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DP and when we have sex, would really appreciate some outside perspectives please

261 replies

manaliiiive · 08/04/2026 08:26

So DP and I have been together around 2 years. Both divorced, he has his kids 50 percent of the time - I visit occasionally when he has his DC but never stay over (neither of us want this to change).

Up until recently I had my DC (teens) 100 per cent of the time. This obviously made sex difficult and we used to go to DH’s when he had no kids and make time for it there.

DH’s home circumstances changed meaning it was much harder for us to have sex there although not impossible.

So we were left with the occasional very rare weekend night where we could sleep together overnight.

After about a year after consulting with my teens DP started staying at my house. All fine and we would have (very quiet, discreet) sex late at night when kids in bed, lock on the bedroom door. No issues arising from this.

The issue that we have always had in the relationship is that we only have sex when DP initiates it. If I initiate then I am invariably rejected, DP will also say things like ‘we’re not having sex tonight’ well in advance of us going to bed.

For context I do not have a particularly high sex drive, I’d be more than happy with twice a week or once if it’s a week when we aren’t seeing each other much.

But it’s very much that DP makes the decision. The only exception to this is if I spot a child free moment when we’re both available I could say something like ‘hey on Friday morning we’re both not working and no kids, do you fancy some alone time then go out for lunch’ or whatever. This I seem to be ‘allowed’ to initiate because I have asked in advance?

Anyway I had all this out with DP about a year ago as there were a few things that had upset me, given how little alone time we get I felt that he was prioritising other things rather than being intimate with me. For e.g. on rare child free nights getting pissed in front of the TV rather than taking the opportunity to go and have sex, leaping out of bed the next morning so there was no chance for us to have a bit of alone time.

I just didn’t feel he prioritised sex with me and still doesn’t. That’s not to say he doesn’t initiate - he does - but I never know when this will be so he can come over and stay for 5 days and we could have sex 3 times or none at all and it will all be down to what DP decides.

When I talked to him about this last summer he got upset and said I was accusing him of being controlling and that he ‘doesn’t know he is doing it’ I pointed out that he will literally flinch and move his face away if I try to kiss him beyond a peck on the lips.

I do recognise that people aren’t always in the mood, he also isn’t the healthiest and although there is no ED I think sex makes him tired (he’s not very fit due to a recent health problem) and just feels a bit too much like effort for him at times.

We went away for a rare child free weekends couple of weeks ago and basically didn’t have sex until the Sunday after I had a conversation about why we weren’t? I said I felt he was prioritising sleep and beer when we have so little alone time together. He said I was moody and that’s why he didn’t want to have sex with me.

Anyway (sorry this is long) in the last couple of months my ex has agree to have the kids one night a week so as of recently we have had one childfree night a week. Sometimes DP wants to have sex then and sometimes he doesn’t.

We were in the garden yesterday and he suddenly announced that we would no longer be having sex when my kids are in the house. I am of course happy to have a conversation about what’s made him feel uncomfortable etc. But that’s not what he initiated - just decreed that from now on sex is off the table basically 6 days out of 7.

I felt pretty rejected and upset because - although I am used to him rejecting me - I wasn’t prepared for it as we weren’t even talking about sex he just announced this out of the blue and I felt hurt and embarrassed.

We then had a long conversation about how I feel that I do not have any say in when we have sex (of course I can decline it, he is not remotely coercive I just need to make that clear). His response to this was:

He doesn’t know/believe he does this. I pointed out that I don’t bother trying to initiate any more so it would be hard for him to notice now - but gave the example of him announcing in the garden that we wouldn’t having sex most days any more as an example

If he does do this he isn’t aware that he is doing it, therefore this is just the way he is and I need to accept it because this is who he is and he can’t change

I have upset him because he believes I am accusing him of being controlling (i haven’t used that word) and his ex wife said he was controlling and that’s really unfair as it’s hit a really sensitive nerve as he was not controlling in the relationship at all.

He then basically intimated that I have to dump him if I am not happy as this is who he is and I must accept him as I am. He then said I’m not perfect and when my ex upsets me I sometimes ‘take it out’ on him. I acknowledged that at times when I’ve been upset about something else I’ve been upset with DP but also explained that I reflect, take accountability for my behaviour and always apologise.

Whereas DP’s take on this is that absolutely no reflection, apology or change is necessary with regards to his approach to sex I just need to accept him as he is or dump him.

Sorry this is so long, I absolutely appreciate that nobody is entitled to sex from somebody else, but does this really mean that they should never initiate it?

OP posts:
Thelnebriati · 08/04/2026 14:34

OP doesn't say he sometimes says no to sex, when he isn't in the mood. He always says no when she initiates sex.
Doing things for you can be controlling and transactional. OP might find out if he throws that back in her face.

That's 3 red flags for controlling behaviour, plus his ex says he's controlling. How many do you need?

Aluna · 08/04/2026 14:35

MrsCompayson · 08/04/2026 14:26

No, that is disingenuous. It's the lack of communication and I think withholding that is hard for the op to deal with. When I say withholding I don't mean the sex, it's more what the partner doesn't stay that is controlling.

He announces, he tells, he doesn't invite conversation he shuts it down.

Yes, you should never have sex if you don't want to but that is not what is happening here, she is not trying to force anything only clarify why he is announcing out of the blue that they will not be having sex until he says its ok. Yes, teens in the house, but open communication about it don't tell her what is and is not allowed.

Man in poor communication shocker. Some men just communicate badly and in black and white terms: I will do this I won’t do that. Particularly if there’s neurodiversity in the mix.

There’s no doubt communication is poor.

But I cannot agree that not wanting sex is “withholding” - that’s entitlement language.

Thelnebriati · 08/04/2026 14:36

He always says 'no' when OP initiates sex. There's a problem there and he won't discuss it.

MrsCompayson · 08/04/2026 14:45

Aluna · 08/04/2026 14:35

Man in poor communication shocker. Some men just communicate badly and in black and white terms: I will do this I won’t do that. Particularly if there’s neurodiversity in the mix.

There’s no doubt communication is poor.

But I cannot agree that not wanting sex is “withholding” - that’s entitlement language.

Op hasnt mentioned any ND. She has mentioned an ex partner who also felt he was controlling

Read my post again, I specifically say that not wanting sex is not, NOT the withholding part, so go away with your entitlement language. Its the honest and open and clear communication that is missing.

You seem to both want to make excuses for bad behaviour and also say 'well what can you expect, they are only men after all'. Low opinion of men really, isn't it?

OneNewEagle · 08/04/2026 14:50

Just finish with him .cut your losses and move on. He’s controlling the one thing he can prior to living together and so on in the future. Run for the hills.

Aluna · 08/04/2026 15:13

MrsCompayson · 08/04/2026 14:45

Op hasnt mentioned any ND. She has mentioned an ex partner who also felt he was controlling

Read my post again, I specifically say that not wanting sex is not, NOT the withholding part, so go away with your entitlement language. Its the honest and open and clear communication that is missing.

You seem to both want to make excuses for bad behaviour and also say 'well what can you expect, they are only men after all'. Low opinion of men really, isn't it?

OP hasn’t but posters have. We can see from his behaviour patterns why his ex would have made the same comment.

Your post was rather inarticulate, it wasn’t clear exactly what you were trying to say wrt “withholding”.

Posters may shoehorn DP into a dominance pattern. However - in a less simplistic more nuanced approach - does that really fit?. I see a pattern less of dominance more of anxiety, avoidance and performance issues and I agree Viagra may play a part.

You’ve interpreted his behaviour as “bad” whereas I’m simply saying we don’t actually know what’s going on from the picture presented and it may not be as appears.

I have never said: 'well what can you expect, they are only men after all’ or anything like it, that’s entirely your invention.

AndWorseAFemale · 08/04/2026 15:22

Two things stand out for me.

If he does do this he isn’t aware that he is doing it, therefore this is just the way he is and I need to accept it because this is who he is and he can’t change

What the hell is it with men declaring that we just have to accept all of their behaviour because it's completely outside of their control to change their behaviour!? My ex used to say this whenever I'd call him out on shitty behaviour and it's a big part of what caused me to end that relationship. He can improve his awareness of his behaviour and control it, he just doesn't want to, so he's hoping the "stop trying to change a fundamental part of who I am" line will work. Absolutely don't buy that, it's complete bullshit.

I have upset him because he believes I am accusing him of being controlling (i haven’t used that word) and his ex wife said he was controlling and that’s really unfair as it’s hit a really sensitive nerve as he was not controlling in the relationship at all.

By claiming to be hurt by you trying to bring up a problem with his behaviour, he is trying to control the narrative.

MrsCompayson · 08/04/2026 15:34

Aluna · 08/04/2026 15:13

OP hasn’t but posters have. We can see from his behaviour patterns why his ex would have made the same comment.

Your post was rather inarticulate, it wasn’t clear exactly what you were trying to say wrt “withholding”.

Posters may shoehorn DP into a dominance pattern. However - in a less simplistic more nuanced approach - does that really fit?. I see a pattern less of dominance more of anxiety, avoidance and performance issues and I agree Viagra may play a part.

You’ve interpreted his behaviour as “bad” whereas I’m simply saying we don’t actually know what’s going on from the picture presented and it may not be as appears.

I have never said: 'well what can you expect, they are only men after all’ or anything like it, that’s entirely your invention.

Well you are very articulate yourself, aren't you?

I think I will step away and let you talk to yourself. But...

You are trying to sound alot smarter than you actually are and have the cheek to say I am 'rather inarticulate'. You contradict yourself and take other people's opinions about viagra and ND as fact. Also using words like inarticulate, simplistic/nuanced, to present your ideas as superior to others.

You yourself say we don't know what's going on from the picture presented, but also say we can see something from his behaviour patterns. Are you a behavioural expert? ( asking questions like,does that fit that pattern?) No I am not a psychologist either.

So maybe just leave it and listen to the op.

Good luck op.

mattala · 08/04/2026 15:35

Get rid of him

Aluna · 08/04/2026 15:36

@MrsCompayson I haven’t taken anything as “fact” certainly not ND and viagra lulz.

There is certainly no mileage in continuing this conversation.

Monzo1ss · 08/04/2026 16:10

He does it because he knows it hurts/irritates you

its just a control thing, you’re basically his sex slave ie only have sex on his terms.

GlovedhandsCecilia · 08/04/2026 17:35

MrsCompayson · 08/04/2026 14:26

No, that is disingenuous. It's the lack of communication and I think withholding that is hard for the op to deal with. When I say withholding I don't mean the sex, it's more what the partner doesn't stay that is controlling.

He announces, he tells, he doesn't invite conversation he shuts it down.

Yes, you should never have sex if you don't want to but that is not what is happening here, she is not trying to force anything only clarify why he is announcing out of the blue that they will not be having sex until he says its ok. Yes, teens in the house, but open communication about it don't tell her what is and is not allowed.

If he doesnt want sex, there is nothing to discuss. Discussion will only lead to coercion

GlovedhandsCecilia · 08/04/2026 17:36

Thelnebriati · 08/04/2026 14:36

He always says 'no' when OP initiates sex. There's a problem there and he won't discuss it.

Maybe he very rarely wants sex. No is the correct thing to say when you dont want sex

GlovedhandsCecilia · 08/04/2026 17:37

Monzo1ss · 08/04/2026 16:10

He does it because he knows it hurts/irritates you

its just a control thing, you’re basically his sex slave ie only have sex on his terms.

Im goimg to save this comment to link to it when a woman says she doesnt want sex as often as her husband

GlovedhandsCecilia · 08/04/2026 17:38

AndWorseAFemale · 08/04/2026 15:22

Two things stand out for me.

If he does do this he isn’t aware that he is doing it, therefore this is just the way he is and I need to accept it because this is who he is and he can’t change

What the hell is it with men declaring that we just have to accept all of their behaviour because it's completely outside of their control to change their behaviour!? My ex used to say this whenever I'd call him out on shitty behaviour and it's a big part of what caused me to end that relationship. He can improve his awareness of his behaviour and control it, he just doesn't want to, so he's hoping the "stop trying to change a fundamental part of who I am" line will work. Absolutely don't buy that, it's complete bullshit.

I have upset him because he believes I am accusing him of being controlling (i haven’t used that word) and his ex wife said he was controlling and that’s really unfair as it’s hit a really sensitive nerve as he was not controlling in the relationship at all.

By claiming to be hurt by you trying to bring up a problem with his behaviour, he is trying to control the narrative.

Edited

If someone says no to sex with you, the law says you have to accept that. Even if its a man saying no to you.

DearDenimEagle · 08/04/2026 17:48

You with my ex? He used Viagra,and pretended he didn’t for a while, but I could always tell so in the end I challenged him and told him to stop pretending. I didn’t care, but I knew the difference between when he used it and when he didn’t. It’s obvious.
Anyway, I was usually, later always rejected if I approached him for sex. He would initiate any time of day or night. TBH, it was more like claiming ownership/ domination / control than an emotional, loving connection. You’re mine and I can take you whenever I want but it’s when I say. Don’t bother asking because you won’t get.
Id believe the wife. I wouldn’t believe a word he says about improving etc. Mine said whatever he thought I wanted to hear and I wanted to believe him. I was the greatest thing since sliced bread, the love of his life, no one had ever made him feel so special and cared about. His exes were crazy, or cold, or unreasonable. They had their own opinions of him and he’d even tell me about what they said, with incredulity, show me a letter the ex wife wrote in response to some contact he had initiated, with a see, look how she makes things up.

She didn’t. With time it was clear his exes were not crazy or unreasonable. They were normal, whatever that is, women who had been conned into believing he was a caring human being, when underneath he was a monster, control freak who was as nice as pie one day, then cruel and indifferent the next. He would sympathise with my problems, fix my car, help my kids, offer to pay for my grandson to go to Harvard when he was old enough and pay legal costs for another in dispute with a brother. None of which actually happened. A rollercoaster of being nice, then evil till I started slipping away when he’d turn on the fake loving again. I’d think, if I tried harder, he’d be the person I fell for again. It must be me. But it wasn’t. It was progressive. Several years before the mask really fell off…he puts it on now, even though I divorced him, when he wants something.

I’m getting red flags re your man. He wants you to be hurt by rejection and then make it your fault. Control. Makes him feel powerful by crushing you . Then he can afford to be magnanimous..till you need putting back in your box

MrsCompayson · 08/04/2026 19:12

GlovedhandsCecilia · 08/04/2026 17:35

If he doesnt want sex, there is nothing to discuss. Discussion will only lead to coercion

You are misrepresenting the situation.

It's not one isolated situation, where he has refused sex, it's many strange unnatural comments and actions that are confusing and hurtful for the op, please read the original posts again.

And why do some posters think it's ok to hint others posters don't respect consent? Does it make them feel good to try and baslessly shame people?

The op said he 'plays' with her nipples and says no it doesn't mean I want sex, I just love your breasts? She says she does consent( and I hope you don't mind me bringing it up op) but that surely is some sort of messed up intermittent response/arousal conditioning? Its strange whatever it is.

GlovedhandsCecilia · 08/04/2026 21:09

MrsCompayson · 08/04/2026 19:12

You are misrepresenting the situation.

It's not one isolated situation, where he has refused sex, it's many strange unnatural comments and actions that are confusing and hurtful for the op, please read the original posts again.

And why do some posters think it's ok to hint others posters don't respect consent? Does it make them feel good to try and baslessly shame people?

The op said he 'plays' with her nipples and says no it doesn't mean I want sex, I just love your breasts? She says she does consent( and I hope you don't mind me bringing it up op) but that surely is some sort of messed up intermittent response/arousal conditioning? Its strange whatever it is.

Just because someone wants some sexual contact, it doesn't mean that they want to "go all the way". If the OP doesn't want sexual contact without sex, it is within her rights to say no.

DearDenimEagle · 08/04/2026 21:13

Yes..he is teasing, raising expectations or hope so he can crush her down with a rejection, and if she complains, he makes himself the victim…poor misunderstood creature who isn’t given credit for anything good.
From what I read, he’s a vile manipulating gaslighter

WinterSunglasses · 08/04/2026 21:16

GlovedhandsCecilia · 08/04/2026 21:09

Just because someone wants some sexual contact, it doesn't mean that they want to "go all the way". If the OP doesn't want sexual contact without sex, it is within her rights to say no.

This could also be a point where you set a new boundary OP. Move his hands immediately and tell him that he's said no sex these days of the week so you don't want him getting you going when that's the case. You are in the pattern of not stopping any kind of physical advance but I think this is one where you have a good reason for it and it would be telling to see how he reacts. Otherwise you're a bit too close being a toy for him to play with but on his terms only.

LouiseMadetheBestBroccoliPasta · 08/04/2026 21:27

GlovedhandsCecilia · 08/04/2026 21:09

Just because someone wants some sexual contact, it doesn't mean that they want to "go all the way". If the OP doesn't want sexual contact without sex, it is within her rights to say no.

If you're the lower libido partner, and the higher libido partner has alluded to wanting more sex, it's a basic courtesy that you refrain from deliberately turning the higher libido partner on without having any intention to have sex with them.

That goes for men and women.

GlovedhandsCecilia · 08/04/2026 21:42

LouiseMadetheBestBroccoliPasta · 08/04/2026 21:27

If you're the lower libido partner, and the higher libido partner has alluded to wanting more sex, it's a basic courtesy that you refrain from deliberately turning the higher libido partner on without having any intention to have sex with them.

That goes for men and women.

Lol really?

Bl33dingnonsense · 08/04/2026 22:05

He has erectile dysfunction. He initiates it when he’s planned ahead and taken a viagra, accepts your plans that are made in advance as he can do this and rejects you when it’s spontaneous as he can’t perform.
His response is defensive as he’d rather seem like an a-hole than admit he has a problem.

IceyBisBack · 08/04/2026 23:16

Definitely ED..... i would start saying no to him when he asks and leave him with a massive stonker!!!

PrincessFairyWren · 09/04/2026 13:55

Plenty of men have ED but still manage to not act like arseholes. There is more to this than ED.

As for the posters suggesting communicating to their partners about patterns of rejection and initiation that they have recognized and their general
satisfaction (or lack of) in their sex lives are bonkers. No one is suggesting that the OP
is coercing her partner. She just wants to know what is going on. She is actually listening to his responses and reflecting on what he has said.