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DP and when we have sex, would really appreciate some outside perspectives please

261 replies

manaliiiive · 08/04/2026 08:26

So DP and I have been together around 2 years. Both divorced, he has his kids 50 percent of the time - I visit occasionally when he has his DC but never stay over (neither of us want this to change).

Up until recently I had my DC (teens) 100 per cent of the time. This obviously made sex difficult and we used to go to DH’s when he had no kids and make time for it there.

DH’s home circumstances changed meaning it was much harder for us to have sex there although not impossible.

So we were left with the occasional very rare weekend night where we could sleep together overnight.

After about a year after consulting with my teens DP started staying at my house. All fine and we would have (very quiet, discreet) sex late at night when kids in bed, lock on the bedroom door. No issues arising from this.

The issue that we have always had in the relationship is that we only have sex when DP initiates it. If I initiate then I am invariably rejected, DP will also say things like ‘we’re not having sex tonight’ well in advance of us going to bed.

For context I do not have a particularly high sex drive, I’d be more than happy with twice a week or once if it’s a week when we aren’t seeing each other much.

But it’s very much that DP makes the decision. The only exception to this is if I spot a child free moment when we’re both available I could say something like ‘hey on Friday morning we’re both not working and no kids, do you fancy some alone time then go out for lunch’ or whatever. This I seem to be ‘allowed’ to initiate because I have asked in advance?

Anyway I had all this out with DP about a year ago as there were a few things that had upset me, given how little alone time we get I felt that he was prioritising other things rather than being intimate with me. For e.g. on rare child free nights getting pissed in front of the TV rather than taking the opportunity to go and have sex, leaping out of bed the next morning so there was no chance for us to have a bit of alone time.

I just didn’t feel he prioritised sex with me and still doesn’t. That’s not to say he doesn’t initiate - he does - but I never know when this will be so he can come over and stay for 5 days and we could have sex 3 times or none at all and it will all be down to what DP decides.

When I talked to him about this last summer he got upset and said I was accusing him of being controlling and that he ‘doesn’t know he is doing it’ I pointed out that he will literally flinch and move his face away if I try to kiss him beyond a peck on the lips.

I do recognise that people aren’t always in the mood, he also isn’t the healthiest and although there is no ED I think sex makes him tired (he’s not very fit due to a recent health problem) and just feels a bit too much like effort for him at times.

We went away for a rare child free weekends couple of weeks ago and basically didn’t have sex until the Sunday after I had a conversation about why we weren’t? I said I felt he was prioritising sleep and beer when we have so little alone time together. He said I was moody and that’s why he didn’t want to have sex with me.

Anyway (sorry this is long) in the last couple of months my ex has agree to have the kids one night a week so as of recently we have had one childfree night a week. Sometimes DP wants to have sex then and sometimes he doesn’t.

We were in the garden yesterday and he suddenly announced that we would no longer be having sex when my kids are in the house. I am of course happy to have a conversation about what’s made him feel uncomfortable etc. But that’s not what he initiated - just decreed that from now on sex is off the table basically 6 days out of 7.

I felt pretty rejected and upset because - although I am used to him rejecting me - I wasn’t prepared for it as we weren’t even talking about sex he just announced this out of the blue and I felt hurt and embarrassed.

We then had a long conversation about how I feel that I do not have any say in when we have sex (of course I can decline it, he is not remotely coercive I just need to make that clear). His response to this was:

He doesn’t know/believe he does this. I pointed out that I don’t bother trying to initiate any more so it would be hard for him to notice now - but gave the example of him announcing in the garden that we wouldn’t having sex most days any more as an example

If he does do this he isn’t aware that he is doing it, therefore this is just the way he is and I need to accept it because this is who he is and he can’t change

I have upset him because he believes I am accusing him of being controlling (i haven’t used that word) and his ex wife said he was controlling and that’s really unfair as it’s hit a really sensitive nerve as he was not controlling in the relationship at all.

He then basically intimated that I have to dump him if I am not happy as this is who he is and I must accept him as I am. He then said I’m not perfect and when my ex upsets me I sometimes ‘take it out’ on him. I acknowledged that at times when I’ve been upset about something else I’ve been upset with DP but also explained that I reflect, take accountability for my behaviour and always apologise.

Whereas DP’s take on this is that absolutely no reflection, apology or change is necessary with regards to his approach to sex I just need to accept him as he is or dump him.

Sorry this is so long, I absolutely appreciate that nobody is entitled to sex from somebody else, but does this really mean that they should never initiate it?

OP posts:
deveronvalley · 08/04/2026 11:08

oh gosh this whole situation is absolutely screaming viagra use or ED after his health episode and him being so mortified about it he’ll say any number of lies or even be unkind to you, push you away to avoid talking about it. I really think he’s got himself in a right mess here, you sound really nice (as does he actually, with everything else you’ve said about him!) but he’s completely ruining it. What an idiot he is!

manaliiiive · 08/04/2026 11:09

toomuchgarliceek · 08/04/2026 11:08

Sorry I have a different perspective on this. Call me what you want, I'm old fashioned or whatever, but just let him initiate when he wants for a while at least.

You are turning it into a loaded battlefield, or you both are.

Men of a certain age or not in great health, it can be pressure on them to perform. Honestly, just drop it and let him initiate for a while.

I’ve done this for the last 9 months. Literally

OP posts:
FictionalCharacter · 08/04/2026 11:10

His ex wife said he was controlling, he says he isn't, and here he is, controlling you.

This isn't a healthy relationship. You're not happy about some important aspects. He gets annoyed at you when you say so. His idea of a fun evening is, in your own words, to sit in front of the telly getting pissed. He teases you by playing with your nipples then says he doesn't want sex. He really doesn't sound very nice.

Sure, he does some gardening for you and the sex is good when he decides it's happening. Is that worth putting up with the rest of it?

It really does sound like he could have ED (possibly alcohol related) and is scheduling his Viagra doses, hence never being spontaneous. Which would mean he hasn't been open with you, at all. If it isn't that, he just isn't very nice.

manaliiiive · 08/04/2026 11:13

deveronvalley · 08/04/2026 11:08

oh gosh this whole situation is absolutely screaming viagra use or ED after his health episode and him being so mortified about it he’ll say any number of lies or even be unkind to you, push you away to avoid talking about it. I really think he’s got himself in a right mess here, you sound really nice (as does he actually, with everything else you’ve said about him!) but he’s completely ruining it. What an idiot he is!

Edited

This is honestly my preferred explanation!! But he won’t talk or acknowledge it so who knows.

I did once find a once a day type ED pill in the drawer when i was looking for painkillers( honestly wasn’t snoopy he told me to help myself) but i thought the idea of those is that they are taken once a day not before the act and i never asked about them as i assume he knew there was a chance i might see them and wasn’t bothered to they were historic or something.

I don’t want to bring it up with him now as it think he’s clearly embarrassed but saving his embarrassment has potentially caused all these issues for me

OP posts:
manaliiiive · 08/04/2026 11:19

and mid 40s to whoever asked our ages, sorry i didn’t andwecthat before

OP posts:
Sartre · 08/04/2026 11:22

I wouldn’t say this is usual after 2 years OP. It’s something you expect to happen after many years together and usually when young children are in the mix so everyone’s knackered and a bit moody with one another. He should have been all over you to be frank at this stage in the relationship, you shouldn’t be having to practically beg for sex. I would rethink the relationship, I don’t think you’re compatible.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 08/04/2026 11:23

What do you get out of this relationship now?.

What do you know of his past relationship history, that often gives clues.

If you cannot talk to him about this your relationship has real problems. He is the problem here. Not you.

Better to be single than to be this badly accompanied. And your kids pick up on all your reactions to him both spoken and unspoken.

manaliiiive · 08/04/2026 11:27

Tacohill · 08/04/2026 10:59

What happens if he initiates and you say no?

What happens if he initiates it but you want to do certain positions or be in charge?

He is totally accepting if I say no. We have no issues with consent.

He takes the lead I would say but I can change positions take charge etc (and he likes it when I do and compliments me on being good in bed)

He is so confusing!!

OP posts:
PermanentTemporary · 08/04/2026 11:30

I would be really upset if dp behaved like this.

I suppose I do think that attempts to control often come from a place of weakness and anxiety, not a desire to overpower. I’m also aware that a lot of men reach a point where they never actively initiate because it is a solution both to feeling rejected and to avoid feeling like a sex pest. I’d agree that it also sounds as if ED has been or is an issue for him.

None if that means you have to put up with it - as I say, I’d be very upset if dp behaved in this way - but you also imo don’t have to agree with everything or react angrily to it. Could just say that it sounds as if it’s something to discuss further, maybe.

AuntiePat21 · 08/04/2026 11:35

I don’t know I’m doing it is a typical statement from an abusive personality when a concern is raised.

The statement should signal the end of the relationship because there’s only two possibilities. One is that the person is manipulating you and the other is that they truly are that disconnected and unaware of their own behaviour.

Both are deal breakers.

Crushed23 · 08/04/2026 11:36

If the genders were reversed you’d be accused of being a sex pest.

He’s allowed to not want sex for any reason and to decline it when you initiate and he’s not in the mood. Sex once a week is more than enough for a lot of people, especially in middle age (as I assume he is).

You’re just incompatible, and I agree with others that you should end it and move on.

BoxingHare · 08/04/2026 11:45

manaliiiive · 08/04/2026 09:10

I really appreciate this post for balance, thank you, as this is usually where my mindset is with it so it’s helpful to see someone articulate it

In your OP you say you've got a pretty low sex drive then go on to describe how, every time you see an opportunity, you suggest sex.

I'd be dreading the idea of upcoming alone time with my partner if, every time, he just wanted sex!

Ragamuffin8 · 08/04/2026 11:47

Does he need to take pills beforehand so needs advance notice? Maybe he’s embarrassed to tell you.

But it’s no excuse for his behaviour.

manaliiiive · 08/04/2026 11:50

BoxingHare · 08/04/2026 11:45

In your OP you say you've got a pretty low sex drive then go on to describe how, every time you see an opportunity, you suggest sex.

I'd be dreading the idea of upcoming alone time with my partner if, every time, he just wanted sex!

Sorry could you point me to where i actually said the things you’ve imagine? I never said I had a low sex drive and i certainly never mentioned ‘every opportunity I get’.

Im very happy to hear different opinions but please don’t add your own fiction to the mix as it isn’t helpful

OP posts:
Purplecatshopaholic · 08/04/2026 11:51

Daisydoesnt · 08/04/2026 08:33

He sounds incredibly controlling and frankly pretty unpleasant and I think you know that. His claim that he “doesn’t know that he is doing it” is total BS if you have pointed it out to him multiple times. He’s just using it as an excuse for his awful behaviour.

Edited

Ugh. He’s controlling and unpleasant, and making you feel shit about yourself. Time to dump!

PrincessFairyWren · 08/04/2026 11:51

My DH was just like this. For years. We are separated now and unlikely to reunite. However it was a big issue for me. I understand not pressuring anyone for sex but this was completely rejection of my initiation attempt for well over a decade. Flinching if I ever started touching him first etc. Sometimes if he was clearly already in the mood he would tell me that I was allowed to initiate but only on those very very rare occasions when he announced it but that had no correlation to whether I actually felt in the mood at all.

Some things that have come to light in regards to the problem.

  • he says me asking for sex or any indication that I am hoping for sex add him feel like he had to perform and stressed him / gave him anxiety.
  • he thinks that it is unladylike for a woman to initiate or come across as too sexual.
  • he is ND and likes to have plans in his head if what he was going to do that evening. If I suggest sex or attempt to cuddle him that is distracting or interferes with his plans.
  • he loathes getting interrupted in his thoughts so if I were to put my arm around him while lying in bed for example he would find that distracting or annoying.

aside from this he did occasionally take viagra. He was mid 50’s and was fit but had high blood pressure due to genetics. He hated taking medication because he was Mr Clean Living but also said it gave him headaches.

I never ever pressured him to take viagra and would have been happy with sexual play or other activities but he just couldn’t come to terms with me having any agency.

Like the OP he used to be very keen on making me orgasm and definitely did not let me down there. It seems so weird but it just always seemed on his terms and made me feel like a special project or something rather than a sexual person with agency.

I tried to convince myself for a very long time that it was me and I was bad for exerting pressure on him to have sex but it was definitely a weird dynamic of him writing and following a script.

MyDeftDuck · 08/04/2026 11:51

Sorry OP, but you are keeping yourself at his sexual beck and call and that’s no way to have a healthy relationship is it?
You state that you both have separate finances and homes…….please keep it that way and go find yourself someone who values you and wants to be with you.

Aluna · 08/04/2026 11:56

MyDeftDuck · 08/04/2026 11:51

Sorry OP, but you are keeping yourself at his sexual beck and call and that’s no way to have a healthy relationship is it?
You state that you both have separate finances and homes…….please keep it that way and go find yourself someone who values you and wants to be with you.

If a woman with a lower sex drive wanted to set boundaries around when she had sex and her DP responded that she “expected him to be at her sexual beck and call” would you think that was “healthy”? I’d say it was manipulative.

manaliiiive · 08/04/2026 11:57

PrincessFairyWren · 08/04/2026 11:51

My DH was just like this. For years. We are separated now and unlikely to reunite. However it was a big issue for me. I understand not pressuring anyone for sex but this was completely rejection of my initiation attempt for well over a decade. Flinching if I ever started touching him first etc. Sometimes if he was clearly already in the mood he would tell me that I was allowed to initiate but only on those very very rare occasions when he announced it but that had no correlation to whether I actually felt in the mood at all.

Some things that have come to light in regards to the problem.

  • he says me asking for sex or any indication that I am hoping for sex add him feel like he had to perform and stressed him / gave him anxiety.
  • he thinks that it is unladylike for a woman to initiate or come across as too sexual.
  • he is ND and likes to have plans in his head if what he was going to do that evening. If I suggest sex or attempt to cuddle him that is distracting or interferes with his plans.
  • he loathes getting interrupted in his thoughts so if I were to put my arm around him while lying in bed for example he would find that distracting or annoying.

aside from this he did occasionally take viagra. He was mid 50’s and was fit but had high blood pressure due to genetics. He hated taking medication because he was Mr Clean Living but also said it gave him headaches.

I never ever pressured him to take viagra and would have been happy with sexual play or other activities but he just couldn’t come to terms with me having any agency.

Like the OP he used to be very keen on making me orgasm and definitely did not let me down there. It seems so weird but it just always seemed on his terms and made me feel like a special project or something rather than a sexual person with agency.

I tried to convince myself for a very long time that it was me and I was bad for exerting pressure on him to have sex but it was definitely a weird dynamic of him writing and following a script.

Thank you for this post. My ex DH was autistic (diagnosed) and was so selfish and detached.

Im so scared of being in a similar relationship it’s hard to tell what is a red flag of me being hypersensitive.

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Viviennemary · 08/04/2026 11:57

He does sound controlling. But he is not comfortable having sex with somebody who isn't his wife in a house where there are teenagers. I can understand this. If this situation isn't going to change maybe its time to call it a day.

manaliiiive · 08/04/2026 11:58

Viviennemary · 08/04/2026 11:57

He does sound controlling. But he is not comfortable having sex with somebody who isn't his wife in a house where there are teenagers. I can understand this. If this situation isn't going to change maybe its time to call it a day.

He’s been absolutely fine with it for the last year he’s just suddenly announced it’s not happening any more like he’s the grand high master of sex

OP posts:
itsonlyafuckingbiscuit · 08/04/2026 12:04

PrincessFairyWren · 08/04/2026 11:51

My DH was just like this. For years. We are separated now and unlikely to reunite. However it was a big issue for me. I understand not pressuring anyone for sex but this was completely rejection of my initiation attempt for well over a decade. Flinching if I ever started touching him first etc. Sometimes if he was clearly already in the mood he would tell me that I was allowed to initiate but only on those very very rare occasions when he announced it but that had no correlation to whether I actually felt in the mood at all.

Some things that have come to light in regards to the problem.

  • he says me asking for sex or any indication that I am hoping for sex add him feel like he had to perform and stressed him / gave him anxiety.
  • he thinks that it is unladylike for a woman to initiate or come across as too sexual.
  • he is ND and likes to have plans in his head if what he was going to do that evening. If I suggest sex or attempt to cuddle him that is distracting or interferes with his plans.
  • he loathes getting interrupted in his thoughts so if I were to put my arm around him while lying in bed for example he would find that distracting or annoying.

aside from this he did occasionally take viagra. He was mid 50’s and was fit but had high blood pressure due to genetics. He hated taking medication because he was Mr Clean Living but also said it gave him headaches.

I never ever pressured him to take viagra and would have been happy with sexual play or other activities but he just couldn’t come to terms with me having any agency.

Like the OP he used to be very keen on making me orgasm and definitely did not let me down there. It seems so weird but it just always seemed on his terms and made me feel like a special project or something rather than a sexual person with agency.

I tried to convince myself for a very long time that it was me and I was bad for exerting pressure on him to have sex but it was definitely a weird dynamic of him writing and following a script.

This is a superhelpful post. Thank you for sharing. I'm sure it's really helpful to the OP 😊

Creamyes · 08/04/2026 12:07

I think he sounds extremely controlling and pretty vile.

You sound as if you have very low self esteem that you would be tolerating this.

You are not happy.
Time to move on.
Thank goodness you haven't moved him in.

DeepRubySwan · 08/04/2026 12:08

GET OUT! Like get out of this relationship now. If it is like this only 2 years in you are completely wasting your time with this man. It is controlling and is also emotional abuse. Who gives a fuck why. Because he's a loser probably and likes to feel power over somebody else. Just leave.

WinterSunglasses · 08/04/2026 12:09

What do you think would happen if you initiated, he declined as usual, and then you said 'you know how you say you never do this? You've just done it, right there'