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DP and when we have sex, would really appreciate some outside perspectives please

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manaliiiive · 08/04/2026 08:26

So DP and I have been together around 2 years. Both divorced, he has his kids 50 percent of the time - I visit occasionally when he has his DC but never stay over (neither of us want this to change).

Up until recently I had my DC (teens) 100 per cent of the time. This obviously made sex difficult and we used to go to DH’s when he had no kids and make time for it there.

DH’s home circumstances changed meaning it was much harder for us to have sex there although not impossible.

So we were left with the occasional very rare weekend night where we could sleep together overnight.

After about a year after consulting with my teens DP started staying at my house. All fine and we would have (very quiet, discreet) sex late at night when kids in bed, lock on the bedroom door. No issues arising from this.

The issue that we have always had in the relationship is that we only have sex when DP initiates it. If I initiate then I am invariably rejected, DP will also say things like ‘we’re not having sex tonight’ well in advance of us going to bed.

For context I do not have a particularly high sex drive, I’d be more than happy with twice a week or once if it’s a week when we aren’t seeing each other much.

But it’s very much that DP makes the decision. The only exception to this is if I spot a child free moment when we’re both available I could say something like ‘hey on Friday morning we’re both not working and no kids, do you fancy some alone time then go out for lunch’ or whatever. This I seem to be ‘allowed’ to initiate because I have asked in advance?

Anyway I had all this out with DP about a year ago as there were a few things that had upset me, given how little alone time we get I felt that he was prioritising other things rather than being intimate with me. For e.g. on rare child free nights getting pissed in front of the TV rather than taking the opportunity to go and have sex, leaping out of bed the next morning so there was no chance for us to have a bit of alone time.

I just didn’t feel he prioritised sex with me and still doesn’t. That’s not to say he doesn’t initiate - he does - but I never know when this will be so he can come over and stay for 5 days and we could have sex 3 times or none at all and it will all be down to what DP decides.

When I talked to him about this last summer he got upset and said I was accusing him of being controlling and that he ‘doesn’t know he is doing it’ I pointed out that he will literally flinch and move his face away if I try to kiss him beyond a peck on the lips.

I do recognise that people aren’t always in the mood, he also isn’t the healthiest and although there is no ED I think sex makes him tired (he’s not very fit due to a recent health problem) and just feels a bit too much like effort for him at times.

We went away for a rare child free weekends couple of weeks ago and basically didn’t have sex until the Sunday after I had a conversation about why we weren’t? I said I felt he was prioritising sleep and beer when we have so little alone time together. He said I was moody and that’s why he didn’t want to have sex with me.

Anyway (sorry this is long) in the last couple of months my ex has agree to have the kids one night a week so as of recently we have had one childfree night a week. Sometimes DP wants to have sex then and sometimes he doesn’t.

We were in the garden yesterday and he suddenly announced that we would no longer be having sex when my kids are in the house. I am of course happy to have a conversation about what’s made him feel uncomfortable etc. But that’s not what he initiated - just decreed that from now on sex is off the table basically 6 days out of 7.

I felt pretty rejected and upset because - although I am used to him rejecting me - I wasn’t prepared for it as we weren’t even talking about sex he just announced this out of the blue and I felt hurt and embarrassed.

We then had a long conversation about how I feel that I do not have any say in when we have sex (of course I can decline it, he is not remotely coercive I just need to make that clear). His response to this was:

He doesn’t know/believe he does this. I pointed out that I don’t bother trying to initiate any more so it would be hard for him to notice now - but gave the example of him announcing in the garden that we wouldn’t having sex most days any more as an example

If he does do this he isn’t aware that he is doing it, therefore this is just the way he is and I need to accept it because this is who he is and he can’t change

I have upset him because he believes I am accusing him of being controlling (i haven’t used that word) and his ex wife said he was controlling and that’s really unfair as it’s hit a really sensitive nerve as he was not controlling in the relationship at all.

He then basically intimated that I have to dump him if I am not happy as this is who he is and I must accept him as I am. He then said I’m not perfect and when my ex upsets me I sometimes ‘take it out’ on him. I acknowledged that at times when I’ve been upset about something else I’ve been upset with DP but also explained that I reflect, take accountability for my behaviour and always apologise.

Whereas DP’s take on this is that absolutely no reflection, apology or change is necessary with regards to his approach to sex I just need to accept him as he is or dump him.

Sorry this is so long, I absolutely appreciate that nobody is entitled to sex from somebody else, but does this really mean that they should never initiate it?

OP posts:
aquashiv · 08/04/2026 09:46

He doesn't seem very affectionate. I see sex as a form of love, and without it, I feel disconnected. I wouldn't want to be rationed or rejected. Maybe you should be friends, not lovers.

GhoulWithADragonTattoo · 08/04/2026 09:47

It doesn’t sound like you are very compatible anyway…

MachineBee · 08/04/2026 09:51

I’d lay a pound to a penny he’s taking viagra and doesn’t want you to know about it. It takes around 30 mins for it to work, your experience after making a coffee and taking a shower would fit with the timeframe. It’s important you know about this in case he ever needs emergency medical attention.

When he initiates sex do you ever turn him down? It might shed more light on things if you did once in a while.

manaliiiive · 08/04/2026 09:53

aquashiv · 08/04/2026 09:46

He doesn't seem very affectionate. I see sex as a form of love, and without it, I feel disconnected. I wouldn't want to be rationed or rejected. Maybe you should be friends, not lovers.

Yes, this is the thing. From his point of view he has come a massively long way as (and I believe this) he said he’s never been physically affectionate with previous partners before really.

I know he had one 10 year LTR and a 20 year marriage. He said he never held hands or cuddled them. His ex (and I do believe this) was not tactile at all and did not like kissing/hugging anything like that.

He holds me hand whenever we go on walk. He sits and holds my hand on the sofa. He cuddles me a lot. He tells me that he has changed so much in this respect since meeting me, and so from his perspective he is hugely affectionate - far more so than he has ever been in his life previously.

So it’s hurtful for him if I say there feels like there is a lack of affection as he is so different from how he was before.The thing is I don’t know how he was before, I only know him now.

But I do believe he has changed and made an effort to change and so I do understand that it feels hurtful to him if i imply he is not intimate/affectionat

OP posts:
Highlighta · 08/04/2026 09:53

This relationship has run its course OP.

If this is how he is communicating on this, I can assure you that as you go on, other issues that crop up will not be discussed properly either.

This just seems like hard work for a new relationship. Do you really want to be dealing with, and feeling like this indefinately?

I know I couldn't and this would be a deal breaker for me.

TalulahJP · 08/04/2026 09:54

you need a sit down discussion with no kids around. tell him how rejection makes you feel and how you don’t understand why hes so hot one minute and so cold the next.

see what he says. dont let him gaslight you. and maje sure you get into the convo that it’s totally fine to take viagra and you understand notice is required for it to work but if he doesn’t explain that he likes using it (i’d use that kind of wording rather than “needs it” so no offence to his man pride) how will you know and it’s fine if you just communicate more.

manaliiiive · 08/04/2026 09:54

MachineBee · 08/04/2026 09:51

I’d lay a pound to a penny he’s taking viagra and doesn’t want you to know about it. It takes around 30 mins for it to work, your experience after making a coffee and taking a shower would fit with the timeframe. It’s important you know about this in case he ever needs emergency medical attention.

When he initiates sex do you ever turn him down? It might shed more light on things if you did once in a while.

I have wondered this and I’ve wondered if it’s giving him side effects and this is why he’s officially making announcements about how we’ll be reducing sex as a way of managing that

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rainbowunicorn22 · 08/04/2026 09:55

if he has health issues getting pissed wont exactly help matters.
To me love making should be spontaneous rather than planned like changing the bed or descaling the kettle!
he is controlling and does not seem to be that much into you, when you have free time he does not seem to use it to enhance your relationship, be that love making or just special time together. instead it seems to be for what he wants ie getting pissed nope not good

manaliiiive · 08/04/2026 09:56

I rarely turn him down as it just feels petty to do so when I do like sex, usually am up for it and - crucially - have no idea when it’s going to be on offer so it feels like a missed opportunity not to do it.

I have never, ever felt coerced or pressured into sex by him.

OP posts:
Highlighta · 08/04/2026 09:59

manaliiiive · 08/04/2026 09:56

I rarely turn him down as it just feels petty to do so when I do like sex, usually am up for it and - crucially - have no idea when it’s going to be on offer so it feels like a missed opportunity not to do it.

I have never, ever felt coerced or pressured into sex by him.

But don't you see the message here.

You don't turn him down when he wants sex as you don't want to play tit for tat, but it is perfectly fine for him to do it to you. Maybe try turning him down and see his reaction.

This is not the crux of it though. The crux is that he will not talk to you about it. This is about communication, not only sex.

NamingNoNames · 08/04/2026 10:00

just need to accept him as he is or dump him. Dump him.

Tacohill · 08/04/2026 10:04

when he’s horny he’s totally up for it.

This would really piss me off.

I’d rather he was never up for it, rather than just when it’s on his terms.

What happens when he initiates it and you say no?

Is there any correlation between times when you might not want it and him initiating it?

You’ve given a couple of examples - when you were up and showed, when you had to be up early in the morning, when your kids were home - all of these were quite inconvenient times for you and I’m just wondering if he enjoys the idea of you doing it when you’d prefer not to.

Chatterlyssecret · 08/04/2026 10:04

Does he have red or bloodshot eyes in the morning? that’s a side effect of taking viagra .

TheTulipsAreOut · 08/04/2026 10:07

Hes been texting me this morning along the lines of wants to sort this out but really doesn’t believe he’s doing it

well that's a change in tune from 'dump me if you're not happy'

from another post about the 'good things' I wouldn't be throwing the baby out with the bath water.

i would reply I was willing to talk to try to sort it out once he accepts he IS doing this, even if unintentionally & only if he is actually willing to talk properly, honestly & openly. I'd want proper answers about why he's suddenly declared no sex if your teens are home - why the change?

I think it's worth trying to sort it out, but I also think it's worth dumping him about if you can't sort it out because it's no good for your self esteem & general happiness

good luck 💕

duckfordinner · 08/04/2026 10:08

How old is he?

itsonlyafuckingbiscuit · 08/04/2026 10:08

Is he a big drinker? You've mentioned it a couple of times. Maybe he gets ED when drinking and is trying to avoid that. He's in an avoidant pattern of some kind.

In any case, although he says he wants to sort things out, he's denying reality and he's also said there's nothing to discuss so if you don't like it, dump him. I think I'd take him up on his offer.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 08/04/2026 10:08

I would dump him and would concur this relationship has run its course.

CurlyGaelicGal · 08/04/2026 10:08

He then basically intimated that I have to dump him if I am not happy as this is who he is and I must accept him as I am.

When people tell you who they are, believe them.

This isn't about how often or under what circumstances he wants to have sex, because of course everyone should have complete freedom to decide whether or not they want sex at any particular time. It's about the fact that you've told him that the way he goes about planning and deciding your sex lives is making you feel controlled, and instead of him seeing it as a situation you can work to resolve together, he's become defensive and told you he's not interested in your perspective at all.

CocoaTea · 08/04/2026 10:12

Vintagegoth · 08/04/2026 09:23

You say there is no ED, but he will only have set when he initiates it or if you tell him you have time alone a couple of days in advance. You also mention heath issues. This makes me wonder if he is having some medical help with his erections. Then when you try and push against him initiating the sex, he is panicking that you will find out. For example the kiss that became a bit heavier and he pushed you away.

I might be wrong, but might be a new angle to view things from.

Or he might be a total arse and you have had enough.

I too did wonder about ED or other issues such as “beer’s droop”. With the poor health / fitness it’s not a great combo.

@manaliiiive

I can totally see why this makes you feel unhappy / rejected.

You listed some good points about what he adds to your life but his attitude of “accept me or leave me” is not very mature. It would feel like a shut down.

Maybe call his bluff?

manaliiiive · 08/04/2026 10:13

Tacohill · 08/04/2026 10:04

when he’s horny he’s totally up for it.

This would really piss me off.

I’d rather he was never up for it, rather than just when it’s on his terms.

What happens when he initiates it and you say no?

Is there any correlation between times when you might not want it and him initiating it?

You’ve given a couple of examples - when you were up and showed, when you had to be up early in the morning, when your kids were home - all of these were quite inconvenient times for you and I’m just wondering if he enjoys the idea of you doing it when you’d prefer not to.

It does really piss me off 😬

No, he definitely doesn’t try to do it at inconvenient times for me, it’s not that he’s trying to coerce me or make it inconvenient for me

OP posts:
bigfacthunter · 08/04/2026 10:14

Shittyyear2025 · 08/04/2026 09:06

If this post was the other way round there would be definitely different responses. "My DP calls me controlling because I don't want to have sex when her teens are in the house" or even worse "my DP is calling me controlling because I don't want to have sex at every possible (child-free) opportunity"...

I absolutely did not want to have sex with my kids in the house so I can see his point. Being called controlling for this isn't right. But prioritising beer and socialising on a weekend away is more tricky.

Of course OP's DP isn't obliged to have sex at every possible opportunity. If this isn't good for you OP, time to move on, you're just not matched properly this way.

Not wanting sex at any time is not controlling at all, if that was all that was going on here I’d just say it’s a real mismatch if sex drives and priorities. But being the only one allowed to initiate it is a bit of a red flag no? Only OP can say if this fits into a wider pattern of control issues.

manaliiiive · 08/04/2026 10:14

He is sometimes a big drinker but again there’s no rhyme or reason to whether that means he wants to have sex

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GlovedhandsCecilia · 08/04/2026 10:15

Sex is something you want when you want and don't want when you don't want. You are sexually incompatible because you want sex more frequently.

itsonlyafuckingbiscuit · 08/04/2026 10:16

GlovedhandsCecilia · 08/04/2026 10:15

Sex is something you want when you want and don't want when you don't want. You are sexually incompatible because you want sex more frequently.

As is so often the case, you've completely missed the point.

Starrysky2023 · 08/04/2026 10:16

I know you said no ED, but have you considered the possibility he may be using ED drugs you don't know about so feels he has to dictate when you have sex so that he is ready to go. Even if he doesn't need them now if he's used them in the past they may be a crutch now so feels he has to carry on taking them. Leaping out of bed etc sounds like avoidance until he's ready (taken his drugs) and you've given him advance warning.