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DP and when we have sex, would really appreciate some outside perspectives please

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manaliiiive · 08/04/2026 08:26

So DP and I have been together around 2 years. Both divorced, he has his kids 50 percent of the time - I visit occasionally when he has his DC but never stay over (neither of us want this to change).

Up until recently I had my DC (teens) 100 per cent of the time. This obviously made sex difficult and we used to go to DH’s when he had no kids and make time for it there.

DH’s home circumstances changed meaning it was much harder for us to have sex there although not impossible.

So we were left with the occasional very rare weekend night where we could sleep together overnight.

After about a year after consulting with my teens DP started staying at my house. All fine and we would have (very quiet, discreet) sex late at night when kids in bed, lock on the bedroom door. No issues arising from this.

The issue that we have always had in the relationship is that we only have sex when DP initiates it. If I initiate then I am invariably rejected, DP will also say things like ‘we’re not having sex tonight’ well in advance of us going to bed.

For context I do not have a particularly high sex drive, I’d be more than happy with twice a week or once if it’s a week when we aren’t seeing each other much.

But it’s very much that DP makes the decision. The only exception to this is if I spot a child free moment when we’re both available I could say something like ‘hey on Friday morning we’re both not working and no kids, do you fancy some alone time then go out for lunch’ or whatever. This I seem to be ‘allowed’ to initiate because I have asked in advance?

Anyway I had all this out with DP about a year ago as there were a few things that had upset me, given how little alone time we get I felt that he was prioritising other things rather than being intimate with me. For e.g. on rare child free nights getting pissed in front of the TV rather than taking the opportunity to go and have sex, leaping out of bed the next morning so there was no chance for us to have a bit of alone time.

I just didn’t feel he prioritised sex with me and still doesn’t. That’s not to say he doesn’t initiate - he does - but I never know when this will be so he can come over and stay for 5 days and we could have sex 3 times or none at all and it will all be down to what DP decides.

When I talked to him about this last summer he got upset and said I was accusing him of being controlling and that he ‘doesn’t know he is doing it’ I pointed out that he will literally flinch and move his face away if I try to kiss him beyond a peck on the lips.

I do recognise that people aren’t always in the mood, he also isn’t the healthiest and although there is no ED I think sex makes him tired (he’s not very fit due to a recent health problem) and just feels a bit too much like effort for him at times.

We went away for a rare child free weekends couple of weeks ago and basically didn’t have sex until the Sunday after I had a conversation about why we weren’t? I said I felt he was prioritising sleep and beer when we have so little alone time together. He said I was moody and that’s why he didn’t want to have sex with me.

Anyway (sorry this is long) in the last couple of months my ex has agree to have the kids one night a week so as of recently we have had one childfree night a week. Sometimes DP wants to have sex then and sometimes he doesn’t.

We were in the garden yesterday and he suddenly announced that we would no longer be having sex when my kids are in the house. I am of course happy to have a conversation about what’s made him feel uncomfortable etc. But that’s not what he initiated - just decreed that from now on sex is off the table basically 6 days out of 7.

I felt pretty rejected and upset because - although I am used to him rejecting me - I wasn’t prepared for it as we weren’t even talking about sex he just announced this out of the blue and I felt hurt and embarrassed.

We then had a long conversation about how I feel that I do not have any say in when we have sex (of course I can decline it, he is not remotely coercive I just need to make that clear). His response to this was:

He doesn’t know/believe he does this. I pointed out that I don’t bother trying to initiate any more so it would be hard for him to notice now - but gave the example of him announcing in the garden that we wouldn’t having sex most days any more as an example

If he does do this he isn’t aware that he is doing it, therefore this is just the way he is and I need to accept it because this is who he is and he can’t change

I have upset him because he believes I am accusing him of being controlling (i haven’t used that word) and his ex wife said he was controlling and that’s really unfair as it’s hit a really sensitive nerve as he was not controlling in the relationship at all.

He then basically intimated that I have to dump him if I am not happy as this is who he is and I must accept him as I am. He then said I’m not perfect and when my ex upsets me I sometimes ‘take it out’ on him. I acknowledged that at times when I’ve been upset about something else I’ve been upset with DP but also explained that I reflect, take accountability for my behaviour and always apologise.

Whereas DP’s take on this is that absolutely no reflection, apology or change is necessary with regards to his approach to sex I just need to accept him as he is or dump him.

Sorry this is so long, I absolutely appreciate that nobody is entitled to sex from somebody else, but does this really mean that they should never initiate it?

OP posts:
Ohcrap082024 · 08/04/2026 10:16

Two things jump out to me. He’s taking Viagra or similar. He finds a woman initiating a turn off. Some men do for all sorts of reasons including deep seated issues around women and their sexuality. The Viagra I could live with. The other stuff would be a no from me.

He needs to be honest about both so that you can decide what to do moving forward.

manaliiiive · 08/04/2026 10:17

I’m going to regret saying this, I know, he’s weirdly competitive about sex. He wants me to have more orgasms than him (which I do, it is not remotely hard for me with PIV and only take a few minutes) and it’s like he’s ‘won’ if the score is 3-1 (he’s literally said this before).

So it’s almost like sex as a competition he has to win so maybe he has to be in a competitive mindset to want it?? Honestly I know that looks ridiculous written down.

OP posts:
getsomehelp · 08/04/2026 10:17

My impression is that he must take Viagara & when he doesn't he knows he will have erectile misfunsction & is ashamed/embarrassed of it

GlovedhandsCecilia · 08/04/2026 10:17

itsonlyafuckingbiscuit · 08/04/2026 10:16

As is so often the case, you've completely missed the point.

No i really haven't. I dont even know who you are yet you seem to be following ne around. Strange that.

manaliiiive · 08/04/2026 10:18

Ohcrap082024 · 08/04/2026 10:16

Two things jump out to me. He’s taking Viagra or similar. He finds a woman initiating a turn off. Some men do for all sorts of reasons including deep seated issues around women and their sexuality. The Viagra I could live with. The other stuff would be a no from me.

He needs to be honest about both so that you can decide what to do moving forward.

This is my biggest worry - that he sees a woman initiating as a turnoff because men are ‘in charge’ he is not like this in other ways but this is the fear for me

OP posts:
GlovedhandsCecilia · 08/04/2026 10:19

manaliiiive · 08/04/2026 10:18

This is my biggest worry - that he sees a woman initiating as a turnoff because men are ‘in charge’ he is not like this in other ways but this is the fear for me

Does he expect you to be sexually passive or even submissive during the deed?

SnowFrogJelly · 08/04/2026 10:21

Very controlling behaviour and then saying he doesn’t know he’s doing it’ is a huge red flag

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 08/04/2026 10:21

It sounds to me that you just have very different sex drives. It sounds quite similar to me and DP, except that the sexes are the other way round. I'm male and have a higher drive than DP, so sex is generally very much on her terms. Because I'm usually up for it so the question is whether she is. I'm fine with that, because I don't want to have sex with her if she's not in the mood.

In our case though, I'm generally the one who initiates, and if I get shot down then that's just how it is. It's quite funny on the rare occasion DP initiates and I'm not in the mood, because she gets the hump a bit, and I'm like "Well this is how I feel a couple of times a week!"

GlovedhandsCecilia · 08/04/2026 10:22

Look, lots of people have really sexist ideas around sex that men should always be up for it and want it whenever you do. They assume a man who doesnt must be faulty in some way. It could just be that he has to be in the mood and he actually isn't in the mood all that often. So if you throw a dart (initiate sex), it's on the "no" far more often than it is on the "yes".

Sex drive is something you have to match. Someone who doesn't want as much sex as you isnt selfish or controlling. That sounds predatory. Please don't absorb these toxic ideas, OP.

Aluna · 08/04/2026 10:25

He clearly wants sex less than you and it sounds like he’s trying to control not having to have sex which is actually fair enough.

It’s ok to have a low sex drive and want sex less. If he flinches when you go to kiss him - does he actually fancy you? Or does he feel if he reciprocates he will be pressured into more that he doesn’t want.?

I guess I would want to know from him if this is low sex drive or not fancying you, and whether he feels pressured over sex.

ThatBlackCat · 08/04/2026 10:26

He is incredibly manipulative and controlling. He knows damn well he is doing it. He knows. He's been told by you often enough. Unless he has Alzheimers he doesn't forget what you've talked about. He admitted his ex said his was controlling. That there is a red flag. I don't know. Vibrators can give you multi-orgasms without the gaslighting and manipulation and control. I just don't think he would be worth it to me. A few nice things around the house, holding hand and 3 orgasms wouldn't even out the ledger for me I'm afraid. I don't expect perfect, but I wouldn't accept having what I will do in my own home dictated to and I wouldn't accept being manipulated and controlled like that.

I'd suggest to him taking a break and that he should get therapy for why he finds the need to micromanage your relationship and control and manipulate you. One of my favourite sayings, but aint nobody got time for the type of mind fuck games he is playing with you.

manaliiiive · 08/04/2026 10:28

He definitely fancies me, we’ve talked about this a just this week he said ‘I cant believe you even questioned if I fancy you’ (over the weekend thing) he frequently touched my bum and my boobs (in a consensual way) in daily life.

He’s a very confusing man, in hindsight, because he makes clear he fancies me and touches me a lot but he’s also the boss of whether that turns into sex.

OP posts:
itsonlyafuckingbiscuit · 08/04/2026 10:28

Aluna · 08/04/2026 10:25

He clearly wants sex less than you and it sounds like he’s trying to control not having to have sex which is actually fair enough.

It’s ok to have a low sex drive and want sex less. If he flinches when you go to kiss him - does he actually fancy you? Or does he feel if he reciprocates he will be pressured into more that he doesn’t want.?

I guess I would want to know from him if this is low sex drive or not fancying you, and whether he feels pressured over sex.

It's really not about 'he wants less sex'. It's about him wanting to have complete control over when they have sex and wanting the OP to have zero input into that. That's something different to 'mismatched sex drives'.

Bloozie · 08/04/2026 10:28

Mismatched sex drives are a killer if you can't talk about it, and you guys clearly can't. I'd move on.

Aluna · 08/04/2026 10:29

manaliiiive · 08/04/2026 10:18

This is my biggest worry - that he sees a woman initiating as a turnoff because men are ‘in charge’ he is not like this in other ways but this is the fear for me

In the circs I think it’s more likely that when he’s in the mood for sex he initiates it. So that if he doesn’t initiate it he doesn’t want it. It’s not you initiating it that’s putting him off.

TheSnappyHelper · 08/04/2026 10:29

You need to sit down and talk to him, and you need to tell him everything you've told us. Not when you're feeling rejected and not after he's made some annoying big declaration (which to me sounds like he's been thinking it over in his head and feeling frustrated and is trying to draw a boundary for himself).

You need to openly tell him how much of a problem it is for you and how it makes you feel, and then let him respond. If he refuses to even hear your concerns then you have a bigger issue. If he listens, but disagrees, that's different.

DoloresDelEriba · 08/04/2026 10:29

curlyfriess · 08/04/2026 09:19

Are you sure he's not using viagra and so needs to plan in advance a bit? You say it's ok if you give him advance warning so was wondering if that could be it.

Otherwise it doesn't really sound like this relationship is working for you. It doesn't really matter who is right or wrong - sexually this doesn't work for you.

this was my thought too...

Legolaslady · 08/04/2026 10:30

No.
This isn't a normal healthy relationship.
He's only interested in sex when he wants it and treats it like some kind of proof that he's good at it.
He sounds really unpleasant

Aluna · 08/04/2026 10:30

GlovedhandsCecilia · 08/04/2026 10:22

Look, lots of people have really sexist ideas around sex that men should always be up for it and want it whenever you do. They assume a man who doesnt must be faulty in some way. It could just be that he has to be in the mood and he actually isn't in the mood all that often. So if you throw a dart (initiate sex), it's on the "no" far more often than it is on the "yes".

Sex drive is something you have to match. Someone who doesn't want as much sex as you isnt selfish or controlling. That sounds predatory. Please don't absorb these toxic ideas, OP.

I agree.

moderate · 08/04/2026 10:31

GlovedhandsCecilia · 08/04/2026 10:17

No i really haven't. I dont even know who you are yet you seem to be following ne around. Strange that.

I also think you've missed the point (though I have no opinion on whether this is a regular occurrence).

If their sex drives were simply mismatched, sometimes he would be in the mood when she initiates. But this never happens.

manaliiiive · 08/04/2026 10:33

Other thing is he’ll lie in bed at night and play with my nipples (massive turn on for me which he knows) then push me off if i try to take that further.

So it’s a constant push pull of him touching me sexually then not following through - but sometimes does follow through.

The more I think about it the more i think ED ans viagra!

OP posts:
Bloozie · 08/04/2026 10:33

itsonlyafuckingbiscuit · 08/04/2026 10:28

It's really not about 'he wants less sex'. It's about him wanting to have complete control over when they have sex and wanting the OP to have zero input into that. That's something different to 'mismatched sex drives'.

It's not. The control he is trying to exert is because of their mismatched drives. My husband's sex drive is lower than mine and I am not 'allowed' to initiate sex. He isn't as direct as the OP's husband, he isn't as openly controlling, but it's control all the same - my advances are rejected, he has told me that things like booking a night away, lighting candles and wearing sexy underwear make him feel pressured into having sex, and he won't indulge in intimacy for intimacy's sake in case 'I get my hopes up'. It is impossible for me to turn my husband on, and that makes me sad if I'm honest.

The OP's post really hit a nerve with me. Some men just refuse, or are unable, to tap into their responsive sex drive. When they were teenagers and young men, they felt horny so they fucked. They get older and they don't feel horny as much, so they don't fuck as much. It doesn't enter their heads to try and get horny. The OP's partner is trying to shut down the possibility of trying to get horny, because he only wants sex when the urge is within.

Aluna · 08/04/2026 10:34

itsonlyafuckingbiscuit · 08/04/2026 10:28

It's really not about 'he wants less sex'. It's about him wanting to have complete control over when they have sex and wanting the OP to have zero input into that. That's something different to 'mismatched sex drives'.

It is about the fact he wants less sex and not at the times op wants it and that’s ok.

I’ve heard many men complain that women “control” when sex happens. What they really mean is that they want it all the time but sex only happens when the woman wants it, which is as it should be.

moderate · 08/04/2026 10:35

manaliiiive · 08/04/2026 10:33

Other thing is he’ll lie in bed at night and play with my nipples (massive turn on for me which he knows) then push me off if i try to take that further.

So it’s a constant push pull of him touching me sexually then not following through - but sometimes does follow through.

The more I think about it the more i think ED ans viagra!

No, that goes way beyond trying to time things with viagra. That's some manosphere red pill shit right there. LTB.

waterrat · 08/04/2026 10:36

loyal and communicating well are not in and of themselves important traits.

They are only useful traits if you love someone and they make you feel good.

Someone could be a psycopath or abuser and be loyal and communicate well

or boring and you don't love them but they are loyal and communicate well.

he makes you feel like crap - get rid.

It's interesting your language - you say 'he has made me responsible for ending it'

yes, you are responsible ! It's your life.