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Heartbroken all over - will he be different with her?

274 replies

TigerIsHome · 14/04/2026 14:36

Hi

I'm sure you will remember me. I was doing ok. My name is slightly different now as I think my last account was erased despite pleas to reinstate it. I am being totally visible about that - I'm the same person.

You may remember my Heartbroken post from last year. I have been in intensive and ongoing therapy over my ex, who I have been told by numerous therapists, is narcissistic and abusive and that the version of him that I fell for, wasn't actually real. This is the man who, without going over all the dreaded detail again, entered into a relationship with me, has the two ex wives and travels back and forward to Vietnam. His children have no relationship with him either, and have disowned him. I am now 50 and this man is 54.

For reference I absolutely adored this man, we weren't together very long and at the start it was all new exciting, thrilling lots of contact and intimacy. But it soon turned very sour and as we worked together, I had to move departments due to his childish and irregular behaviour. He began hiding from me in the toilets at work - for the one reason that I had borrowed his coffee cup - telling my colleagues and called a meeting with our boss in which he told me that our intimacy wasn't love making - it was f - and my boss did nothing. During one of his regular trips to Vietnam, I moved departments. On the odd occasions when I do see him now, he will deviate between complete ignorance, and joking. Just last week as he told me he was returning to Vietnam, he asked me if the bag I was carrying contained a 'sexual item' and asked was it a 'rubber vagina'. This from the man who once said I made him so uncomfortable that he had to hide in the toilets. He then proudly announced he was going to Vietnam this week.

As if that wasn't enough, he completely stuck the knife in by announcing, 'I have a girlfriend, she's 38, beautiful, and I love her, I'm happy. I know in my heart it's right'. He then took out a picture of her and thrust it in my face. He said they 'facetime every night'. He claims he is now a Buddhist and has quit smoking and drugs. He was on a lot of cocaine for years.

This was a week and a half ago and I have struggled ever since. My therapist maintains he is a narcissist but what is making it worse for me is the current rumour that he may be getting married to this woman. He has met her in person once. The photo has him with his head on her shoulder and she is on his knee, they are holding hands. He was in no way kind in how he chose to tell me.

I feel absolutely devastated. He was brutally cruel to me for the time I was with him, blowing hot and cold but always saying 'just give me time' and I believed him. He said I was his soulmate and wanted me to meet his family. He asked me to move into my Mum's room with him knowing she had only died a few years previous to that. Then he pulled the rug, with me struggling to understand since then (3 years ago) what I've done wrong.

I've tried to get help and am doing things like going to the gym and yoga. But this has really set me back to the point my therapist told me today that she is insistent that I ring my GP as my 'core scores' were through the roof. I feel exhausted, even walking the short distance to the bus stop, I'm on edge, I feel sick and the reason is I am desperately wondering why she seems to be getting the better version of him. I loved him with my whole heart, I was patient, supportive, understanding and kind. I don't know why he is throwing it in my face that he loves her and if he does marry her, to me, in my mind, it will sort of highlight that I was the problem all along. This would be his third marriage - his second to a Vietnamese woman. He is just moving on as if I didn't exist and I'm struggling so badly to heal. My own mind is frightening me as I feel so deeply and I feel like something is wrong with me? I spoke to a mutual friend who says he is like a child, always chasing after the next shiny thing but even that makes me wonder why I wasn't shiny enough to keep.

I'm sorry to contact you all again, but do you really think he could be different with her? When his own kids won't talk to him? What the hell is so special about Vietnam? His last wife was from there and dumped him when she got her citizenship to the UK.

Thanks again, for listening to me.

OP posts:
Daughteradhd · 16/04/2026 09:19

TigerIsHome · 16/04/2026 09:05

I know this man and have done for 10 years now. In that time, he's been divorced twice, doesn't talk to his children (they want nothing to do with him and have changed their names), has a string of relationships whereby when a woman expresses her feelings he abruptly ends things, but when another gives him time patience and understanding he blows hot and cold for years, he got paid to get his second wife a citizenship, he makes sexual comments at work which are never dealt with... but now suddenly everything is rosy because he's met someone 16 years younger than him - once - and is going to marry her even though she's in Vietnam.

I know I need to move on, I know I do, and I am trying but this has thrown me completely off the already unsteady track I was moving down. His cruelty in how he delivered the information as well has really stung. It was HORRIBLE that he knew how I feel about him and just put her picture under my nose. I wonder what SHE would think about his treatment of other women so far.

An abusive man, does not suddenly become a wonderful one overnight. THAT is what I'm struggling with.

Who has said he is a wonderful man? The women who he is currently lovebombing? If so we all know how that will end. I thought my ex was a wonderful man at one time as did you until we learned otherwise. If this women speaks a different language, from a different county so has no history of the man, isolated from his past etc then she will have absolutely no idea. My ex was from a different continent. I was unaware during my 10 year marriage of what he had done to women back in his country. I thought he was amazing until over the years I learned what he was. They move on, they think they leave the bad behaviours with their exes because they have no self awareness, only to go on and do the same thing. They believe this women, this one is perfect, this one is the one but they end up ruining it.

It is nice to be made to feel like you are something special, especially like for me I was undiagnosed autistic and had always felt less then. This man projected all that special feeling onto me. But obviously we are not special, we are just humans with faults and flaws. We can’t make them feel how they want to feel so we then become the problem. They are deeply flawed humans. I am sorry that people do this to us. I am sorry if like me you have felt less than all your life and this man came along and you became collateral damage. There are just some very damaged and very unkind people in the world.

ThisJadeBear · 16/04/2026 09:19

Here’s a question that I encountered in therapy:
If you don’t think you are important at all, why should someone else treat you as if you are important?
The fact is, you are devoting so much headspace thinking/researching him.
I am not sure what’s happening in therapy but a good therapist would never diagnose a person they haven’t met. You might bring up that he’s a narc, but a therapist isn’t actually qualified to label anyone. Not even their own client. Someone has to be referred to a clinical psychiatrist to get any type of diagnosis.
Right since the beginning you answer ALL of your own questions:
Failed marriages.
Treating women like shit.
Children who have disowned him.
There are your answers.

UnluckyLeprechaun · 16/04/2026 09:26

"He seems to get a hit out of hurting me and I do NOT understand why."

Simple answer. Because he can. Because you allowed it. Because it makes him feel better about himself to hurt someone else.

You sound as if you need to do some major work on respecting yourself.

I took some dreadful abuse back in the day. If someone treats me with less than the full consideration I deserve as a human being now, I call them out on it immediately. Which is what you should have done and should do if it happens again.

Nothing wrong with you other than you don't respect yourself at all.

TigerIsHome · 16/04/2026 09:28

UnluckyLeprechaun · 16/04/2026 09:13

"An abusive man, does not suddenly become a wonderful one overnight. THAT is what I'm struggling with."

Then allow me to resolve this. He has not and will not, ever, become wonderful. He will treat her like shit sooner or later, unfortunately for her and all the other people he targets.

Put it down, you must be exhausted. He will never, ever, become wonderful. His nickname is Epstein..... he knowingly tortures your feelings, he's a sexist pig.

Raise your bar much, much higher than this. Screw in your balls, get some self-respect, do some self-work, tell yourself you're worth the best in life and put him behind you.

Ok so...just because she may choose to be with him doesn't change anything either? I am very aware that a lot of women seem to want to leave that place. Although I don't know why because so many people bloody well go on holiday to it!

OP posts:
Spanglemum02 · 16/04/2026 09:29

Of course he hasn't changed , he can't suddenly become lovely because he's an awful person. At the moment he is pretending to be lovely to this woman he has met once.
Have you heard of 'red flags' OP ? Things about a person that are warning signs? This man is covered in them. Kids won't see him, hateful attitude towards women. He's one to avoid and you found this out the hard way.

Please focus on recovery and breaking this obsession with this man. He really is not worth the effort. Blank him if you see him at work, turn round and walk the other way.

BTW OP do you take medication for your ADHD? Also have you heard of Rejection Sensitivity Dysphoria? It could partly explain why you feel as bad as you do.

Focus on you and you cats and work towards getting over this man. He really is not worth it. Hopefully you can see psychiatrist soon

Jellybunny98 · 16/04/2026 09:33

I don’t think it’s helpful to keep ruminating on his future OP. He might become a brilliant partner, some people do change, see the error of their ways and meet someone they want to change for- it’s shit for those who came before but it happens. You need to figure out how to let that go.

UnluckyLeprechaun · 16/04/2026 09:36

From M. T. Evans:

"Trauma Bonding – Number 3 – Repetitive Compulsion Disorder
I have written before about this very real phenomenon in my eBooks, and it is definitely worth mentioning again as one of the key elements of trauma bonding.
Narcissists are unpredictable in nature. The dealing out of random and conflicting abuse and support creates heightened anxiety and addictive state within their victims.

The example I like to use to explain this disorder is what happens to lab rats when they have a button, which releases food pellets, that is set on ‘random’. Normally the rat knows how many times to push the button to receive his meal, and is very content with that.

However, when the button becomes unpredictable and unstable the rat goes into a frenzy pushing the button until the floor of the cage is littered with pellets. He is more interested in staying ‘hooked on’ pushing the button than attending to his own self-care.

The rat is addicted to pushing the button (trying to get it to act predictably), just as a gambler is hooked to a poker machine, and just as a narcissistic abuse victim is hooked on trying to gain stable, sane, and safe behaviour from the narcissist.

When life is ‘dangerous’ with any hope of ‘relief’, our psychological and emotional survival wiring compels us to hang on and put all our energy into finding relief from the danger. Manic fear and pain reign until the euphoric relief of the situation presents.

If the button was re-set to a standard number of pushes the rat relaxes again, yet if the button was taken out of the cage, the rat would suffer survival panic.
If the addicted gambler wins a jackpot, she experiences temporary relief that she has won back her money lost, yet if she is removed from the poker machine before winning, she will find a way to get back to a machine as soon as possible.

If the narcissist attends to your needs, apologises and acts like he or she has reformed, you feel incredible relief and that you have been removed from the war zone. Yet, when the narcissist leaves the scene and is no longer reassuring you, you suffer severe separation anxiety that can feel akin to a heroin addict deprived of the next fix.

Repetitive compulsion disorder creates intense addiction anxiety, which can only momentarily be relieved by ‘jackpots’, but never takes long for the anxiety to reach an intense peak again – and of course when we don’t know better, we think these feelings of I can’t live without you and I can’t think about anything but you are ‘love’.

Trauma Bonding – Number 4 – Peptide Addiction
With all of the survival fears, powerlessness and anxieties taking place, a great deal of neuro- peptides, resulting from your disturbed, fearful and unstable thoughts, are manufactured in your hypothalamus (chemical manufacturing plant of our brain) and are distributed into your bloodstream and received by the cells of your body.

Our cells get addicted to the peptides they receive powerful doses of, and then physiologically we get addicted to getting more of these peptides, which the narcissist triggers within us regularly.

This creates feelings of I need his attention, I need his validation, I need his approval, I need his support, I need his love, I need him to provide me with some RELIEF and eventually just like a drug addict licking the crumbs off the lounge room rug, we will try to get any amount of the narcissist’s energy regardless of how damaging and soul destroying it is.

What we don’t realise, in our obsessive quest for relief, that it is the pain and intensity of the dramatic highs and lows that the cells of our body have become addicted to.

We have become a helpless addict, and our drug dealer is the narcissist. He or she is dispensing regularly our body cells’ drug of choice – narcissistic abuse.
The thought of breaking away from the narcissist of course, at this level, feels unthinkable, and impossible to do.

And of course, we mistake it for ‘love’."

S0j0urn4r · 16/04/2026 09:36

Did you see the GP as your therapist advised?

LughLongArm · 16/04/2026 09:39

TigerIsHome · 16/04/2026 09:28

Ok so...just because she may choose to be with him doesn't change anything either? I am very aware that a lot of women seem to want to leave that place. Although I don't know why because so many people bloody well go on holiday to it!

For heaven’s sake, OP, a wealthy Westerner going on holiday somewhere to hit the beaches and beauty spots is not having in any sense the same experience as someone who grew up there, grindingly poor and with few opportunities.

A woman of any nationality whom you have never met marrying your abusive ex does not make him any different, and it’s not something you are helping yourself by dwelling on. Read the good posts by @ThisJadeBear and @UnluckyLeprechaun about working on developing self-respect and self-esteem.

TigerIsHome · 16/04/2026 09:40

S0j0urn4r · 16/04/2026 09:36

Did you see the GP as your therapist advised?

Yes it's on the other page what she said.

OP posts:
TigerIsHome · 16/04/2026 09:41

Jellybunny98 · 16/04/2026 09:33

I don’t think it’s helpful to keep ruminating on his future OP. He might become a brilliant partner, some people do change, see the error of their ways and meet someone they want to change for- it’s shit for those who came before but it happens. You need to figure out how to let that go.

Edited

He's met her once. I doubt it.

OP posts:
ThisJadeBear · 16/04/2026 09:42

@TigerIsHome what do you actually want?

IHate · 16/04/2026 09:44

People, she’s not reading what you’re writing. That’s not what she does. As is apparent from her responses to comments which have absolutely nothing to do with what the commenters have actually said. She’s having her own conversation in her head and we are merely to serve as an audience.

LughLongArm · 16/04/2026 09:47

TigerIsHome · 16/04/2026 09:41

He's met her once. I doubt it.

So why did you start a thread freaking out about what it meant if he married her and whether it implied he was a reformed character, or that you were the problem?

They’ve met once. It’s not any kind of ‘relationship’, good or bad.

I remember your previous thread vaguely, OP, but not the detail. Am I right in thinking that you were only sexually/ romantically involved with this man for a period of a few weeks?

UnluckyLeprechaun · 16/04/2026 09:50

IHate · 16/04/2026 09:44

People, she’s not reading what you’re writing. That’s not what she does. As is apparent from her responses to comments which have absolutely nothing to do with what the commenters have actually said. She’s having her own conversation in her head and we are merely to serve as an audience.

Sadly I think this is the case. I wish you well OP, you can get past this if you put your mind to it.

Over and out from me. Take care.

kellygoeswest · 16/04/2026 09:53

IHate · 16/04/2026 09:44

People, she’s not reading what you’re writing. That’s not what she does. As is apparent from her responses to comments which have absolutely nothing to do with what the commenters have actually said. She’s having her own conversation in her head and we are merely to serve as an audience.

I agree - and as much as I'm sure people are trying to be well meaning in their responses - these comments validating the conversation around narcissists and vietnamese women are just feeding into something unhealthy.

TigerIsHome · 16/04/2026 10:02

ThisJadeBear · 16/04/2026 09:42

@TigerIsHome what do you actually want?

Just want the pain to stop to be honest. The confusion. To be happy. To forget him.

OP posts:
TigerIsHome · 16/04/2026 10:03

IHate · 16/04/2026 09:44

People, she’s not reading what you’re writing. That’s not what she does. As is apparent from her responses to comments which have absolutely nothing to do with what the commenters have actually said. She’s having her own conversation in her head and we are merely to serve as an audience.

That isn't true. I am reading all the replies. Am I not allowed to respond?

OP posts:
TigerIsHome · 16/04/2026 10:05

LughLongArm · 16/04/2026 09:47

So why did you start a thread freaking out about what it meant if he married her and whether it implied he was a reformed character, or that you were the problem?

They’ve met once. It’s not any kind of ‘relationship’, good or bad.

I remember your previous thread vaguely, OP, but not the detail. Am I right in thinking that you were only sexually/ romantically involved with this man for a period of a few weeks?

Sorry I was just being reactive. I don't want to believe he's suddenly changed.

I was with him on and off between 2022-2023, in total close to a year.

OP posts:
throwawayimplantchat · 16/04/2026 10:17

He hasn’t changed though.

He’s doing things to upset you like showing the picture.

He’s still nicknamed Epstein because he’s a pervy, horrible misogynist who says disgusting things about women at work.

Him saying he’s now all loved up and happy doesn’t mean he’s suddenly a wonderful person who is in a healthy relationship where he treats someone else well. I’m confused as to why you think that is the case?

He is still a pervy misogynist who objectifies women, still clearly buys into the horrible racial stereotype of women from particular cultures being subservient and child like, still a shit dad who doesn’t see his kids and still someone who gets a kick out of hurting you.

A question for you that a therapist once asked me when I was obsessing over an ex. How does his current relationship status materially, actually change your current life or your future?

If the only way it affects your life is that it makes you feel shit, remove yourself from the environment. You need to look for a job where there isn’t a toxic, disgusting culture and a toxic, disgusting ex.

You have one precious life on this planet. You’re wasting months ruminating over why this man is the way he is and whether or not he’s changed. None of the answers to those questions will change YOUR life. You’re just wasting time and he’s getting the satisfaction of seeing you upset while he starts his cycle with his next girlfriend.

Please reclaim your life from this man. Cut ties. Look for a new job. Focus on you in therapy. Try new things. Don’t be held hostage by obsessing over why a misogynistic wanker behaves like a misogynistic wanker.

SunnyLilacFawn · 16/04/2026 10:21

OP there have been nearly 200 replies on this thread but I'm not sure any are making a difference to how you are thinking?

This is my suggestion: Go back to your first post on this thread, read it, and then read all your responses since that one - you don't need to re-read anyone else's posts.

Once you've read them all, imagine the poster is someone else and write a response as though you are advising them.

If you like, you can then take your response to discuss with your therapist/psychiatrist.

IHate · 16/04/2026 10:23

TigerIsHome · 16/04/2026 10:03

That isn't true. I am reading all the replies. Am I not allowed to respond?

As is apparent from her responses to comments which have absolutely nothing to do with what the commenters have actually said.

Case in point. I said nothing about you ‘not being allowed to respond’.

IHate · 16/04/2026 10:26

TigerIsHome · 16/04/2026 09:28

Ok so...just because she may choose to be with him doesn't change anything either? I am very aware that a lot of women seem to want to leave that place. Although I don't know why because so many people bloody well go on holiday to it!

Response has nothing to do with comment responded to.

IHate · 16/04/2026 10:28

TigerIsHome · 16/04/2026 08:57

That's fair enough, but I do NOT understand how a man who is abusive can suddenly turn around and be different with someone they've met once. To me it's like saying 'yes I've left a trail of bodies all over the world, but I won't do it to you, even though you know I've killed several women in the past'.

A little more clarification would help. A successful relationship by what means? That she's submissive to him and he's happy down to that? I find it really really hard to believe that a man with his track record who is 'abusive and disgusting' can suddenly be a wonderful partner.

Also I'm not 'happy' when people say he's a narcissist. I had trouble for ages adjusting to that title. But if it what at LEAST 3 therapists have advised, a doctor yesterday and he ticks the boxes of nearly every self help book I've read, it is unsettling when people think I'm happy because he has a label. I'm happy because maybe all the therapy and the research I've done might make sense!

Response has nothing to do with comment responded to.

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