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DP and when we have sex, would really appreciate some outside perspectives please

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manaliiiive · 08/04/2026 08:26

So DP and I have been together around 2 years. Both divorced, he has his kids 50 percent of the time - I visit occasionally when he has his DC but never stay over (neither of us want this to change).

Up until recently I had my DC (teens) 100 per cent of the time. This obviously made sex difficult and we used to go to DH’s when he had no kids and make time for it there.

DH’s home circumstances changed meaning it was much harder for us to have sex there although not impossible.

So we were left with the occasional very rare weekend night where we could sleep together overnight.

After about a year after consulting with my teens DP started staying at my house. All fine and we would have (very quiet, discreet) sex late at night when kids in bed, lock on the bedroom door. No issues arising from this.

The issue that we have always had in the relationship is that we only have sex when DP initiates it. If I initiate then I am invariably rejected, DP will also say things like ‘we’re not having sex tonight’ well in advance of us going to bed.

For context I do not have a particularly high sex drive, I’d be more than happy with twice a week or once if it’s a week when we aren’t seeing each other much.

But it’s very much that DP makes the decision. The only exception to this is if I spot a child free moment when we’re both available I could say something like ‘hey on Friday morning we’re both not working and no kids, do you fancy some alone time then go out for lunch’ or whatever. This I seem to be ‘allowed’ to initiate because I have asked in advance?

Anyway I had all this out with DP about a year ago as there were a few things that had upset me, given how little alone time we get I felt that he was prioritising other things rather than being intimate with me. For e.g. on rare child free nights getting pissed in front of the TV rather than taking the opportunity to go and have sex, leaping out of bed the next morning so there was no chance for us to have a bit of alone time.

I just didn’t feel he prioritised sex with me and still doesn’t. That’s not to say he doesn’t initiate - he does - but I never know when this will be so he can come over and stay for 5 days and we could have sex 3 times or none at all and it will all be down to what DP decides.

When I talked to him about this last summer he got upset and said I was accusing him of being controlling and that he ‘doesn’t know he is doing it’ I pointed out that he will literally flinch and move his face away if I try to kiss him beyond a peck on the lips.

I do recognise that people aren’t always in the mood, he also isn’t the healthiest and although there is no ED I think sex makes him tired (he’s not very fit due to a recent health problem) and just feels a bit too much like effort for him at times.

We went away for a rare child free weekends couple of weeks ago and basically didn’t have sex until the Sunday after I had a conversation about why we weren’t? I said I felt he was prioritising sleep and beer when we have so little alone time together. He said I was moody and that’s why he didn’t want to have sex with me.

Anyway (sorry this is long) in the last couple of months my ex has agree to have the kids one night a week so as of recently we have had one childfree night a week. Sometimes DP wants to have sex then and sometimes he doesn’t.

We were in the garden yesterday and he suddenly announced that we would no longer be having sex when my kids are in the house. I am of course happy to have a conversation about what’s made him feel uncomfortable etc. But that’s not what he initiated - just decreed that from now on sex is off the table basically 6 days out of 7.

I felt pretty rejected and upset because - although I am used to him rejecting me - I wasn’t prepared for it as we weren’t even talking about sex he just announced this out of the blue and I felt hurt and embarrassed.

We then had a long conversation about how I feel that I do not have any say in when we have sex (of course I can decline it, he is not remotely coercive I just need to make that clear). His response to this was:

He doesn’t know/believe he does this. I pointed out that I don’t bother trying to initiate any more so it would be hard for him to notice now - but gave the example of him announcing in the garden that we wouldn’t having sex most days any more as an example

If he does do this he isn’t aware that he is doing it, therefore this is just the way he is and I need to accept it because this is who he is and he can’t change

I have upset him because he believes I am accusing him of being controlling (i haven’t used that word) and his ex wife said he was controlling and that’s really unfair as it’s hit a really sensitive nerve as he was not controlling in the relationship at all.

He then basically intimated that I have to dump him if I am not happy as this is who he is and I must accept him as I am. He then said I’m not perfect and when my ex upsets me I sometimes ‘take it out’ on him. I acknowledged that at times when I’ve been upset about something else I’ve been upset with DP but also explained that I reflect, take accountability for my behaviour and always apologise.

Whereas DP’s take on this is that absolutely no reflection, apology or change is necessary with regards to his approach to sex I just need to accept him as he is or dump him.

Sorry this is so long, I absolutely appreciate that nobody is entitled to sex from somebody else, but does this really mean that they should never initiate it?

OP posts:
manaliiiive · 08/04/2026 13:17

BoxingHare · 08/04/2026 13:12

For context I do not have a particularly high sex drive

Argue semantics as you like, it's you with the problem not me.

It’s not particularly high. It’s pretty average.

I’m not going to argue with the single impolite poster on a thread of incredibly helpful posters because the way you’ve chosen to behave on the thread shows a lot about you.

OP posts:
manaliiiive · 08/04/2026 13:18

Aluna · 08/04/2026 13:12

@LouiseMadetheBestBroccoliPasta There are many different interpretations of his behaviour.

There really are!! Hence why I appreciate all the posts (except the made up one)

OP posts:
Badballerina · 08/04/2026 13:18

I wondered whether he had to take Viagra and therefore had to plan in advance and was not able to respond to your initiation, That would be understandable but he's also a poor communicator and controlling so bin and move on sadly

tripleginandtonic · 08/04/2026 13:21

Its not so much thr sex, but the lack of affection he appears to have Time for pastures new OP, as you say you have no ties with him.

whattheysay · 08/04/2026 13:24

curlyfriess · 08/04/2026 09:19

Are you sure he's not using viagra and so needs to plan in advance a bit? You say it's ok if you give him advance warning so was wondering if that could be it.

Otherwise it doesn't really sound like this relationship is working for you. It doesn't really matter who is right or wrong - sexually this doesn't work for you.

I thought this too about the viagra

Riapia · 08/04/2026 13:25

You can control things when he initiates sex. A firm “no” may change the dynamic. Make him think.
😉😁.

Lavender14 · 08/04/2026 13:31

I hrtft but just wanted to say op that while yes people will have different sex drives etc, there's a way to go about it and if you can't even have a good kiss without him flinching then that's going to affect your self esteem. It just doesn't sound like you're getting your needs meet emotionally in this relationship never mind physically. And his rigidity and how immediately he shuts you down means he's not really open to hearing how this affects you.

Truthfully I'd be throwing this one back op.

ChiliFiend · 08/04/2026 13:32

It sounds like he is not actually listening to you - when you raise an issue and he says "that's just the way it is, deal with it or break up with me," that is a massive red flag. It won't be limited to this one issue.

Dalston · 08/04/2026 13:32

manaliiiive · 08/04/2026 08:26

So DP and I have been together around 2 years. Both divorced, he has his kids 50 percent of the time - I visit occasionally when he has his DC but never stay over (neither of us want this to change).

Up until recently I had my DC (teens) 100 per cent of the time. This obviously made sex difficult and we used to go to DH’s when he had no kids and make time for it there.

DH’s home circumstances changed meaning it was much harder for us to have sex there although not impossible.

So we were left with the occasional very rare weekend night where we could sleep together overnight.

After about a year after consulting with my teens DP started staying at my house. All fine and we would have (very quiet, discreet) sex late at night when kids in bed, lock on the bedroom door. No issues arising from this.

The issue that we have always had in the relationship is that we only have sex when DP initiates it. If I initiate then I am invariably rejected, DP will also say things like ‘we’re not having sex tonight’ well in advance of us going to bed.

For context I do not have a particularly high sex drive, I’d be more than happy with twice a week or once if it’s a week when we aren’t seeing each other much.

But it’s very much that DP makes the decision. The only exception to this is if I spot a child free moment when we’re both available I could say something like ‘hey on Friday morning we’re both not working and no kids, do you fancy some alone time then go out for lunch’ or whatever. This I seem to be ‘allowed’ to initiate because I have asked in advance?

Anyway I had all this out with DP about a year ago as there were a few things that had upset me, given how little alone time we get I felt that he was prioritising other things rather than being intimate with me. For e.g. on rare child free nights getting pissed in front of the TV rather than taking the opportunity to go and have sex, leaping out of bed the next morning so there was no chance for us to have a bit of alone time.

I just didn’t feel he prioritised sex with me and still doesn’t. That’s not to say he doesn’t initiate - he does - but I never know when this will be so he can come over and stay for 5 days and we could have sex 3 times or none at all and it will all be down to what DP decides.

When I talked to him about this last summer he got upset and said I was accusing him of being controlling and that he ‘doesn’t know he is doing it’ I pointed out that he will literally flinch and move his face away if I try to kiss him beyond a peck on the lips.

I do recognise that people aren’t always in the mood, he also isn’t the healthiest and although there is no ED I think sex makes him tired (he’s not very fit due to a recent health problem) and just feels a bit too much like effort for him at times.

We went away for a rare child free weekends couple of weeks ago and basically didn’t have sex until the Sunday after I had a conversation about why we weren’t? I said I felt he was prioritising sleep and beer when we have so little alone time together. He said I was moody and that’s why he didn’t want to have sex with me.

Anyway (sorry this is long) in the last couple of months my ex has agree to have the kids one night a week so as of recently we have had one childfree night a week. Sometimes DP wants to have sex then and sometimes he doesn’t.

We were in the garden yesterday and he suddenly announced that we would no longer be having sex when my kids are in the house. I am of course happy to have a conversation about what’s made him feel uncomfortable etc. But that’s not what he initiated - just decreed that from now on sex is off the table basically 6 days out of 7.

I felt pretty rejected and upset because - although I am used to him rejecting me - I wasn’t prepared for it as we weren’t even talking about sex he just announced this out of the blue and I felt hurt and embarrassed.

We then had a long conversation about how I feel that I do not have any say in when we have sex (of course I can decline it, he is not remotely coercive I just need to make that clear). His response to this was:

He doesn’t know/believe he does this. I pointed out that I don’t bother trying to initiate any more so it would be hard for him to notice now - but gave the example of him announcing in the garden that we wouldn’t having sex most days any more as an example

If he does do this he isn’t aware that he is doing it, therefore this is just the way he is and I need to accept it because this is who he is and he can’t change

I have upset him because he believes I am accusing him of being controlling (i haven’t used that word) and his ex wife said he was controlling and that’s really unfair as it’s hit a really sensitive nerve as he was not controlling in the relationship at all.

He then basically intimated that I have to dump him if I am not happy as this is who he is and I must accept him as I am. He then said I’m not perfect and when my ex upsets me I sometimes ‘take it out’ on him. I acknowledged that at times when I’ve been upset about something else I’ve been upset with DP but also explained that I reflect, take accountability for my behaviour and always apologise.

Whereas DP’s take on this is that absolutely no reflection, apology or change is necessary with regards to his approach to sex I just need to accept him as he is or dump him.

Sorry this is so long, I absolutely appreciate that nobody is entitled to sex from somebody else, but does this really mean that they should never initiate it?

He clearly is very controlling. He doesn’t like this label because his ex used it and most importantly it is true. Sounds like he prioritises beer and that’s also a 🚩He is laying down the law and has openly said if you don’t like it you should leave. It sounds to me like he wants to break up with you but he wants you to do it for him. Don’t waste anymore of your time on him. Find someone who is going to give you the physical affection and attention that you want and deserve. You want a partner not a project.

DoesthislookgoodOnMe · 08/04/2026 13:40

He sounds controlling and abusive, you should turn him down and let him see how he feels. The way he’s scheduling sex and making announcements is strange and you haven’t been together long, I would not say your are in an establishment relationship due to the length of time. Yes sex does have ebbs and flows, sometimes we have an off week if one of us is tired or sick but it’s back to business as normal ( like you we don’t live together) but we make it known to each other that we are up for sex and take opportunities like staying in bed and having sex. It’s about connection isn’t it and his take it or leave it approach would turn me off.

Notmyreality · 08/04/2026 13:45

Silvers11 · 08/04/2026 12:12

I absolutely agree with this poster @manaliiiive Everything you have described screams ED issues which he is taking medical help for e.g viagra. He will be desperate for you not to find out because, to him, ED issues mean he isn't a real man and to admit that to you or any woman would probably destroy him mentally. He simply won't be able to tell you.

Without going into detail, I have had long experience of this with my husband. You have to decide whether all his good qualities outweigh this issue - or whether you need to finish the relationship. If it is ED it won't change and if you find out, the sex will probably stop altogether.

I stayed, because he is a very good man, I was older, already had 2 kids and my sex drive wasn't very high. You have to decide, for you, whether to stay or go. You are, at least, still getting some sex.

Agreed

Haffiana · 08/04/2026 13:49

Maia77 · 08/04/2026 12:56

Is he neurodivergent?

This.

I think it is most likely this, up to and including the facts that he cannot recognise or see anything wrong in his own behaviour, or that the effect on you is not something that he whatsoever takes into consideration.

gamerchick · 08/04/2026 13:50

How much does he drink?

I'd put money on this being erection issues and he needs a bit of help to get going.

But whatever the reason, it's making you unhappy and you're only a couple of years in. Is it worth it?

catipuss · 08/04/2026 13:51

Do you get to say no? What happens if he initiates and you say not in the mood?

gardenflowergirl · 08/04/2026 13:54

He's just not that into you. He's shown you who he is. Time to move on without him.

gamerchick · 08/04/2026 13:56

If he is taking Viagra he might be avoiding it as it can cause quite an intense headache. Even if it does work. It might not seem worth it to him.

toomuchgarliceek · 08/04/2026 14:04

I think it sounds like you are both bringing baggage and insecurities from your previous marriages/relationships here.

He has probably got some kind of ED or performance issues with his age and health, he has this thing about being perceived as controlling due to his previous relationship. From what you've written you also have insecurities from your previous relationship.

Since you are saying that outside of this sex issue (which doesn't sound insurmountable actually since you said he is an attentive lover when it does happen and not coercive if you say no etc) that the relationship is otherwise good, honestly I think all this talking about it will ruin it. I know insecurities are difficult I have them myself, but just try to let go of this resentment and frame it in your mind that he probably does have some ED, if you love him just let him initiate things. It might be that he has a lower drive than you and you need to decide then if it's worth leaving over.

Maia77 · 08/04/2026 14:08

Haffiana · 08/04/2026 13:49

This.

I think it is most likely this, up to and including the facts that he cannot recognise or see anything wrong in his own behaviour, or that the effect on you is not something that he whatsoever takes into consideration.

I agree. He might be on the spectrum, which could explain bluntness, directness and maybe lack of awareness of how his behaviour might affect OP.

GlovedhandsCecilia · 08/04/2026 14:12

It's worrying how many women here think a man saying no to sex is controlling. You should never have sex you don't want to have. Even if it is a partner who wants it.

There are some actual sex offenders on this site. Sexual predators.

GlovedhandsCecilia · 08/04/2026 14:15

moderate · 08/04/2026 10:31

I also think you've missed the point (though I have no opinion on whether this is a regular occurrence).

If their sex drives were simply mismatched, sometimes he would be in the mood when she initiates. But this never happens.

No if you are only in the mood 5% of you waking day, then that's 95% of the time OP could ask and it's a no. The overwhelming majority of the time, he isnt into it. That's about how much a lot of people (including men) want sex.

He doesnt have to appease the OP and have sex if he doesnt want it. Even though he is male.

Cantbloodyrememberthenameonthread · 08/04/2026 14:20

You’re not compatible. This issue will grow and grow then time will have passed so you’ll feel it’s a waste to end it.

Aluna · 08/04/2026 14:24

GlovedhandsCecilia · 08/04/2026 14:12

It's worrying how many women here think a man saying no to sex is controlling. You should never have sex you don't want to have. Even if it is a partner who wants it.

There are some actual sex offenders on this site. Sexual predators.

What’s interesting is that of course men may claim the same thing - that a woman saying no is controlling and intentional. Women might feel exasperated at the self-centredness of that approach and the lack of understanding of and respect for the person who doesn’t want it.

This is all of course because feelings are involved and placing parameters around sex may feel like rejection.

MrsCompayson · 08/04/2026 14:26

GlovedhandsCecilia · 08/04/2026 14:12

It's worrying how many women here think a man saying no to sex is controlling. You should never have sex you don't want to have. Even if it is a partner who wants it.

There are some actual sex offenders on this site. Sexual predators.

No, that is disingenuous. It's the lack of communication and I think withholding that is hard for the op to deal with. When I say withholding I don't mean the sex, it's more what the partner doesn't stay that is controlling.

He announces, he tells, he doesn't invite conversation he shuts it down.

Yes, you should never have sex if you don't want to but that is not what is happening here, she is not trying to force anything only clarify why he is announcing out of the blue that they will not be having sex until he says its ok. Yes, teens in the house, but open communication about it don't tell her what is and is not allowed.

LouiseMadetheBestBroccoliPasta · 08/04/2026 14:33

MrsCompayson · 08/04/2026 14:26

No, that is disingenuous. It's the lack of communication and I think withholding that is hard for the op to deal with. When I say withholding I don't mean the sex, it's more what the partner doesn't stay that is controlling.

He announces, he tells, he doesn't invite conversation he shuts it down.

Yes, you should never have sex if you don't want to but that is not what is happening here, she is not trying to force anything only clarify why he is announcing out of the blue that they will not be having sex until he says its ok. Yes, teens in the house, but open communication about it don't tell her what is and is not allowed.

Agree. The real problem is how he is managing the sexual mismatch. He's controlling the discourse with lordly commanding pronouncements rather than discussing the problem with OP in a mature and respectful manner.

Mangelwurzelfortea · 08/04/2026 14:34

Fuck this guy, OP. Or rather, don't. You're wasting your time with a wrong 'un - throw this one back.

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