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Seeking gentle support after recognising abuse and coercive control

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Becksta1 · 27/04/2026 18:44

Hello. I posted on here last July and the previous post can be seen following this link.
It was kindly suggested to me to consider doing another post to maybe get further support. I’m not sure where I’m at emotionally and truly what I want. It’s a process I guess and I think it will be a long tough one 😞
I can’t really say what I need but I’ve spoken to Women’s Aid who have said there’s sexual abuse, financial abuse and coercive control in my relationship of 24 years. Any support, gentle advice, or a virtual shoulder to lean on is much appreciated.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/relationships/5370025-husband-wont-let-me-do-the-food-shop?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

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goodThingGonewrong · 01/05/2026 21:44

It’s ok I’ll have a think and post tomorrow. I will share what made me scared to leave too. Don’t worry, no pressure, I hope you manage to relax a bit. I am shattered, my younger dd hurt herself and spent most of today in A&E.

It is strange ( not sure if that’s the right word) but , your original post really upset me deep down for some reason and I was very glad when you resurrected that thread. I am glad you are seeking help and some advice and hopefully a bit of companionship x

Agapornis · 01/05/2026 21:45

It's perfectly fine to be open, and don't worry about it being Friday night or a bank holiday weekend - I'm alone on the sofa tonight, writing this because I want to, not out of obligation.

All that really doesn't sound like the normal treatment for sexsomnia. People who have it don't only get a talking therapy, but usually a combination of treatments because the risk of rape and assault is so high. They certainly wouldn't be diagnosed based on phone conversations only. The team would normally contact a partner directly as they are the ones observing the behaviour. I agree with your friend that if the appointments were real, he lied/heavily omitted to the MH team. Have a read of this
https://www.sleepfoundation.org/parasomnias/sexsomnia When did he go back from the sofa to bed? Did he say something like he had to as part of the treatment, or that the MH team said it was safe now?

This combined with him only contacting them after you insisted for months makes it look like he lied. If he drove away to "take the call" he might well have been in McDonalds, or just gone for a drive.

Threatening suicide (him saying he's suicidal) is a known form of abuse - something abusers say to stop you leaving. All this happening at the same time you regained some freedom with yoga and women's circles is not a coincidence.

Would it help to list here what you're scared of?

Sexsomnia: What to Know About Sleep Sex

Learn more about sexsomnia, a sleep disorder that can cause involuntary sexual behaviors during sleep, including its causes and treatments.

https://www.sleepfoundation.org/parasomnias/sexsomnia

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Becksta1 · 02/05/2026 08:55

goodThingGonewrong · 01/05/2026 21:44

It’s ok I’ll have a think and post tomorrow. I will share what made me scared to leave too. Don’t worry, no pressure, I hope you manage to relax a bit. I am shattered, my younger dd hurt herself and spent most of today in A&E.

It is strange ( not sure if that’s the right word) but , your original post really upset me deep down for some reason and I was very glad when you resurrected that thread. I am glad you are seeking help and some advice and hopefully a bit of companionship x

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Hubby is out swimming so I’m going to reply to what I can whilst he’s out in between tending to my DC.

I am sorry to hear about you DD. I hope everything is okay? How awful 😞 don’t worry about coming on here. It sounds like you might need some rest now and take care of your DD too. Sending lots of love.

Thanks for sharing again, and I am sorry that’s what’s happening to be is upsetting xx

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Becksta1 · 02/05/2026 10:24

Hi everyone. I’m not feeling too well today, quite dissociative and my head is in a bubble but I can feel my body. I think maybe I’m just trying to process a lot. My counsellor said my window of tolerance is quite small, my nervous system is struggling.@Agapornis thanks for your post and for being so kind with your time. I do hope you get some nice time over the bank holiday to do nice things. I’ll reply when I can, I might be more limited now as hubby isn’t working over the bank holiday so won’t be distracted by work. But I will reply when I can. I never presume anyone will worry, but wanted to say don’t just incase as everyone on here have been so lovely. I’m going to be kind to myself and get myself a shower because I feel unclean after talking about the sex stuff and it might help ground. The kids are home so he won’t come up to watch as I lock the door when the kids are home. I should maybe do that when it’s just us but I don’t know if the change would make him suspicious. Am I worth trying to lock it now and again or not making sudden changes?

I know the comment about me using my savings to buy a phone has been deleted. The town I live in has a few shops but the only way I can get a new one is to order online through Argos and collect at Sainsbury’s. Should I do that? I was going to ask my friend to ask around for a spare phone for me on Monday when I see her for reiki. I am worried about him finding it 😢 but maybe some risks I’ll need to take.

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Becksta1 · 02/05/2026 10:28

Everything is going to be okay I promise

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goodThingGonewrong · 02/05/2026 10:52

Did not want to read and run but yes, please don’t take any risks feeling obliged to reply. Reply when it’s safe and thank you for the reassurance.

Agapornis · 02/05/2026 11:35

Definitely ask your friend for a phone. She may well have one in a drawer she's not using. You could also order one to her address. If you're worried about him finding it, maybe just keep it at her place? It's maybe not as useful.

Do make sure you don't copy over any existing accounts when you set it up.

Sourandsweet1 · 02/05/2026 14:23

What about buying exact same one as you already have?

RS1987 · 03/05/2026 08:17

My heart breaks for you. I believe you, we all do, and you deserve peace. I wish that for you. You are so much stronger than you realise.

goodThingGonewrong · 03/05/2026 08:48

Sending you solidarity - I used to dread the bank holidays when I was married to my abusive ex.
Yesterday reminded me so much of this as my mum came down and spent the day with us. This would never have happened if he was with us. My older daughter came back from uni which is the main reason she came however my point is my ex would have hit the roof with me and would have given mum the silent treatment and also started to insult me in front of her.

I hope you and your children are ok. Hopefully we can catch up better once the bank holiday is over.

goodThingGonewrong · 03/05/2026 08:53

I reread your last long post about the SA. You would never be able to fight your husband off due to the huge disparity in size and weight. There is is similar disparity between my partner of 6 years and myself ( though he is overweight is no way close to your DH’s weight and he’s thankfully very gentle with me).

There is also something you need to be aware of - your husbands bmi is probably in the obese area. He will eventually get health problems and after years of abuse, you do not want to ruin your life further by becoming his carer after all he’s done to you.

Becksta1 · 03/05/2026 13:17

Thank you all. I am logging on once a day over BH. Was hoping I could write but far too anxious and trying to manage. But wanted to say that even when I don’t reply, I am still reading and appreciate the care and time. I hope everyone is okay.

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Becksta1 · 03/05/2026 16:22

Agapornis · 01/05/2026 21:45

It's perfectly fine to be open, and don't worry about it being Friday night or a bank holiday weekend - I'm alone on the sofa tonight, writing this because I want to, not out of obligation.

All that really doesn't sound like the normal treatment for sexsomnia. People who have it don't only get a talking therapy, but usually a combination of treatments because the risk of rape and assault is so high. They certainly wouldn't be diagnosed based on phone conversations only. The team would normally contact a partner directly as they are the ones observing the behaviour. I agree with your friend that if the appointments were real, he lied/heavily omitted to the MH team. Have a read of this
https://www.sleepfoundation.org/parasomnias/sexsomnia When did he go back from the sofa to bed? Did he say something like he had to as part of the treatment, or that the MH team said it was safe now?

This combined with him only contacting them after you insisted for months makes it look like he lied. If he drove away to "take the call" he might well have been in McDonalds, or just gone for a drive.

Threatening suicide (him saying he's suicidal) is a known form of abuse - something abusers say to stop you leaving. All this happening at the same time you regained some freedom with yoga and women's circles is not a coincidence.

Would it help to list here what you're scared of?

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I can’t remember exactly how long he was on the sofa for. It was a few weeks, maybe 2 months. I’m worried I’m getting the times mixed up. I maybe really try and need to work that out in my head. Tbh I felt sorry for him. He’s a big guy and I knew he wasn’t sleeping well on the sofa and seeing his pillow next to the sofa each morning made me feel sad for him. Also at the point where he had a discussion about him coming back to bed, I’d been out for a few drinks with the friend that likes him. The wine made me talk and I told her what had happened and that he was on the sofa. She didn’t like what he did, I must emphasise that, but she was sympathetic about him not sleeping in a proper bed because it wasn’t very comfortable. At this point it had been some weeks. We don’t have a spare room you see.

He didnt mention any next steps with NHS regarding safe sleeping. I’d read online to find ways to help us and it mentioned good sleep hygiene, reducing alcohol intake etc. I mentioned this and he didn’t do it. But I felt like he was going through enough. He’d lost his mum earlier that year which was painful and stressful for him as you’d expect, it’s a horrendous and heartbreaking loss. I suspect but I don’t know, that whatever conversation was had, this is probably what was mentioned as a factor. In fact actually he told me he talked about his grief, and counselling or CBT had been offered. I’m not sure if this was for the grief or if they think maybe the loss caused anxiety that made him touch me in my sleep that he couldn’t recall. It’s very confusing. Before I forget he did have some therapy on the phone like I mentioned earlier, but he said after some time that he wasn’t finding it helpful, and he said they said he needs to focus on his self care and looking after himself as he is clearly struggling. It was almost suggesting that I needed to do more. I did and do lots around the house, but I was also trying to process stuff too and I was keeping this secret so I know and admit that I wasn’t as productive as normal. Not to take away from him and his loss, I do hope I’m making sense. He’s not particularly open with me, he holds a lot in, and the first time he mentioned feeling suicidal was when I confronted him. I had no idea that he was feeling so low, he was struggling with grief, but I didn’t know he was so depressed. I feel awful for not knowing, which then brought up my own guilt because as I said earlier, I’d started to do a few more things for myself that year. I felt selfish. I’ll add to that when he said this and broke down crying when I told him, his response was I don’t remember, are you going to leave? He didn’t ask if I was okay. I don’t know if he told them about the clusters of sexual stuff in the night the year before a few months after DC was born. A year before when things were good for him. He said he did. I did say I felt like I’d been violated, he got defensive and said that MH said it’s not sexual assault because there was no intent and he would never hurt me. He told me he shared with them that I was upset. He went onto say that sometimes I confuse him because we’ve had sex in the night. These are the times when pre to this, when he’s touched in my sleep I’d rolled over and let him on top to have sex with me because I wanted it over with. He can use teeth, not always, like a nibble on my back not biting and I don’t like it. Or he gets dribble all over my shoulder. He used to watch a lot of porn in front on me in the first couple of years in our relationship and I think he wants me to be like them. I find sex hard, even when we want it. It brings up a lot emotionally. I don’t want to be a doll. But I was tired and wanted to go back to sleep. I also just wanted to keep him happy and for him to feel good about himself. He is outwardly very confident, bordering arrogant, but I do think he’s insecure too. Like when my friend said he seems like he’s trying too hard. I do take responsibility for that. I can go some place out of body during sex so it isn’t too bad for me. But it’s confusing for me and for him. I don’t want to blame him, maybe this is on us both. This is where the doubt comes in 😢

When he came back into our bed though, my head felt numb. I was scared. He’d promised it would never happen again but I didn’t see how he could given that it wasn’t something he was choosing to do. I was very scared. It hurt. I wanted to carry on with life, a fresh start as a family.

I don’t know if he was threatening suicide, he didn’t say if you leave I will kill myself. Just told me how low he had felt and when I challenged what had happened because I couldn’t make it make sense, that’s when he told me how horrible and suicidal he felt and stormed out the house and after me trying to ring him to make sure he was okay and him ignoring me I rang the police.

I’m sorry it’s long. There’s so many layers and lots went on and I want to get this right. I’m sorry it’s probably hard to unpick with me 😞 I have had sex to give me some control and this. I will try and think more of dates as I don’t want to mislead.

I hope you’re enjoying the BH

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Becksta1 · 03/05/2026 16:27

Sometimes when I post like I just did, it reminds me of how much I think I’ve had a part to play in confusing him. I feel at fault too.

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goodThingGonewrong · 03/05/2026 17:07

i really don’t see how you’ve given mixed messages. You’ve basically given in. We can tell when desire is reciprocated when a partner touches sexually and you reciprocate. That’s not the case: you haven’t kissed, touched or done anything but lie there letting him have sex. @Becksta1 even if you have orgasmed through unwanted sex or abuse, that can be confusing but it’s a normal reaction of the body and no fault or witho. Your control.

For example, if my partner wants sex, he will suggest it verbally and I will say yes or no. Same if he touches me or kisses passionately. If I return the touching and kissing, he knows I’ve given consent. There have been times where I’ve just said no if he started to touch and he stopped immediately and just kissed my forehead. That’s what consent looks like. I also had surgery a while back, when I was ready for sex, I suggested it. When we did have sex, or were leading to it he checked many times I was ok and not in pain. It was the most awkward sex that time but I felt safe and he was nervous about hurting me.

goodThingGonewrong · 03/05/2026 17:15

Also what concerns me is your friends reaction, I know in real life it’s harder to explain the situation and you probably didn’t want her to completely hate your husband. Does she know you suffered SA as a child tooo? I certainly would not be feeling sorry for any friend’s husband if he was touching her in her sleep and buying her sleeping pills. Did you convert how terrifying it is? The sofa was too bloody good for him.

Agapornis · 03/05/2026 17:41

None of this is your fault. He wants you to feel that it is though, it's like being brainwashed by a cult.

"he got defensive and said that MH said it’s not sexual assault because there was no intent and he would never hurt me"
this is bullshit and MH would never say that.

ThisJadeBear · 03/05/2026 17:55

I feel heartbroken for you after reading these messages. This man is raping you and biting you.
It is horrific.
None of this is on you. You ‘give in’ because you know in your subconscious that he could kill you.
That is not a mixed message it is how you survive rape.

Lilactimes · 03/05/2026 19:09

Dear @Becksta1 - I'm so glad to see your thread again as I was looking for you and couldn't remember the name of the thread from last year.

i just wanted you to know it think you're being very brave and I hope you're ok x

Agapornis · 03/05/2026 19:48

It may help you to learn about the types of abusers and what's inside their minds. In case you don't have the opportunity to read the Why does he do that? book mentioned earlier, here are some other options. The basis of Bancroft's research is that it's not about understanding how the abuser feels - instead it's about understanding how he thinks. They fundamentally think differently from you or me.
Video:

a podcast:
https://shows.acast.com/why-she-stayed/episodes/ep-55-lundy-bancroft-interview-why-does-he-do-that

And a blog post too:
https://www.narcissistapocalypse.com/10-types-of-abusers/

Ep. 55: Lundy Bancroft Interview | Why Does He Do That? | Why She Stayed

https://shows.acast.com/why-she-stayed/episodes/ep-55-lundy-bancroft-interview-why-does-he-do-that

Becksta1 · 03/05/2026 20:46

I’m afraid I’ll never rise again. I don’t even know how I feel. He’s done me over hasn’t he?

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Becksta1 · 03/05/2026 20:48

Lilactimes · 03/05/2026 19:09

Dear @Becksta1 - I'm so glad to see your thread again as I was looking for you and couldn't remember the name of the thread from last year.

i just wanted you to know it think you're being very brave and I hope you're ok x

Thank you. I remember you, you helped me lots xx

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Becksta1 · 03/05/2026 20:57

My best friend rang me about an hour ago to confirm my appointment tomorrow, I think she was checking in. She sent me this lovely poem by Donna Ashworth. I love how she just knows.

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THATsummergirlera · 03/05/2026 21:17

I haven't read your previous thread but I have just read this one and couldn't not comment.

I spent many years with a man who touched and had sex with me when I was asleep / was pretending to be asleep in the hope he would leave me alone. I would also at times "let him" have sex with me to make life more tolerable.

I still don't know how or when this started or why but in the last couple of years of our relationship my eyes began to open and I started to see things for what they were and eventually I left him.

My life is so much better now. I dont dread the sound of his key in the door while I lie pretending to sleep. I feel safe and relaxed in my own home.

I never went to the police or really spoke about the abusive side of our relationship to people but I did begin to open up about how unhappy I had become in the relationship and I found this talking gave me strength

You can get out. You can do this. Keep going. You are strong.