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Continuing an AIBU …

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PithyBeaker · 10/04/2026 19:22

Just continuing a thread I started a few days ago in AIBU for support as I figure out next steps ending my cohabitation.

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Glowingup · 11/04/2026 14:53

BeaRightThere · 11/04/2026 14:50

OP I really hope you haven't felt pressured by all the man-haters on here to end a relationship that you didn't really want to end.

I don't think your ex sounds like a monster and I'm not sure it couldn't all have been worked out.

Anyway it's over now, I hope you take care of yourself and your son and that you move on happily.

You think a man calling his partner a cunt is A-OK?

BeaRightThere · 11/04/2026 14:54

Glowingup · 11/04/2026 14:53

You think a man calling his partner a cunt is A-OK?

I think people lose their tempers and swear at each other. I don't have the horror of swearing that so many on here have. I wouldn't consider it a relationship-ending offence.

GCAcademic · 11/04/2026 14:55

BeaRightThere · 11/04/2026 14:50

OP I really hope you haven't felt pressured by all the man-haters on here to end a relationship that you didn't really want to end.

I don't think your ex sounds like a monster and I'm not sure it couldn't all have been worked out.

Anyway it's over now, I hope you take care of yourself and your son and that you move on happily.

"not a monster" is a pretty low bar for continuing a relationship. A lot of people have higher standards than that, and it's not like this man hasn't repeatedly been given opportunities to address his behaviour and situation.

outerspacepotato · 11/04/2026 14:55

I'm going to recommend reading Boundaries by Dr Henry Cloud. There's a caveat, he does insert Christianity, which is usually a big turn off for me, but it's not overly intrusive and I found it a really helpful book.

You're starting to come out of the FOG and right now, think support, self care, prioritize your son, and it's ok to go no contact for a day or two to give yourself peace. When you do have to be in contact, keep it as impersonal as you can. I don't think it's a good idea for his kids to come to your son's birthday party, sorry. The split needs to be complete for moving on for both you and your son. Is there something your son has always wanted to do? Check into that. Eat healthy, practice breathing exercises when you feel panicky, and let your family and friends know so they can support you.

Later, you might think about doing The Freedom Program.

outerspacepotato · 11/04/2026 14:59

BeaRightThere · 11/04/2026 14:54

I think people lose their tempers and swear at each other. I don't have the horror of swearing that so many on here have. I wouldn't consider it a relationship-ending offence.

We see that you think name calling is ok. 🙄

What's caused you to lose your temper?

BeaRightThere · 11/04/2026 15:00

GCAcademic · 11/04/2026 14:55

"not a monster" is a pretty low bar for continuing a relationship. A lot of people have higher standards than that, and it's not like this man hasn't repeatedly been given opportunities to address his behaviour and situation.

He's been called a monster repeatedly on the OP's two threads and at this point it's ramped up so far that apparently he's abusive and the OP needs the Freedom Programme.

It's a lot of drama over fairly resolvable relationship issues. I agree he absolutely has been given opportunities to address the issues and I think he should have. I just don't think he's a villain. I don't think it's surprising that he ended the relationship once the OP said she wanted him to move out. That was very clearly going to happen and I don't think he's wrong to do it. It's a shame they couldn't mutually resolve the situation and I feel sad for the OP because I can tell she did love this man and I'm far from convinced he's what everyone here is saying he is. Mumsnet loves to cheer on relationship breakups.

ThisJadeBear · 11/04/2026 15:00

BeaRightThere · 11/04/2026 14:50

OP I really hope you haven't felt pressured by all the man-haters on here to end a relationship that you didn't really want to end.

I don't think your ex sounds like a monster and I'm not sure it couldn't all have been worked out.

Anyway it's over now, I hope you take care of yourself and your son and that you move on happily.

I don’t think calling a man an abuser for calling is his partner a c*nt makes me a man hater.
I can assure you I love my other half, and my two brothers, my two BILs and my male friends who are all brilliant people. All different ages and backgrounds all have one thing in common: decency.
Just because a man’s ’not a monster’ doesn’t make him decent.
This one is a cocklodger, a CF, a selfish man who wants to offload so much onto OP here.
If he actually genuinely loved her, his own children and her child he can go and provide his own home for a while, sort his life out, his own children out and then get himself to a position where he can be an equal partner.
Oh, and he can reach his kids to wash their hands.
And never call OP names like that again.
All of those are standard things for a decent guy.
And I’m assuming you are one?!

BeaRightThere · 11/04/2026 15:01

outerspacepotato · 11/04/2026 14:59

We see that you think name calling is ok. 🙄

What's caused you to lose your temper?

I've you've never called anyone a name in the heat of the moment, well done you.

BeaRightThere · 11/04/2026 15:03

ThisJadeBear · 11/04/2026 15:00

I don’t think calling a man an abuser for calling is his partner a c*nt makes me a man hater.
I can assure you I love my other half, and my two brothers, my two BILs and my male friends who are all brilliant people. All different ages and backgrounds all have one thing in common: decency.
Just because a man’s ’not a monster’ doesn’t make him decent.
This one is a cocklodger, a CF, a selfish man who wants to offload so much onto OP here.
If he actually genuinely loved her, his own children and her child he can go and provide his own home for a while, sort his life out, his own children out and then get himself to a position where he can be an equal partner.
Oh, and he can reach his kids to wash their hands.
And never call OP names like that again.
All of those are standard things for a decent guy.
And I’m assuming you are one?!

God of course if I don't agree I have to be a man. So tiresome. I'm not a man. I'm very much a woman. I don't think calling someone a cunt is abusive and or relationship-ending. I disagree with you. It's possible. Other opinions exist.

WildLeader · 11/04/2026 15:04

BeaRightThere · 11/04/2026 14:54

I think people lose their tempers and swear at each other. I don't have the horror of swearing that so many on here have. I wouldn't consider it a relationship-ending offence.

there is a MASSIVE difference between losing your temper at a partner and calling them a cunt.

my OH on occasions causes me to lose my temper and not even once would it occur to me to call him a cunt. There’s a world of difference between using a word like twat and a word like cunt.

you must have a VERY low bar

BeaRightThere · 11/04/2026 15:05

WildLeader · 11/04/2026 15:04

there is a MASSIVE difference between losing your temper at a partner and calling them a cunt.

my OH on occasions causes me to lose my temper and not even once would it occur to me to call him a cunt. There’s a world of difference between using a word like twat and a word like cunt.

you must have a VERY low bar

Maybe it depends on where you're from. I don't consider it the worst word in the world. I don't think see the massive difference you see.

Holdinguphalfthesky · 11/04/2026 15:06

PithyBeaker · 11/04/2026 13:21

not caught up w everyone’s comments, trying to give DC my attention and put phone away. I left house and now he is saying he needs tools so I am going back for five mins to let him take tools. That’s it. Then grocery and gardening. Trying to keep DC away from the drama. He’s doing well and honestly seems relieved.

That your dc is relieved is telling.

That your ex is continuing to ignore your stated boundaries is equally telling.

My ex used to use the same lines about changing “tell me what you need me to do” [I’ve told and told you and you’ve agreed and agreed and then carried on as before]. It’s quite incredible levels of gaslighting, pretending that this (a) has come out of the blue; (b) means you never loved him- that it negates EVERYTHING you did for him and his children; and (c) is still a resolvable situation. Mine took a long time to get over it and he used a lot of emotional manipulation on our dc, and on me (of the ‘mummy doesn’t want to live with me and that means I can’t see you today/ I miss you/ I thought we got on alright…’) he also got quite difficult in a passive-aggressive, subtle way which he continues and which makes my life harder than it needs to be.

Luckily once yours has moved his stuff out you won’t need to put up with his nonsense. I do wish I’d been on Mumsnet back then, it would have helped me enormously to deal differently with everything.

Remember, everything he does now is designed to manipulate you into allowing him back and to continue the situation as it was, because that suited him. He isn’t interested in what suits you or your son.

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 11/04/2026 15:09

BeaRightThere · 11/04/2026 14:50

OP I really hope you haven't felt pressured by all the man-haters on here to end a relationship that you didn't really want to end.

I don't think your ex sounds like a monster and I'm not sure it couldn't all have been worked out.

Anyway it's over now, I hope you take care of yourself and your son and that you move on happily.

Man-haters?

Did you even read the last thread?

I'm not a man-hater (I'm married to one).

The OP is in an intolerable position. Ending this was the only thing she could have done.

WinterSunglasses · 11/04/2026 15:09

BeaRightThere · 11/04/2026 15:05

Maybe it depends on where you're from. I don't consider it the worst word in the world. I don't think see the massive difference you see.

So leaving that aside, what about this guy's failure to get his kids to be (more) tidy and clean in the house, or clean up after them himself, or rent out his flat to bring in money, or not pressure her to get her own son out of the house more, or go for a walk with OP instead of gaming? I agree that one thing doesn't have to be a deal breaker. Thing is, there were plenty of deal breakers and they added up. And he didn't want to change or compromise.

outerspacepotato · 11/04/2026 15:10

I recognize calling one's partner a cunt is verbal abuse and nope, I can't say I've ever called someone a cunt, much less my partner or husband.

Some of us have broken the cycle of abuse and keep our lives and those of kids free of abuse.

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 11/04/2026 15:11

BeaRightThere · 11/04/2026 14:54

I think people lose their tempers and swear at each other. I don't have the horror of swearing that so many on here have. I wouldn't consider it a relationship-ending offence.

Neither would I, but there have been many, many other reasons for the OP to conclude that ending this was inevitable.

inickedthisname · 11/04/2026 15:12

BeaRightThere · 11/04/2026 15:05

Maybe it depends on where you're from. I don't consider it the worst word in the world. I don't think see the massive difference you see.

So, I was raised in a house where my DF used the word cunt in front of me and my DM. He never ever used it in reference to my DM or me.

Maybe because I was raised in that environment, I don’t have the same problem with the word cunt as a lot of women, but if my DH called me a cunt I think that would be relationship ending.

I have recently realised that my upbringing was closer to abusive than I ever thought. I still don’t think it was abusive, but my parents weren’t great parents and I just never realised that. This guy sounds abusive to me. If you don’t see that, it’s possible you were raised similar to me and don’t see it for what it is. That’s possible too!

BeaRightThere · 11/04/2026 15:14

WinterSunglasses · 11/04/2026 15:09

So leaving that aside, what about this guy's failure to get his kids to be (more) tidy and clean in the house, or clean up after them himself, or rent out his flat to bring in money, or not pressure her to get her own son out of the house more, or go for a walk with OP instead of gaming? I agree that one thing doesn't have to be a deal breaker. Thing is, there were plenty of deal breakers and they added up. And he didn't want to change or compromise.

I totally agree should have tried to get his kids to clean up more and to do so himself (although I believe the OP said he did try to do this). I also agree he should've once again rented out the flat (I believe had done so before but found it overwhelming). And yep, he should've done more with the OP although personally I'm not someone who enjoys going for a walk - I'm sure alternatives could have been found. I think there was a compromise to be found and it's a shame it couldn't have been. As for pressuring her to get her son out of the house more - as the OP herself admits, she wanted his kids around less so could hardly blame him for wanting the same re. her son.

I'm not saying the OP shouldn't have asked him to leave. I just wonder if maybe another solution was possible, given she didn't actually want to break up, which was of course the inevitable consequence.

BeaRightThere · 11/04/2026 15:15

inickedthisname · 11/04/2026 15:12

So, I was raised in a house where my DF used the word cunt in front of me and my DM. He never ever used it in reference to my DM or me.

Maybe because I was raised in that environment, I don’t have the same problem with the word cunt as a lot of women, but if my DH called me a cunt I think that would be relationship ending.

I have recently realised that my upbringing was closer to abusive than I ever thought. I still don’t think it was abusive, but my parents weren’t great parents and I just never realised that. This guy sounds abusive to me. If you don’t see that, it’s possible you were raised similar to me and don’t see it for what it is. That’s possible too!

I was not raised in an abusive household and my father never uses the word, ever.

I however just don't see it as an enormous relationship-ending issue, if said in the heat of the moment in an argument (and to be clear I have rarely if ever said the word myself in the heat of the moment and my own children have never heard nor have they experienced their parents arguing in front of them). I just don't think it's as big as deal as everyone else here does.

inickedthisname · 11/04/2026 15:18

Well I can’t explain why you would tolerate someone speaking to you like that. As I said, I don’t think my parents were abusive either. But what would define as verbal abuse?

eta, that was to you @BeaRightThere

MotherOfCats71 · 11/04/2026 15:18

PithyBeaker · 11/04/2026 14:16

We are fine. He left and we are going grocery

I have read both threads and I must say I am incredibly proud of you. I see many startling similarities to my own story.

15 years ago i met a man, exceptionally handsome and charming. Much like you, I was talked into allowing him and his 2 children to move in with me and my 3. All under 7 at the time. Much like you I had a successful career and owned a beautiful 4 bed house. Much like you I was a fantastic mother.

Once in, he started to change. Niggling about bills, money, my children, my job. My mental health became worse and worse, my resources both financial and mental were both mostly spent on him. Like your son, my children said they were fine etc. He was also verbally abusive with name calling, Negging and sarcastic cruel humour at my expense.

After 5 years I kicked him out. I was exhausted, depleted, i felt neglected and sad. This is where it got BAD.

He started in with hundreds of texts, alternating between charm, rage, and begging. I engaged with this, spending days and days looking at nothing but my phone. My work was neglected as were my children. He eventually wore me down and he moved back in.

This cycle repeated many, many more times over the next six years, getting shorter and shorter in duration. Each time he moved back in, once the charm offensive was over, he punished me. I spent much of my life engaging in these text wars, I was eventually signed off from work due to various stress related illnesses, and I was not the amazing mother I had been.

After 11 years, I ended up in hospital for 12 days. Came out with a diagnosis of an autoimmune disorder, bought on by unrelenting stress over many years. I was unable to work, unable to drive, unable to do much of anything.

At this point, he dumped me for good. His appliance was completely beyond repair.

I lost my house and was very luckily removed into a council bungalow where I remain. I am badly disabled, need a wheelchair, suffer with immense pain, my eyesight is failing, my kidneys are messed up. My hands are next to useless. 2 of my 3 children have gone no contact with me and I absolutely do not blame them.

I never EVER thought my life at 54 would be this way. After tons of counselling I have had to make peace with myself and all the dreadful decisions I made to put myself here.

I am as contented as I can be, given my circumstances. But this is not where I wanted to end up.

My advice? Do not engage with him beyond practicalities. Do not even acknowledge his other messages.

Do not end up like me. I know my experience is extreme, my ex is a now diagnosed sociopathic narcissist and he was GOOD at what he did! But its a snapshot of what could be, nonetheless.

Glowingup · 11/04/2026 15:22

BeaRightThere · 11/04/2026 15:14

I totally agree should have tried to get his kids to clean up more and to do so himself (although I believe the OP said he did try to do this). I also agree he should've once again rented out the flat (I believe had done so before but found it overwhelming). And yep, he should've done more with the OP although personally I'm not someone who enjoys going for a walk - I'm sure alternatives could have been found. I think there was a compromise to be found and it's a shame it couldn't have been. As for pressuring her to get her son out of the house more - as the OP herself admits, she wanted his kids around less so could hardly blame him for wanting the same re. her son.

I'm not saying the OP shouldn't have asked him to leave. I just wonder if maybe another solution was possible, given she didn't actually want to break up, which was of course the inevitable consequence.

As long as she has A Man, Any Man, right? Thats the important thing.

Stigsmother · 11/04/2026 15:24

Sending strength Pithy

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 11/04/2026 15:25

I'm not saying the OP shouldn't have asked him to leave. I just wonder if maybe another solution was possible, given she didn't actually want to break up, which was of course the inevitable consequence

But she did, in the end, see that it was inevitable.
After really thinking about it, she absolutely did want to break up - both for her own sake, and that of her son.

ChocolateCinderToffee · 11/04/2026 15:26

@BeaRightThere You are the LAST thing the OP and women like her need.