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DP and when we have sex, would really appreciate some outside perspectives please

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manaliiiive · 08/04/2026 08:26

So DP and I have been together around 2 years. Both divorced, he has his kids 50 percent of the time - I visit occasionally when he has his DC but never stay over (neither of us want this to change).

Up until recently I had my DC (teens) 100 per cent of the time. This obviously made sex difficult and we used to go to DH’s when he had no kids and make time for it there.

DH’s home circumstances changed meaning it was much harder for us to have sex there although not impossible.

So we were left with the occasional very rare weekend night where we could sleep together overnight.

After about a year after consulting with my teens DP started staying at my house. All fine and we would have (very quiet, discreet) sex late at night when kids in bed, lock on the bedroom door. No issues arising from this.

The issue that we have always had in the relationship is that we only have sex when DP initiates it. If I initiate then I am invariably rejected, DP will also say things like ‘we’re not having sex tonight’ well in advance of us going to bed.

For context I do not have a particularly high sex drive, I’d be more than happy with twice a week or once if it’s a week when we aren’t seeing each other much.

But it’s very much that DP makes the decision. The only exception to this is if I spot a child free moment when we’re both available I could say something like ‘hey on Friday morning we’re both not working and no kids, do you fancy some alone time then go out for lunch’ or whatever. This I seem to be ‘allowed’ to initiate because I have asked in advance?

Anyway I had all this out with DP about a year ago as there were a few things that had upset me, given how little alone time we get I felt that he was prioritising other things rather than being intimate with me. For e.g. on rare child free nights getting pissed in front of the TV rather than taking the opportunity to go and have sex, leaping out of bed the next morning so there was no chance for us to have a bit of alone time.

I just didn’t feel he prioritised sex with me and still doesn’t. That’s not to say he doesn’t initiate - he does - but I never know when this will be so he can come over and stay for 5 days and we could have sex 3 times or none at all and it will all be down to what DP decides.

When I talked to him about this last summer he got upset and said I was accusing him of being controlling and that he ‘doesn’t know he is doing it’ I pointed out that he will literally flinch and move his face away if I try to kiss him beyond a peck on the lips.

I do recognise that people aren’t always in the mood, he also isn’t the healthiest and although there is no ED I think sex makes him tired (he’s not very fit due to a recent health problem) and just feels a bit too much like effort for him at times.

We went away for a rare child free weekends couple of weeks ago and basically didn’t have sex until the Sunday after I had a conversation about why we weren’t? I said I felt he was prioritising sleep and beer when we have so little alone time together. He said I was moody and that’s why he didn’t want to have sex with me.

Anyway (sorry this is long) in the last couple of months my ex has agree to have the kids one night a week so as of recently we have had one childfree night a week. Sometimes DP wants to have sex then and sometimes he doesn’t.

We were in the garden yesterday and he suddenly announced that we would no longer be having sex when my kids are in the house. I am of course happy to have a conversation about what’s made him feel uncomfortable etc. But that’s not what he initiated - just decreed that from now on sex is off the table basically 6 days out of 7.

I felt pretty rejected and upset because - although I am used to him rejecting me - I wasn’t prepared for it as we weren’t even talking about sex he just announced this out of the blue and I felt hurt and embarrassed.

We then had a long conversation about how I feel that I do not have any say in when we have sex (of course I can decline it, he is not remotely coercive I just need to make that clear). His response to this was:

He doesn’t know/believe he does this. I pointed out that I don’t bother trying to initiate any more so it would be hard for him to notice now - but gave the example of him announcing in the garden that we wouldn’t having sex most days any more as an example

If he does do this he isn’t aware that he is doing it, therefore this is just the way he is and I need to accept it because this is who he is and he can’t change

I have upset him because he believes I am accusing him of being controlling (i haven’t used that word) and his ex wife said he was controlling and that’s really unfair as it’s hit a really sensitive nerve as he was not controlling in the relationship at all.

He then basically intimated that I have to dump him if I am not happy as this is who he is and I must accept him as I am. He then said I’m not perfect and when my ex upsets me I sometimes ‘take it out’ on him. I acknowledged that at times when I’ve been upset about something else I’ve been upset with DP but also explained that I reflect, take accountability for my behaviour and always apologise.

Whereas DP’s take on this is that absolutely no reflection, apology or change is necessary with regards to his approach to sex I just need to accept him as he is or dump him.

Sorry this is so long, I absolutely appreciate that nobody is entitled to sex from somebody else, but does this really mean that they should never initiate it?

OP posts:
CelticSilver · 09/04/2026 14:09

He's enjoying calling the shots. Creepy behaviour there, OP.

itsonlyafuckingbiscuit · 09/04/2026 14:31

PrincessFairyWren · 09/04/2026 13:55

Plenty of men have ED but still manage to not act like arseholes. There is more to this than ED.

As for the posters suggesting communicating to their partners about patterns of rejection and initiation that they have recognized and their general
satisfaction (or lack of) in their sex lives are bonkers. No one is suggesting that the OP
is coercing her partner. She just wants to know what is going on. She is actually listening to his responses and reflecting on what he has said.

Some idiots are suggesting exactly that, but every thread seems to have these kind of fuckwits at the moment.

GlovedhandsCecilia · 09/04/2026 16:11

CelticSilver · 09/04/2026 14:09

He's enjoying calling the shots. Creepy behaviour there, OP.

Youre allowed to call the shots when it comes to people having sex with you. The law makes sure of that.

GlovedhandsCecilia · 09/04/2026 16:12

itsonlyafuckingbiscuit · 09/04/2026 14:31

Some idiots are suggesting exactly that, but every thread seems to have these kind of fuckwits at the moment.

I think some people just understand that people have different sex drives and men are allowed to say no. I know that really makes some people very angry, but they are.

SemiRetiredLoveGoddeess · 09/04/2026 18:32

He sounds as though he may have a lot of control, intimacy and possibly guilt issues. He is not for you. Show him the door and say Goodbye.

Find someone who will really make you happy.

LouiseMadetheBestBroccoliPasta · 09/04/2026 18:32

GlovedhandsCecilia · 09/04/2026 16:12

I think some people just understand that people have different sex drives and men are allowed to say no. I know that really makes some people very angry, but they are.

I'm the first to say that NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO SEX. No matter whether you're married or fucked thousands of times. Whether you're male or female. No matter how desperately you want or need it.

NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO SEX. If you're the higher libido partner and you're not happy with the amount of sex you're having, and you've respectfully discussed this with your partner and nothing changes, you have two choices: accept the pace set by the lower libido partner, or leave. Further discussions are coercive, as is punishing your partner with moodiness, withdrawal of non-sexual affection, refusal to do household tasks, unpleasant behaviour to children or extended family members.

I think a lot of people are having a lot of sex that they don't want. Especially women. I find it really grim and stand with you on your insistence that sex is not a right.

But this thread is not about OP wanting to coerce sex from her partner. It's about the odd way he has handled the communication around it. It's neither respectful nor kind. Most importantly, OP feels that it might be underpinned by a misogynistic attitude towards women who like sex. She's come here for our take on what she's noted, and has received a lot of interesting interpretations that she seems to appreciate.

You coming here and carpet bombing the thread with posts about sex not being a right is stifling the thread. I'd like to see other insights from PPs, not your myopic banging on and on.

UpDownAllAround1 · 09/04/2026 18:42

Yep, def viagra user and doubling down

Laurmolonlabe · 09/04/2026 18:48

I don't see why he would only accept him initiating sex unless he is very controlling or a bit weird- needs thrashing out I think.

CeffylCoch · 09/04/2026 19:14

Say no every time he wants sex until he is ready to talk about it

manaliiiive · 09/04/2026 19:59

LouiseMadetheBestBroccoliPasta · 09/04/2026 18:32

I'm the first to say that NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO SEX. No matter whether you're married or fucked thousands of times. Whether you're male or female. No matter how desperately you want or need it.

NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO SEX. If you're the higher libido partner and you're not happy with the amount of sex you're having, and you've respectfully discussed this with your partner and nothing changes, you have two choices: accept the pace set by the lower libido partner, or leave. Further discussions are coercive, as is punishing your partner with moodiness, withdrawal of non-sexual affection, refusal to do household tasks, unpleasant behaviour to children or extended family members.

I think a lot of people are having a lot of sex that they don't want. Especially women. I find it really grim and stand with you on your insistence that sex is not a right.

But this thread is not about OP wanting to coerce sex from her partner. It's about the odd way he has handled the communication around it. It's neither respectful nor kind. Most importantly, OP feels that it might be underpinned by a misogynistic attitude towards women who like sex. She's come here for our take on what she's noted, and has received a lot of interesting interpretations that she seems to appreciate.

You coming here and carpet bombing the thread with posts about sex not being a right is stifling the thread. I'd like to see other insights from PPs, not your myopic banging on and on.

Thank you 🙏 exactly this

OP posts:
Squirrelchops1 · 09/04/2026 20:07

Oh gosh. What a manipulative twat. Honestly it sounds far too exhausting.

MustWeDoThis · 09/04/2026 20:19

manaliiiive · 08/04/2026 08:26

So DP and I have been together around 2 years. Both divorced, he has his kids 50 percent of the time - I visit occasionally when he has his DC but never stay over (neither of us want this to change).

Up until recently I had my DC (teens) 100 per cent of the time. This obviously made sex difficult and we used to go to DH’s when he had no kids and make time for it there.

DH’s home circumstances changed meaning it was much harder for us to have sex there although not impossible.

So we were left with the occasional very rare weekend night where we could sleep together overnight.

After about a year after consulting with my teens DP started staying at my house. All fine and we would have (very quiet, discreet) sex late at night when kids in bed, lock on the bedroom door. No issues arising from this.

The issue that we have always had in the relationship is that we only have sex when DP initiates it. If I initiate then I am invariably rejected, DP will also say things like ‘we’re not having sex tonight’ well in advance of us going to bed.

For context I do not have a particularly high sex drive, I’d be more than happy with twice a week or once if it’s a week when we aren’t seeing each other much.

But it’s very much that DP makes the decision. The only exception to this is if I spot a child free moment when we’re both available I could say something like ‘hey on Friday morning we’re both not working and no kids, do you fancy some alone time then go out for lunch’ or whatever. This I seem to be ‘allowed’ to initiate because I have asked in advance?

Anyway I had all this out with DP about a year ago as there were a few things that had upset me, given how little alone time we get I felt that he was prioritising other things rather than being intimate with me. For e.g. on rare child free nights getting pissed in front of the TV rather than taking the opportunity to go and have sex, leaping out of bed the next morning so there was no chance for us to have a bit of alone time.

I just didn’t feel he prioritised sex with me and still doesn’t. That’s not to say he doesn’t initiate - he does - but I never know when this will be so he can come over and stay for 5 days and we could have sex 3 times or none at all and it will all be down to what DP decides.

When I talked to him about this last summer he got upset and said I was accusing him of being controlling and that he ‘doesn’t know he is doing it’ I pointed out that he will literally flinch and move his face away if I try to kiss him beyond a peck on the lips.

I do recognise that people aren’t always in the mood, he also isn’t the healthiest and although there is no ED I think sex makes him tired (he’s not very fit due to a recent health problem) and just feels a bit too much like effort for him at times.

We went away for a rare child free weekends couple of weeks ago and basically didn’t have sex until the Sunday after I had a conversation about why we weren’t? I said I felt he was prioritising sleep and beer when we have so little alone time together. He said I was moody and that’s why he didn’t want to have sex with me.

Anyway (sorry this is long) in the last couple of months my ex has agree to have the kids one night a week so as of recently we have had one childfree night a week. Sometimes DP wants to have sex then and sometimes he doesn’t.

We were in the garden yesterday and he suddenly announced that we would no longer be having sex when my kids are in the house. I am of course happy to have a conversation about what’s made him feel uncomfortable etc. But that’s not what he initiated - just decreed that from now on sex is off the table basically 6 days out of 7.

I felt pretty rejected and upset because - although I am used to him rejecting me - I wasn’t prepared for it as we weren’t even talking about sex he just announced this out of the blue and I felt hurt and embarrassed.

We then had a long conversation about how I feel that I do not have any say in when we have sex (of course I can decline it, he is not remotely coercive I just need to make that clear). His response to this was:

He doesn’t know/believe he does this. I pointed out that I don’t bother trying to initiate any more so it would be hard for him to notice now - but gave the example of him announcing in the garden that we wouldn’t having sex most days any more as an example

If he does do this he isn’t aware that he is doing it, therefore this is just the way he is and I need to accept it because this is who he is and he can’t change

I have upset him because he believes I am accusing him of being controlling (i haven’t used that word) and his ex wife said he was controlling and that’s really unfair as it’s hit a really sensitive nerve as he was not controlling in the relationship at all.

He then basically intimated that I have to dump him if I am not happy as this is who he is and I must accept him as I am. He then said I’m not perfect and when my ex upsets me I sometimes ‘take it out’ on him. I acknowledged that at times when I’ve been upset about something else I’ve been upset with DP but also explained that I reflect, take accountability for my behaviour and always apologise.

Whereas DP’s take on this is that absolutely no reflection, apology or change is necessary with regards to his approach to sex I just need to accept him as he is or dump him.

Sorry this is so long, I absolutely appreciate that nobody is entitled to sex from somebody else, but does this really mean that they should never initiate it?

He's a gaslighting cocklodger. You are literally a place to sleep, drink, play games, watch TV, and stick his dick when he's horny. He's done the marital years and now he just wants a friend with benefits.

Why beg this b*stard for sex? Raise your standards, lower your tolerance, and leave.

ThatLemonBee · 09/04/2026 20:28

Having sex once or twice a week is ok , it’s the him not liking you initiating it that’s odd to me . Most men like this . So it’s a bit of a red flag and I’m sure it leaves you feeling awful 😞

Nosdacariad · 09/04/2026 21:09

My ex behaved almost exactly like this. He was on the daily version of the ED drug so it was not the viagra time-delay thing.

Right down to the sexual fondling followed by abrupt backing off, and DARVO ing me when I raised it.

I'm not sure it gets better and it made me feel dreadful.

Scotland3232 · 09/04/2026 22:26

Life is too short for this kind of game playing. What, if anything, does he bring to the table that’s positive??

Besidemyselfwithworry · 09/04/2026 22:26

Daisydoesnt · 08/04/2026 08:33

He sounds incredibly controlling and frankly pretty unpleasant and I think you know that. His claim that he “doesn’t know that he is doing it” is total BS if you have pointed it out to him multiple times. He’s just using it as an excuse for his awful behaviour.

Edited

To be honest the priority here has to be your kids and his kids, not how often you can have sex
its clearly not working and his attitude is awful - I’d do yourself a favour a get rid!

Owl55 · 09/04/2026 23:09

Does he use viagra and need to be prepared?

stapletonsguitar · 10/04/2026 06:39

Is he using viagra? If he is, then spontaneous sex is off the table so can only happen when he’s planned in advance. He may be ashamed of that so doesn’t want to tell you.

GlovedhandsCecilia · 10/04/2026 07:46

LouiseMadetheBestBroccoliPasta · 09/04/2026 18:32

I'm the first to say that NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO SEX. No matter whether you're married or fucked thousands of times. Whether you're male or female. No matter how desperately you want or need it.

NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO SEX. If you're the higher libido partner and you're not happy with the amount of sex you're having, and you've respectfully discussed this with your partner and nothing changes, you have two choices: accept the pace set by the lower libido partner, or leave. Further discussions are coercive, as is punishing your partner with moodiness, withdrawal of non-sexual affection, refusal to do household tasks, unpleasant behaviour to children or extended family members.

I think a lot of people are having a lot of sex that they don't want. Especially women. I find it really grim and stand with you on your insistence that sex is not a right.

But this thread is not about OP wanting to coerce sex from her partner. It's about the odd way he has handled the communication around it. It's neither respectful nor kind. Most importantly, OP feels that it might be underpinned by a misogynistic attitude towards women who like sex. She's come here for our take on what she's noted, and has received a lot of interesting interpretations that she seems to appreciate.

You coming here and carpet bombing the thread with posts about sex not being a right is stifling the thread. I'd like to see other insights from PPs, not your myopic banging on and on.

If he doesnt want sex the majority of the time then the t8kes the OP asks are likely to get a no, because he rarely wants it. She needs to find a more compatible partner..not badger someone who doesnt want sex for sex.

GlovedhandsCecilia · 10/04/2026 07:47

MustWeDoThis · 09/04/2026 20:19

He's a gaslighting cocklodger. You are literally a place to sleep, drink, play games, watch TV, and stick his dick when he's horny. He's done the marital years and now he just wants a friend with benefits.

Why beg this b*stard for sex? Raise your standards, lower your tolerance, and leave.

How is he a Cocklodger

Inmyuggs · 10/04/2026 07:55

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Nosdacariad · 10/04/2026 08:48

stapletonsguitar · 10/04/2026 06:39

Is he using viagra? If he is, then spontaneous sex is off the table so can only happen when he’s planned in advance. He may be ashamed of that so doesn’t want to tell you.

The OP stated she has found the daily version so timing should not be an issue.

dh280125 · 10/04/2026 10:48

You know what is great when you can't align on issues like this? Couples therapy. Would he be up for that?

nopiesleftinthisvehicle · 10/04/2026 11:40

GlovedhandsCecilia · 08/04/2026 10:15

Sex is something you want when you want and don't want when you don't want. You are sexually incompatible because you want sex more frequently.

Have you read all of the OP'S updates? This is clearly not what OP is describing.

GlovedhandsCecilia · 10/04/2026 11:45

nopiesleftinthisvehicle · 10/04/2026 11:40

Have you read all of the OP'S updates? This is clearly not what OP is describing.

Yes she is. She wants sex and asks for it and he says no because most of the time, he does not. If this doesnt work for OP, she should leave.