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Continuing an AIBU …

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PithyBeaker · 10/04/2026 19:22

Just continuing a thread I started a few days ago in AIBU for support as I figure out next steps ending my cohabitation.

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TheBlueKoala · 11/04/2026 16:41

@Beachtastic What a wonderful success story. I believe you're right; love doesn't always look the way we think it should look due to negative experiences. So happy for you!

@MotherOfCats71 So sad to hear your story. It's very generous of you to share it with us so that we can see how things might play out due to stupid decisions we are taking when being gaslit and broken by a monster. I hope your children can find it in their hearts to forgive you. If not, make peace with yourself- you are in a better place now where you can see clearly. You have and you suffer immensely from what you have been through so don't punish yourself anymore. I wish you all the best.💐

@PithyBeaker Please call a locksmith! X

TiredCatLady · 11/04/2026 17:04

Been lurking on your previous thread - you’re doing the right thing.
He’s an incredibly large piece of shit. Every accusation is a confession. Love bombed you, manipulated you, wore you down and now his gravy train is at an end. The comment about a casual thing is just fucking cruel. And he knows it. Only respond to messages about logistics, communicate via messages only, not phone calls, save everything. Try not to be alone in the house with him. Think about changing your locks. His type get really nasty, no matter how nice you think he was previously.

You’re well shot of him OP. You deserve so much more.

PithyBeaker · 11/04/2026 17:18

ChocolateCinderToffee · 11/04/2026 15:26

@BeaRightThere You are the LAST thing the OP and women like her need.

This. Please do go away. You are right that I didn’t want to end it. I just wanted him to stand on his own, provide a roof for his own kids and for us to see each other when we wanted. If that had been acceptable to him, I would have been happy and it would have proved that, however much I felt neglected, he did care about me and wasn’t just with me bc convenient. But unfortunately … well, we are where we are. Please don’t respond trying to tell me what a mistake I’ve made, it’s really unkind and unhelpful. I, not you, know all the ins and outs and have made my decision. Thanks.

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Enrichetta · 11/04/2026 17:18

MotherOfCats71 · 11/04/2026 15:18

I have read both threads and I must say I am incredibly proud of you. I see many startling similarities to my own story.

15 years ago i met a man, exceptionally handsome and charming. Much like you, I was talked into allowing him and his 2 children to move in with me and my 3. All under 7 at the time. Much like you I had a successful career and owned a beautiful 4 bed house. Much like you I was a fantastic mother.

Once in, he started to change. Niggling about bills, money, my children, my job. My mental health became worse and worse, my resources both financial and mental were both mostly spent on him. Like your son, my children said they were fine etc. He was also verbally abusive with name calling, Negging and sarcastic cruel humour at my expense.

After 5 years I kicked him out. I was exhausted, depleted, i felt neglected and sad. This is where it got BAD.

He started in with hundreds of texts, alternating between charm, rage, and begging. I engaged with this, spending days and days looking at nothing but my phone. My work was neglected as were my children. He eventually wore me down and he moved back in.

This cycle repeated many, many more times over the next six years, getting shorter and shorter in duration. Each time he moved back in, once the charm offensive was over, he punished me. I spent much of my life engaging in these text wars, I was eventually signed off from work due to various stress related illnesses, and I was not the amazing mother I had been.

After 11 years, I ended up in hospital for 12 days. Came out with a diagnosis of an autoimmune disorder, bought on by unrelenting stress over many years. I was unable to work, unable to drive, unable to do much of anything.

At this point, he dumped me for good. His appliance was completely beyond repair.

I lost my house and was very luckily removed into a council bungalow where I remain. I am badly disabled, need a wheelchair, suffer with immense pain, my eyesight is failing, my kidneys are messed up. My hands are next to useless. 2 of my 3 children have gone no contact with me and I absolutely do not blame them.

I never EVER thought my life at 54 would be this way. After tons of counselling I have had to make peace with myself and all the dreadful decisions I made to put myself here.

I am as contented as I can be, given my circumstances. But this is not where I wanted to end up.

My advice? Do not engage with him beyond practicalities. Do not even acknowledge his other messages.

Do not end up like me. I know my experience is extreme, my ex is a now diagnosed sociopathic narcissist and he was GOOD at what he did! But its a snapshot of what could be, nonetheless.

I am so sorry to hear your story. To see your entire life destroyed by a man who once professed to love you…… I have no words, but I hope you are not blaming yourself. Hopefully your children will eventually reconnect with you. Maybe one day you’ll find not just acceptance and contentment but also joy in your life.

PithyBeaker · 11/04/2026 17:19

TheBlueKoala · 11/04/2026 16:41

@Beachtastic What a wonderful success story. I believe you're right; love doesn't always look the way we think it should look due to negative experiences. So happy for you!

@MotherOfCats71 So sad to hear your story. It's very generous of you to share it with us so that we can see how things might play out due to stupid decisions we are taking when being gaslit and broken by a monster. I hope your children can find it in their hearts to forgive you. If not, make peace with yourself- you are in a better place now where you can see clearly. You have and you suffer immensely from what you have been through so don't punish yourself anymore. I wish you all the best.💐

@PithyBeaker Please call a locksmith! X

He does not have any keys or copies, I promise. He was locked out today for over an hour and did not like it.

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PithyBeaker · 11/04/2026 17:21

PoppyFleur · 11/04/2026 12:20

I have read your other thread and I am in awe of your strength and resolve. You engaged with posters, it was clear you were at the end of your capacity to deal with things. I applaud your capacity to act so quickly and with such certainty. I expect this has come as an immense shock to your ex-partner and he is lashing out to try and gain back some resolve. So, look past it, see it for what it is, he feels small, he has to start thinking about what he needs to do for his children and himself - without you there to provide structure, stability and a helping hand. He is floundering and his ego is lashing out.

Some advice from me, take whatever is useful and ignore the rest. Firstly, I have an only child and carried immense guilt at that however, now that my son is in secondary school I no longer beat myself up because the breadth of activities that open up when they get into secondary school is immense. You will both be busier than you know soon enough!

Secondly, well done for recognising that it is the simple acts of kindness (a coffee in bed in the morning) that mean so much and, when removed, communicate so much. You told him this, it was his opportunity to understand and address what was going on in your relationship, he let that opportunity pass.

Thirdly, this relationship might be over, it might not. Not everyone is born into a loving family with emotionally literate parents. Some of us learn the hard way by failing again and again before we become aware. People are complex, life is nuanced, no one is beyond self improvement. Living and coping alone might just be what your ex needs to develop some much needed perspective. Don't rush to respond to his messages; no need to play games but do realise that he is attempting to change the narrative and take back control, you don't need to feed his ego.

Lastly, if the relationship ends, it doesn't mean that it was a failure. Some people are in our life for a reason, a season or a lifetime. Not every relationship, romantic or not, is meant to endure forever. Each one brings something to our life and teaches us something.

I wish you the very best and do not write yourself off at 40, you're not even middle aged yet!

This was a lovely comment. Thank you 🙏

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PithyBeaker · 11/04/2026 17:26

LeebLeefuhLurve · 11/04/2026 10:55

And so his manipulation begins. He's trying to reason and bargain with you, I think you need to prepare for him turning nasty - on that basis, I really don't think you should have his children over for your son's birthday party, it's confusing, blurring of boundaries and feels like it's more for the adults than the kids. The world won't stop spinning on its axis because some kids were no shows, you can make something up and say they all had the flu.

Men like this are what I call 'soul-diggers'. Ironically, they're quick to accuse women of being gold-diggers and fixated on finances etc, because they know women take accusations like that really personally and will twist themselves into pretzels to prove them wrong.

Soul-diggers will take you for everything you have and more. Whatever you give is not enough. When you put yourself first (for once) you are 'breaking up the family/what will I tell my kids/I want you to fight for us'.

All this is, is him panicking because he's going to have to pick up the slack - hence why his first thought was finding another woman to tolerate his bullshit. Oh, and I'll put a wager on him paying for his own cleaner now, you don't think he'll lower himself to cleaning his offsprings shitty toilet bowls.

tbf he actually does clean the toilets (way more than I do - bc I get a cleaner, while he would prefer not to pay), just not nearly regularly enough. He is very proud of the fact that he’s not afraid to scrub toilets. Has mentioned it more than once. In the same breath as calling me privileged, bougie, etc (which I am in some ways and very much not in others but that’s a different story). But I’ll be honest ladies: I’ve never scrubbed a toilet in my life and not starting now.

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RawBloomers · 11/04/2026 17:28

BeaRightThere · 11/04/2026 15:14

I totally agree should have tried to get his kids to clean up more and to do so himself (although I believe the OP said he did try to do this). I also agree he should've once again rented out the flat (I believe had done so before but found it overwhelming). And yep, he should've done more with the OP although personally I'm not someone who enjoys going for a walk - I'm sure alternatives could have been found. I think there was a compromise to be found and it's a shame it couldn't have been. As for pressuring her to get her son out of the house more - as the OP herself admits, she wanted his kids around less so could hardly blame him for wanting the same re. her son.

I'm not saying the OP shouldn't have asked him to leave. I just wonder if maybe another solution was possible, given she didn't actually want to break up, which was of course the inevitable consequence.

Given he wouldn’t do all those things, why do you think it’s a shame a compromise couldn’t be found? Why do you think a relationship in which he won’t do all those things and OP is feeling totally drained by his refusal to do them, is better than them breaking up?

What would be the compromise considering OP has been asking for what she needs for sometime and he hasn’t adjusted at all and has, in fact, withdrawn gestures of appreciation and love?

PithyBeaker · 11/04/2026 17:33

Lovestospotabullfinch · 11/04/2026 11:27

My darling girl, you are the same age as my daughter, and I feel very maternal toward you. Please remember the advice another woman my age has already given you.

Gather your strength, you have more of it than you realise, and it will begin to show more clearly over the coming months as the light slowly returns to your life.

Right now, and in the immediate future, things may feel difficult. You are still seeing things through the lens of nostalgia, while he is shifting his stance and speaking 🗣️🗣️ in a way that reflects his own desperation. He knows you are serious this time. It will, at moments, feel hard to resist going back.

Stay focused on yourself and your DC, and support him as he adjusts to his new life now that his mother is free from an abusive relationship.

Wishing you strength and clarity 🤞. We are here for you, with love and support.

This was lovely, thank you. My own mum is a bit useless (haven’t told her any of this yet) so very much appreciate this. ❤️ Also to everyone who commented and I haven’t got around to responding to yet, I am trying to get through the backlog of many supportive messages (and a few 🤨 ones) but also I’m going out with some friends tonight (DC is with his dad, which is lovely) so I might not get to it tonight. In DXp news, there has been a flurry of messages, love bomb-y in nature and also guilt ridden ones about how much money he is wasting furnishing the flat. He has said he’ll give me time but ultimately wants us to get married and all be a family. I am grey-rocking.

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Tableforjoan · 11/04/2026 17:33

PithyBeaker · 11/04/2026 17:26

tbf he actually does clean the toilets (way more than I do - bc I get a cleaner, while he would prefer not to pay), just not nearly regularly enough. He is very proud of the fact that he’s not afraid to scrub toilets. Has mentioned it more than once. In the same breath as calling me privileged, bougie, etc (which I am in some ways and very much not in others but that’s a different story). But I’ll be honest ladies: I’ve never scrubbed a toilet in my life and not starting now.

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My dh scrubs the toilet I wouldn’t ever I’d have to get a cleaner though like your ex not often enough for my liking 😅

PithyBeaker · 11/04/2026 17:35

PithyBeaker · 11/04/2026 17:26

tbf he actually does clean the toilets (way more than I do - bc I get a cleaner, while he would prefer not to pay), just not nearly regularly enough. He is very proud of the fact that he’s not afraid to scrub toilets. Has mentioned it more than once. In the same breath as calling me privileged, bougie, etc (which I am in some ways and very much not in others but that’s a different story). But I’ll be honest ladies: I’ve never scrubbed a toilet in my life and not starting now.

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Also - soul-digger is a great term. How it feels, exactly.

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Drpawpawspaw · 11/04/2026 17:36

In DXp news, there has been a flurry of messages, love bomb-y in nature and also guilt ridden ones about how much money he is wasting furnishing the flat. He has said he’ll give me time but ultimately wants us to get married and all be a family. I am grey-rocking.

@PithyBeaker all I’m reading here is someone who wants the cushy old status quo reinstated because he doesn’t like paying his way.

you are very much better out of this x

Tableforjoan · 11/04/2026 17:37

Married when he knows you don’t want to?

Furnishing his own flat is him wasting money?

I know you love/d him but what a waste of a body attached to a penis he is.

inickedthisname · 11/04/2026 17:38

Not sure how saying he wants to get married is supposed to reassure you, since you have always said you don’t want to get married and put your DS’s inheritance in jeopardy…

PithyBeaker · 11/04/2026 17:39

Catcatcatcatcat · 11/04/2026 15:40

She didn’t end the relationship, he did.

HTH

THIS

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PithyBeaker · 11/04/2026 17:41

inickedthisname · 11/04/2026 17:38

Not sure how saying he wants to get married is supposed to reassure you, since you have always said you don’t want to get married and put your DS’s inheritance in jeopardy…

Yeah I don’t get it either. He knows that. Very odd.

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bitterbuddhist · 11/04/2026 17:43

PithyBeaker · 11/04/2026 17:33

This was lovely, thank you. My own mum is a bit useless (haven’t told her any of this yet) so very much appreciate this. ❤️ Also to everyone who commented and I haven’t got around to responding to yet, I am trying to get through the backlog of many supportive messages (and a few 🤨 ones) but also I’m going out with some friends tonight (DC is with his dad, which is lovely) so I might not get to it tonight. In DXp news, there has been a flurry of messages, love bomb-y in nature and also guilt ridden ones about how much money he is wasting furnishing the flat. He has said he’ll give me time but ultimately wants us to get married and all be a family. I am grey-rocking.

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OP, I've been watching this with interest. I wonder if you could block him on all things apart from say email? PLEASE don't take this blighter back, I beg. Your son is relieved, and it will be lovely to have your well ordered house and life back again.

PithyBeaker · 11/04/2026 17:45

trumpisruin · 11/04/2026 12:39

I think you should make a detailed log of everything that happens.
He is acting as if he owns you. Personally I don't think I'd get in his car with him because that's his territory, you will be entering his lair, sorry if that sounds a bit dramatic!

That’s why we got in my car. Him in passenger seat.

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MrsMcGarry · 11/04/2026 17:46

BeaRightThere · 11/04/2026 14:54

I think people lose their tempers and swear at each other. I don't have the horror of swearing that so many on here have. I wouldn't consider it a relationship-ending offence.

I use the word cunt liberally about people. Usually people like Trump and Farage. There is a difference between doing that, and saying it with anger to the person you are meant to love. Or at least doing it more than a couple of times and apologising profusely afterwards. I'm sorry you've only experienced relationships where that level of vitriol towards each other is normal - having been in one of those for a long time, I know you get used to it, but a calm and caring relationship is so much better

Catcatcatcatcat · 11/04/2026 17:46

PithyBeaker · 11/04/2026 17:41

Yeah I don’t get it either. He knows that. Very odd.

Tbh he’s going to come out with any old shite now to try to regain his housing situation. It’s nothing to do with you (sadly) as he could continue a relationship with you if that was what was actually important to him.

Legolaslady · 11/04/2026 17:49

I bet he is absolutely dreading Friday night and deciding to his kids what's happened.
Pity he couldn't have thought of that when he was being such an entitled prick
I feel sorry for his kind though .. Having a dad who thinks his life is over until they get up and leave him alone

PithyBeaker · 11/04/2026 17:49

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 11/04/2026 12:48

What a cheek coming round when you told him not to.

I agree with the pp who said pack his stuff... so they don't spend hours in your house and he has ages to manipulate you. Do you have a garage... you could leave it there and tell him to collect.

And YES,.. DO change the locks...I know it may seen a bit OTT, but he will def have copies of the keys. somewhere on MN.. there's links on how easy and cheap it is to change the barrels.

I think you should tell him to come back on Monday and have a friend present.

Edited to add
If he's already made his way in... call a friend to come round now.. he will be less likely to spout hurtful abusive comments and recriminations if he knows there's someone there to witness... he wants to present himself as the victim. And the friend can help by telling him its time to leave.
Then pack up anything he has'nt taken today and text him to collect by a certain date.

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Ok, I appreciate the concern but, for the last time, he doesn’t have keys or copies. FWIW, the door is heavy steel and the keys are chunky and rather expensive to copy (not your normal key stamp jobby). I don’t believe he ever thought (before yesterday) that he better make a copy in case I chuck him out.

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Littlejellyuk · 11/04/2026 17:50

He offered a FWB situation on the one hand, and now he said he wants marriage and to be a family? What a turnaround! 🤣

He is a manipulative twat. 😡
Do not take this soul digger back.
He will blow up your phone and try to charm/guilt you into another chance, especially if you're feeling vulnerable.

Are you off out with pals tonight? Make sure you have a great time and do not let him worm his way back in later on, especially if he feigns worry "I want you to get home safe after being with pals" or "I'm lonely without you" as it's all manipulative bollocks.

@PithyBeaker sending hugs 🫂

PurpleVine · 11/04/2026 17:51

PithyBeaker · 11/04/2026 17:33

This was lovely, thank you. My own mum is a bit useless (haven’t told her any of this yet) so very much appreciate this. ❤️ Also to everyone who commented and I haven’t got around to responding to yet, I am trying to get through the backlog of many supportive messages (and a few 🤨 ones) but also I’m going out with some friends tonight (DC is with his dad, which is lovely) so I might not get to it tonight. In DXp news, there has been a flurry of messages, love bomb-y in nature and also guilt ridden ones about how much money he is wasting furnishing the flat. He has said he’ll give me time but ultimately wants us to get married and all be a family. I am grey-rocking.

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and there he is again with what he wants. nowt in there about what you want - or what's got you to breaking point in the first place.

put yourself in his shoes - if he told you he was miserable and you were taking him for granted, would you be texting him now moaning about furniture costs and telling him you want to get married? and accusing you of slinging him and his kids out on the street?

of course he wants to get married because it benefits him if you do. he'd have rights over your house for starters and if you'd been married now you wouldn't have been able to get him out the house. he knows this. it's about the money and he's been plain as day about it - ranting about equity, guilting you about paying rent and carrying on like paying bills is enough when he'd have rent or a mortgage + bills anywhere else!

he's also pulling the heartstrings about wanting a family - but family in this case means someone else to help look after his kids. he knows that his kids are going to get harder as they get older and that means less time for him to sit and game. it also means help with their costs because he's shelling out maintenance even though he doesn't need to, and getting your financial help makes it so much easier.

he makes a big noise about cleaning the bog - so bloody what? he's missing the point that talking about it doesn't get the fucking thing clean. if you don't want to clean the loo and you can pay for someone else to do it then fair do's and why the hell not? anyone can sit there and shout their mouth off about how they are a ninja with a toilet brush but actions speak louder than words and his nibs doesn't seem to be all that good about actually getting the job done. this is the man that calls you a cunt when you argue and whose every message has been about him his feelings and what he wants.

he sounds like he's got a chip on his shoulder that's the size of jacket spud. you are well shot of him. ignore him and don't reply.

PurpleVine · 11/04/2026 17:52

PithyBeaker · 11/04/2026 17:41

Yeah I don’t get it either. He knows that. Very odd.

not odd at all - he's only thinking about what he wants and what's best for him. he's not paying one jot of attention to anything you have said. it's very telling.

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