon. You've had more than your fair share of crap. I don't know how I would've coped dealing with all this and a new baby so hats off to you. Sorry your h is being such a [expletive x 100]

ladylush · 04/07/2008 22:53

Happywoman - how are you? Bit concerned as you haven't posted for a while.

HappyWoman · 05/07/2008 08:09

Hi everyone
I am still here but not being able to post or catch up much at the moment.

Mine have just finished for the summer so it has been a hectic week.

Also had to pack for my two older ones who are away now a week - bliss i am a normal family now .

We are off to legoland for weekend too so will not be back until monday.

Have a good weekend everyone and i will catch up then.
HW

TimeForMe · 05/07/2008 14:42

Hi everyone

Just popped in to wish everyone a good weekend but, especially to say to Lily, How lovely of DP to get you the lovehearts and isn't it daft how the little things they do mean so much to us. Sorry I'm late with this Lily, I was just falling asleep lst night when it came to me that I hadn't replied to you!

Well, I'm having a good weekend so far. Dp is being wonderful! He really is like a new man. I can feel the bricks I've built around my heart being taken down, it's nice but scary too. I'm am liking the slushy feeling of love though

Lots of love xxx

Dior · 05/07/2008 22:29

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UC · 06/07/2008 11:18

hello everyone.

Lily, love the lovehearts - so lovely. Perhaps the last thread title was better for you! And for TFM! Love your description of the bricks around your heart.

MacD hope LO is feeling better, and you're getting more sleep...

On injections, both mine had the MMR, no reaction at all. I find the whole idea of measles very scary, it's such a serious disease. But it's a very personal decision.

Dior, well done on the smoothie, and the hair cut... I just had all my hair chopped off yesterday too. Totally new style. Actually it's back to how it was before the children, when I had time to get it cut every 6 weeks... So I really feel back to the old, fun me, not the mummy, slightly dowdy me... Bet H will notice that too...

Had some contact. He rang Fri am to bring the boys back a little early, as DS1 was "desperate" to see me before pre-school. Bit of emotional blackmail. He had a coffee, said to DS1 that Mummy was being kind. Commented how tired he is, asked did I mind if he has the boys at her friend's - makes it easier for him and her he said (she has toddler on her own). I am all light and of course I don't mind, etc. He said he's knackered, all the travelling (work), children etc. - but did also say of course you won't care about that. Had to say, very calmly, well that was the bed you made. Then moved on. All v. civilised. Dropped in we are away this weekend at our close friends (with whom he hasn't even spoken, as they aren't returning his calls). He didn't even know they moved house last month, as they haven't told him. It's also their youngest's birthday this weekend. We used to spend a lot of time with them. Now only I do. He looked quite dejected.

Also rang me again later that morning with another random thing he "had" to tell me. TFM, you would be so proud, I really am being very calm, very cool and he does sound a bit sad when he speaks to me on the phone (although know I mustn't read anything into that, maybe just because he feels awkward).

TimeForMe · 06/07/2008 11:42

I am proud UC very proud! I bet the haircut has done you the world of good too. And you can also bet he will have noticed and that he will feel sad. And so he should! You keep up the fantastic work. You never know, at the end of all this you might not even want him back! xx

Hi to everyone else

ladylush · 06/07/2008 14:09

Good to hear from you HW and glad you've just been busy iyswim.

TFM - lovely to hear you doing 'slushy' I did read your old thread (which you sent a link to) and was surprised how much you appear to have changed since then.

Dior - glad you had time for yourself and had your hair cut/coloured

UC - well done on the dignified stance. Hope he comes to his senses before you change your mind. Glad you did something for you by getting your hair cut.

I have beautifully polished toe nails Went for my pedicure yesterday with my friend. We had some lunch at a French restaurant first and a bottle of Prosecco (shared), then a few Kir Royals after. Went back home slightly merry

UC · 06/07/2008 14:43

sounds like we all did things for ourselves yesterday... Haircut makes me feel totally different about myself - I remember who I used to be...

Dior · 06/07/2008 15:54

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TimeForMe · 06/07/2008 17:09

I have changed LL, such a lot. I feel like a different woman to the one I was then. I like myself now too

lilyloo · 06/07/2008 20:11

Thanks TFM, LL and UC dp very proud of himself now i just told him what a nice gesture you all thought it was at TFM thinking about it before bed !

UC you are doing such a wonderful job of keeping all of this so civilised i wish i had had the benefit of this lot when i found out rather than in the aftermath as i know i would have played things very differently! Sounds like you are doing all the right things though so keep it up!

TFM i am so pleased your posts have continued to be you really deserve it and i am sure whilst you are happier he must be too as the old 'freezer' p can't have been!

CNC so lovely to hear from you , sorry you seem to have been having a bad time of late hope you stick around and keep us all company

HW hope you had good time at legoland and the weather has been kind to you it's been raining none stop here!

Dior sounds lovely esp the 4 hours to yourself!

Ladylush glad you managed more than a glass

Well just been to dd's first ballet show and after spending £12 on costume £40 on tickets and then all the lessons and running around doing rehearsals she was on stage for all of 5 mins and didn't move but she looked dead cute!

macdoodle · 06/07/2008 21:28

Not good tonight am afraid - have had very long hard week with teething baby with a cold not sleeping - all by myself and working - tonight H rings tells me he is in A+E with OW and baby - baby is poorly (not life threatening but poorly none the less)....try as I might I could not dreg an ounce of sympathy for him or OW (or even baby really)....and I know that makes me a BAD PERSON
But how could I expect any less of him - she is his baby too she is poorly of course he needs to be there but to expect me to be caring and sympathetic, despite my great steps and release of a lot of my anger and bitterness I can't do it
When I asked him (somewhat curtly if he would be looking after my children tomorrow as is his day and I am in work)...he replied would have to see what happened....ashamed to say I got angry (didn't shout or cry though) and said I need to know as I work to pay the mortgage and bills and everything really and I need to know if he can look after my baby or not tonight as if not I need to ring CM now not in morning when I have to be in work
Am trying to keep a lid on my anger and hurt and very nasty thoughts about her manipulating situation - after all my head knows she would not wish her child ill for anything.....3 steps forward 2 steps back and I can't keep doing it

HappyWoman · 07/07/2008 10:30

Hi everyone
Its just taken me an hour to catch up with everything - and that was only scan reading so i may have missed some things.

Had a wonderful weekend - despite weather at legoland - it rained all day and we looked as stupid as everyone else in our yellow plastic bags . We had pre-booked with a hotel so we had to go anyway. But we proved ourselves british and enjoyed it anyway.

Lillyloo I too sometimes think i am bored of the 'normalness' of life now and sometimes question what my life could have been like. (i knew i wanted to be with h and have this life but i guess it is a bit like the what-ifs?). I sometimes wish i could go on a first date again - and it is hard to keep the spark in our daily lives - but the lovehearts sound lovely.

At the moment i seem to have so many reminders around me for no apparent reason (not dates or places as such). The other day i parked in a car park and when i returned the car next to mine had a personal number plate with her name . It seemed to spoil my day and i get cross with myself for thinking nasty things about it again ifswim. My lo also wants to call her dolly her name (it is hard to say how lovely darling through gritted teeth ).
I just wish there was some way i could block out all that time and memories.

McD - i can completly understand about the bitterness too - i still wish my ow ill from time to time too (and that is not the person i want to be at all).

Dior fantastic news about the weight - i have today decied to be good for as long as i can - we are going up to london this week so i know i wont stick to any diet as such, but i hope to just not worry too much and not go completly mad.
I am going to make a huge effort when the schools return because realistically i cant do much until then anyway. You do sound so much brighter already.

UC - you are doing so well - i have learnt so much from h since his affair and he says the fact that i did not go off at him too much did make a difference (he felt all the more guilty about it). He finally realised that ow was being very manipulitive too (and the fact that she tried to point out i was only doing it too 'keep' him). I think the fact that ow will often say the wife is a fool for staying says it all too - it seems ok for her to be with a lying ** then does it?
Keep it up and i am sure he does not really know what he wants at the moment - keep looking after yourself and even if you dont get the chance to get him back you will already be such a long way on your own journey anyway.

Baffy - he really does need to show you now that he means what he says - also do not be surprised or feel guilty if this is not what you want anymore - he can make you feel sorry for him but if what he is doing is not enough for you again that is his fault not yours. It can still work but he really does need to be 100% open and honest with you - it will not be easy for him either and you will have slip-ups. It took a long time for my h is fully understand that i NEEDED to know about ALL contact, however much that would have hurt me at the time. He did keep a few things from me at first and it was hard but now i believe he knows that if i find he has deliberately 'ommitted' something he is in big touble. As time has gone by i have not checked up on him as much anyway.
I cannot stop him ever doing this again - he knows i will survive without him, and he will make himself to look a complete fool anyway. But it is so very hard to trust again and like i have said before i am not sure you really do have to have complete trust - just an understanding and respect for each other, and why they are feeling the way they do.
I think as well baffy - you will not know exactly what you want until you KNOW you can have h again - and dont ever feel bad that you may later change your mind too. As LL said you cannot give him a guarentee that you will still want him - but you need to know she is well and truely out of the picture first.

PC - I too was unsure about the mmr - all my others had it but for some reason i just couldnt bring myself for dd. I delayed and delayed (which i also did not want to do - i have worked at Great Ormond street hopital and seen the dreadful effects of measles first hand).
She has now had it with no ill effects. I too did a lot of research and there are adverse reations to the single ones too so it really is a hard choice.
In the end i thought that at least with the triple is is only one needle which as they get older is better anyway and will not give them such a phobia of needles - especially as they have to have the pre-schools. Good luck whatever you decide to do it is a tricky one and as always will have the guilt anyway.

TFM i am always amazed at your stength - i really do hope i can find some for me. Going back to a previous question you asked me - DH is always willing to answer my questions and talk about the affair but i do think he is getting very tired of it too and feels that when he starts his new job he should not have to do as much. (he feels he has now done EVERYTHING he can), which he has but i still get angry when i think back and wish we had done things differently. And i know we cant change that now.

Anyway hi to everyone else - still have another busy week so may not get on much again but i am fine anyway.

PS - did get the supplements (bought them in Holland and Barrett - will look for cheaper if they work). Have taken a few at night - not sure when i will feel any effects but have already had some 'odd' dreams - not dark like when i am feeling low but very odd .

Tanee58 · 07/07/2008 11:04

Morning everyone, more later when I get a break, but for now

YES - I managed the walk and cut it down to 50 mins by cutting through the park (lovely sunny afternoon sunshine - remember that?). In my car today as had to pick up my nephew en route, but he and I will be walking together on Weds/Thurs .

Dior, hope to see you at the show. We all have body hair problems, but must admit yours is the worst i've seen (says she whilst stroking her goatie beard...)

DP home briefly - went to his show and got soaked - actually had to stop the show for the first time in my experience as a groupie. Didn't get home till 2am, hoped to go straight to bed and cuddle and talk a little, but he decided to stay up for a 'nightcap' and when I queried it, said, 'aren't I allowed to have a nightcap?'

WTF?

As TFM said some time ago, alcohol is like having an OW in the relationship - and last night he chose her over me . Tried not to overreact but I couldn't relax into sleep until he came to bed at 4am, when I just kissed him and said I was glad to have him there (though he stank of Cointreau). Hope that was the right thing to do . Didn't want to provoke a fight as we had two friends staying over from after the show. He's going to Norfolk today, so I won't see him till quite late tomorrow. Pity, we're just not getting the chance to talk as I'd hoped.

OK, now to bury myself in some work (if I can keep awake) and read through all your threads over lunch.

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Baffy · 07/07/2008 11:19

Just a quick hi as I'm back in work

CNC - fantastic to see you, been wondering how you are

HW thanks for that - H is really making an effort at the moment and I can see it. It's a massive change. I do have my moments (quite frequently) when I am reminded of what he's done (a song/place/comment, even seeing the type of car she drives!) and I wonder if I do want him back and if I can get over this.

I'm thinking that one step at a time is the only way to go and trying not expect too much. From either of us!

Am taking ds on holiday on Friday for 10 days. Have to say I'm a bit worried as to what may happen when I'm away.

But if he can't last 10 days without me around then there is no hope anyway!

Macd I felt sick reading your post then. You're not a bad person at all. You can't help how you feel. I know that this is the sort of thing I will need to learn to live with if H and I are together, and like you, I'm not actually sure if I'll be able to cope with it
Did he come to look after dd today?

Baffy · 07/07/2008 11:21

btw lilyloo dd sounds gorgeous!

and TFM - it's great to see you so happy and positive. I love reading your posts.

HappyWoman · 07/07/2008 11:48

Baffy - you sound so strong again and that is good.
Dont expect too much of yourself either. You will still need to rant at h at some time too.
Its ok to not know what you want - the best thing to do is to know that you have done all you can to save the relationship you held so dear, it is all over to him now and if he suprises us all and passes then that is great. Remember that (thearpy) weekend with us when you feel ready. I think it would do him good to have another male to talk about it all once his head is a bit straiter and only the other day h said he felt like 'giving' some support for other men who are going through what he was . I tried to point out that other men in a similar position would never seek help from a man anyway (not when they have the support of the ow). He had to agree and still calls himself a born again monogomist - just wish i could get him a car-sticker so others would know it too .

Tanee - you sound as if you are doing the right thing - isnt this the way he always is when working? Not sure how to help, he doesnt seem to see the alcolhol as a problem - typical male behaviour ime - they never see anything as a problem until it is too late and is impacting on the rest of their life - whether it be work drink gambling or ow - they just seem to think they are always in control.

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