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Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

(TW SA) 2nd thread (support)…

976 replies

ByPinkPoet0 · 02/04/2026 11:13

First thread www.mumsnet.com/talk/relationships/5497497-trigger-husband-sa-why-cant-i-tell-him-and-why-do-i-feel-guilty

Huge thank you to everyone who has supported me in this so far. If you’ve got this far I really appreciate it. I read all the advice even if it seems like I don’t take it on board straight away. It’s been a difficult time of realisation for me.

I am making another thread so I can continue to post.

This is such a helpful outlet for me I’m so grateful ❤️

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TwistedWonder · 13/04/2026 07:51

PinkPoetAgain · 12/04/2026 23:16

or if he ever assaulted me again like the first time, held me down while I was crying , I think I’d end it.

I now remember thinking at the time this should ask him to leave but I was 4 weeks away from giving birth I think my brain just went nope I’d rather forget about this and pretend it didn’t happen

But he is brutally raping you on a regular basis so why are you convincing yourself every time he abuses you isn’t like that one time?

Every time he sexually assaults you in your sleep and coerces you into agreeing to be raped, he is dehumanising and brutalising you. Just because you’re not crying doesn’t mean it’s any less vile.

The smoking gun is there over and over again but you’re choosing to be in denial. It’s like you’re saying that one time was a 10/10 rape but the recent ones are only a 7/10 so it’s not as bad - he is a serial rapist who is committing criminal acts against you that deserve life in prison. These brutal degrading assaults should not be minimised

DropOfffArtiste · 13/04/2026 07:53

I think you have been trained over the years to consider his mood, perceptions, opinions, comfort above your own. This is why it is so difficult to recognise the abuse for what it is. He has lied, gaslighted you, made you doubt your own perceptions, cast himself as the authority so now you believe you have to get him to agree (and admit to the wider world) he is abusing you before you can leave him.

DropOfffArtiste · 13/04/2026 07:57

You can also decide to leave him because of the event years ago, should you so choose. You tried to talk to him about it, he lied, then admitted it, then has reenacted it on several occasions because he gets excited seeing you upset, hurt and humiliated.

You don't need to wait for a "next" time.

Isthisit22 · 13/04/2026 08:03

But he is holding you down when he rapes you. Is the smoking gun that you have to be crying?

Hhhwgroadk · 13/04/2026 08:21

Post hopefully you will see this at work. Tell your HR section, email would be good. Anyone there will help. Also the people you work with. Keeping quiet does not help you. Use little notes if you can't day it vocally.

shoppingred54 · 13/04/2026 08:30

I hope you are doing ok today @PinkPoetAgainYou have your in- person therapy appointment. If you can’t speak it, please write it down. I hope you manage to speak to your friend as well.

NettleTea · 13/04/2026 09:55

DropOfffArtiste · 13/04/2026 06:29

He is not the judge of whether you could or should leave him. You don't have to convince him you are right, you need to just go.

Your perception of the situation is valid and enough to make your own decision. You don't need his permission.

I suspect the fear of taking things further is the fear of realising truly that every one of these incidents are smoking guns, even though you are making huge psychological twists to convince herself that they are not.

I also wonder if there is an element of 'well I should have left for THAT, but I didnt, and now I cant leave for something that is lesser than that, because it doesnt feel justified.

I know I did similar. There were terrible things he did, and I didnt leave. Well at one point I did but he wormed his way back in. But I kind of didnt feel justified for leaving until the final 'smoking gun' moment which of course eventually came. How could it not.

My therapist said to me that this is a mis-think. Its a bit like the sunk costs theory - the fact you've invested so much time/effort that you need to keep going. False and unsafe. when you need out you need out and it can be for anything, even just 'I dont want this anymore'.

But in this case its also not an equitable view of what is happening.
The circumstances around moving on from event 1 were very specific - as you say, you were extremely vulnerable and 4 weeks from giving birth.

Plus now, knowing he COULD do that, you actively ensure that he doesnt do that - you agree rather than refuse, because truly, I know you believe, or at least dont want to find out, you know he would do it again, or find some way to force agreement, like the other night, so that you dont actually have to face that reality.

he is making you, by his previous behaviour, complicit in your own rape. Especially now he knows that you know it was wrong. He is covering his arse.

In some ways I would say that the most recent event is actually worse than the first one. The first one was shocking to you, it was the first time you realised he had totally crossed your boundary, the time when you realised that if you were crying, thats a very clear signal to stop, and he did not. You tried to pack that away and move on, but like all trauma it has bibbled to the surface at a time when you are strong enough to deal with it

But this time. Knowing what he knew about what had happened previously. Knowing you had been asking (and failing to get) a tiny bit of space, you stated a very clear and very defined boundary about not wanting sex. You even said you were in pain, and for that reason alone, never mind the healing from trauma bit, you said no. When he started in bed, you again clearly said NO.

He knew you had said no very clearly. He knew you were in pain. He knew that the sex that had happened previously was meaning you were needing therapy. He knew that you needed space because of that. These things he did not know the first time it happened. He still went ahead, and then put you into a position where you had no choice but to nod, because deep down both you and I know it wouldnt have made any difference, and you did not want the reality to hit you in the face. By agreeing you can tell yourself it wasnt the same. But it was. It was worse.

And I think you know that if you speak to the police they would agree and you wouldnt be able to hide behind (for your own mental protection) the stories you tell yourself because the reality is too horrific and is something you cannot go back from.

You dont need however to go to the police (although I would, and the reason being is that you are also financially controlled and you need as much support from legal aid as possible, as he is going to screw you over if he can, Plus more importantly he WILL use the children to try to control you, and recently laws have changed around separation, and you will need to protect your children.)

I did not want to say these last couple of paragraphs at this point because you are scared and vulnerable, and you dont want to think about the leaving bit yet, but his behaviour has escalated dangerously, and my fear is that although he is in 'nice' at the moment, the next nasty is going to be very serious, especially if he feels you have not put yourself back in the box. Right now you will only be safe if you completely stop doing or asking any questions or stopping him having sex. So no more discussions about money, no more refusals. He is on high alert. He knows something is up. Its only going to take something small to make the switch.

PinkNosy · 13/04/2026 11:20

he is making you, by his previous behaviour, complicit in your own rape.

This is exactly what is happening

DoesthislookgoodOnMe · 13/04/2026 11:54

I agree with @NettleTea especially about not challenging him right now. It makes me very disgusted with myself to advise you to comply with him ( for now) as I feel the slightest refusal on your part will have dangerous consequences.
Also @PinkPoetAgain the next time he has sex with you and gets you in that face down position, I think it’s safer for you to be on all 4’s as I don’t think he will easily hold your neck down like that as you will be supporting your own weight without him completely putting his on you :(

PinkPoetAgain · 13/04/2026 11:56

lots of messages ! I’m sorry I can’t reply to every single one but just know it means a lot ❤️

As always most of you seem to know me better than I know myself. It is amazing to read how correct you are with some things. @NettleTea I think what you say about not feeling justified leaving because I’ve let ‘worse’ things go, or that his anger is actually much better at the moment - this is very true.

I’d actually also be petrified leaving if I’m being honest. Staying feels, even with what’s been happening, actually less scary. He’d be completely blind sighted and really angry. I actually get really anxious even thinking about how or when I would even do it without him finding out and what if he did. I’m anxious enough that he might stumble across this one day.

am feeling a bit better today. I am happy taking small steps and that doesn’t send me into an anxious panic. I totally get what everyone is saying about the ‘smoking gun’ that I’m looking for has actually already happened several times. I just feel … unable to take the next step. I clearly need the therapy because I am still craving his good mood, approval and nice side. I have always thought I could ‘change him’ and I still feel that pull now. things might get better , if , when blah blah. Embarrassing side note is that when we first got together I used to tell all my friends that he was a complicated guy and I was going to ‘change him’ . How that turned out for me .

Today I have tried to contact the DV helpline but it’s a very long queue and I’m working and get short breaks. I will try again later. I also have therapy session after work. I am nervous about doing it face to face as I feel I may just have a breakdown in the chair if I try and let it all come out. I feel sick about it.

Thank you for your concern and I’m aware you are all very worried about my safety.
I will continue to be cautious and I might be able to pick up a spare phone on the way home from supermarket.

Sorry that turned out really long!

YourOliveBalonz · 13/04/2026 12:05

PinkPoetAgain · 13/04/2026 11:56

lots of messages ! I’m sorry I can’t reply to every single one but just know it means a lot ❤️

As always most of you seem to know me better than I know myself. It is amazing to read how correct you are with some things. @NettleTea I think what you say about not feeling justified leaving because I’ve let ‘worse’ things go, or that his anger is actually much better at the moment - this is very true.

I’d actually also be petrified leaving if I’m being honest. Staying feels, even with what’s been happening, actually less scary. He’d be completely blind sighted and really angry. I actually get really anxious even thinking about how or when I would even do it without him finding out and what if he did. I’m anxious enough that he might stumble across this one day.

am feeling a bit better today. I am happy taking small steps and that doesn’t send me into an anxious panic. I totally get what everyone is saying about the ‘smoking gun’ that I’m looking for has actually already happened several times. I just feel … unable to take the next step. I clearly need the therapy because I am still craving his good mood, approval and nice side. I have always thought I could ‘change him’ and I still feel that pull now. things might get better , if , when blah blah. Embarrassing side note is that when we first got together I used to tell all my friends that he was a complicated guy and I was going to ‘change him’ . How that turned out for me .

Today I have tried to contact the DV helpline but it’s a very long queue and I’m working and get short breaks. I will try again later. I also have therapy session after work. I am nervous about doing it face to face as I feel I may just have a breakdown in the chair if I try and let it all come out. I feel sick about it.

Thank you for your concern and I’m aware you are all very worried about my safety.
I will continue to be cautious and I might be able to pick up a spare phone on the way home from supermarket.

Sorry that turned out really long!

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You are doing what you can for now! I hope both therapy and seeking support from Women’s Aid or similar will help address the fear you have about what would happen if you did end it by helping you visualise the practical steps and what help is available to keep you safe. Remember you could also get a GP appointment to get targeted support, especially if you are not getting through with helplines.

Hope also that talking to your friend properly will help too, as she knows you.

WallaceinAnderland · 13/04/2026 13:02

when you need out you need out and it can be for anything, even just 'I dont want this anymore'

This is why we have the phrase 'the straw that broke the camel's back'.

You don't need to wait for a huge event that stands out. The burden is already there and it's ok to say that's enough, I don't want this anymore.

DownThePubWithStevieNicks · 13/04/2026 13:26

PinkPoetAgain · 12/04/2026 23:32

Definitely sometimes. Especially like the other night when he’s already started and it’s quite clear he won’t take no for an answer

The other night was exactly the same as when you were pregnant and crying, except now you’ve learned not to cry. It’s like when a neglected baby learns that nobody will help if they cry.

Hhhwgroadk · 13/04/2026 13:59

Get a Drs appointment about your "migraines" asap because your medication is not working and you are getting side effects. This would not hopefully arouse his suspicions.

ThisJadeBear · 13/04/2026 14:03

Hhhwgroadk · 13/04/2026 13:59

Get a Drs appointment about your "migraines" asap because your medication is not working and you are getting side effects. This would not hopefully arouse his suspicions.

Sadly I don’t think PP can do this.
She is reading our posts but is already back in the happy place.
However, going to face-to-face therapy is a huge step and if she manages to go and even scratch the surface, that’s a positive step.

category12 · 13/04/2026 16:14

Just wanted to point out a lot of his behaviours are common or garden abuser moves - I spotted these ones (which seemed relevant to what you've disclosed so far) on the Women's Aid site:

Physical -
-Applying pressure to your neck or holding you down
-Punching walls or breaking things

Psychological -
-Telling you that they’re sorry, that it isn’t abuse
-Telling you that you deserve or cause the abuse

Financial -
-Controlling all of the household income and keeping financial information a secret
-Having control over spending, checking receipts, having everything in their name

Sexual -
-Rape or sexual assault. This can be any sexual act you did not consent to. It can include forced kissing, touching or penetration.
-Having sex with you when you are unable to consent, for example if you are under the influence of drugs or alcohol which may affect your ability to consent.
-Using force, threats, guilt, manipulation or intimidation to make you perform sexual acts

Comtesse · 13/04/2026 16:56

ThisJadeBear · 13/04/2026 14:03

Sadly I don’t think PP can do this.
She is reading our posts but is already back in the happy place.
However, going to face-to-face therapy is a huge step and if she manages to go and even scratch the surface, that’s a positive step.

Edited

It takes time I guess. Just jumping ship with 4 kids is not that easy. Going to therapy, telling a friend in RL, keeping these threads going, reaching out to a DV helpline not once but twice - sounds like a lot of great steps forward to me. Please keep chipping away Poet, you can have a more peaceful life.

shoppingred54 · 13/04/2026 17:13

I honestly believe the GP appointment is the best thing that Poet can do right now. It will get her access to local support services rather than trying to sneakily make phone calls to a national helpline that’s got constant queues. That support will go at her pace, it’s not going to be an intervention.

But also must recognise how far Poet has travelled. A few weeks ago he was the perfect husband, happy life and the pregnancy rape was a blip. It may take years to leave him, but the risk now is that the behaviours are ramping up. It’s an utterly hellish situation to be in.

WallaceinAnderland · 13/04/2026 19:50

A few weeks ago he was the perfect husband, happy life and the pregnancy rape was a blip.

Except OP was still saying the same thing just yesterday.

'He’s just lovely all day, affectionate, helpful and taking the lead with the children so I can have a ‘rest’ and generally reminding me of all the reasons why I fell in love with him.

it sounds like I am waiting for the ‘smoking gun’ in a sense, that I can been like THAT is absolutely 100% abuse and cannot be twisted or presented in any other way. And I feel like she is right.'

Whilst OP has taken some physical steps, she has not made the mental steps of acknowledging that he is regularly abusive towards her and her children and the one event that she does acknowledge as abusive is still, in her mind, a blip.

augustusglupe · 13/04/2026 21:03

WallaceinAnderland · 13/04/2026 19:50

A few weeks ago he was the perfect husband, happy life and the pregnancy rape was a blip.

Except OP was still saying the same thing just yesterday.

'He’s just lovely all day, affectionate, helpful and taking the lead with the children so I can have a ‘rest’ and generally reminding me of all the reasons why I fell in love with him.

it sounds like I am waiting for the ‘smoking gun’ in a sense, that I can been like THAT is absolutely 100% abuse and cannot be twisted or presented in any other way. And I feel like she is right.'

Whilst OP has taken some physical steps, she has not made the mental steps of acknowledging that he is regularly abusive towards her and her children and the one event that she does acknowledge as abusive is still, in her mind, a blip.

Yes, the whole picture IS the abuse. He’s hoovering up big time after every incident, so poet thinks that he’s being lovely…he’s not, it’s all part of the cycle and he’s just reeling her in and getting her comfortable again before the next time. It’s heartbreaking, but if she doesn’t see it then I don’t know..

TwistedWonder · 13/04/2026 21:10

augustusglupe · 13/04/2026 21:03

Yes, the whole picture IS the abuse. He’s hoovering up big time after every incident, so poet thinks that he’s being lovely…he’s not, it’s all part of the cycle and he’s just reeling her in and getting her comfortable again before the next time. It’s heartbreaking, but if she doesn’t see it then I don’t know..

For us outsiders the abuse is so blatant we can’t understand why she’s not running for the hills.

But this manipulator has groomed and gaslit her from such a young age, convinced her she was damaged good and he was her knight in shining armour. By sounds of it she had her doubts about him early on but he managed to act as her saviour and she ignored the red flags because he seemed to offer her the security she craved.

WallaceinAnderland · 13/04/2026 21:26

Someone on another thread posted the analogy that if someone put a little bit of shit in your coffee you're not going to drink it.

Even if it's only 1% shit and 99% really good coffee. OP is drinking his shitty coffee every day and telling everyone it's great.

NettleTea · 13/04/2026 22:00

Im not surprised to be honest. Not that I think things will go backwards, I think steps are beiong made, but its the cycle. And its years of abuse and gaslighting. Women in these situations need to do it in their own time. And they have nothing if they dont have hope. Upthread Poet talked about how she thought she could change him, and he has fed into that with his stopping drinking, and telling her that he did it for her.
There is another thread Ive been following on here, and someone asked the OP an interesting question - they accepted that the partners background made him into the person that he was, but they asked what had made her believe that she should mother and fix that 'small boy child'

we could ask Poet, what in her has led her to believe that she can change someone? Its not an unusual trope to be honest - it is one we see often in the media - a bad man turned good by the love of a woman. The belief of looking for a man with 'potential' of bringing out the best in him. Im not sure where it came from, this putting the responsibility for a mans success on the shoulders of his partner, but its wholly unrealistic and a recipe for disaster.

Its good to support, but ultimately the driver for change, or success, or self analysis must come from the individual themselves. the desire must be there.

and as for making a bad man good, well that just seems like carte blanch to suggest that a woman must put up with an awful lot of shit in the hope that at some point he will turn it around and be grateful she is still there. weve seen too many times how that works out, and its not pretty.

So I will give Poet some slack, and allow her this breathe of normality for a moment. I trust her therapy has gone OK. She sent this thread to her friend, so that cannot be put back in the bag - its not like she said 'something bad has happened/ and then minimised it. the friend knows it all and may well be here. I hope she is here. Friend - if you are here, go slow. I know you want to help, and you will be able to help, but dont push, however much you want to. she needs to take these steps herself - knowing you have her back, but in her time. And she will get there but this may be one of a number of threads over weeks, months or years, and I am quite quite sure that there are a core of us here who will be there.

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 13/04/2026 22:03

I so hope the friend did read this thread, and indeed the previous thread. I also hope the friend is keeping up to date with the thread.

DoesthislookgoodOnMe · 13/04/2026 22:19

I have faith that PP will get there. She’s taking tentative big steps forward. She’s not in complete denial mode, maybe on the surface but not deep down. How to navigate the future is the hardest part. I will be part of the fire still here ❤️