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Is this an emotional affair?

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Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 13:49

Long post. Sorry.
Husband and I are around our 40s and have been married for nearly 10 years now. In the past 10 years we have bought our own home, filled it not just with love but with two children and a dog. Which is not to say it has been easy… It has not been, on my end at least, for about a year.
Let me allow you a bit more background: hubby and I share the same workplace, though we are employed there in different positions. I only see him around lunchtime, which we – usually – spend together. About a year ago, our workplace hired someone new. I will refer to her as Girl. Girl is twenty-four and works closely with husband. Exactly how would give too much away, but they often work as a team. Initially, husband didn't like the idea of Girl assisting him in his work, because 1) she is quite a bit younger than we are, which, in our experience, often leads to different attitudes and therefore disagreement, and 2) she is freshly graduated, and, as such, not a very experienced professional.
His opinion of Girl changed rather quickly. I found this positive, as the idea of Girl working alongside him had previously caused some stress. Husband informed me that Girl made a favourable first impression, both on the people he works with and on him. I myself have of course already met Girl. Girl is friendly, creative, gentle. Impassioned about the work she does. I understood immediately how come hubby and Girl got along swimmingly.
Since Girl has started her job at our workplace, I have noticed, a couple of changes have emerged in the relationship between hubby and me. The most evident of them all is that hubby spends a lot of time with Girl. He doesn't say it like this, of course. But I know he works overtime, sometimes multiple days in the week, on projects he undertakes with Girl to innovate. ‘Breathing new life into old ideas’. OK, honey. Then, there is our lunch breaks! We would enjoy these together, before. These moments I look forward to throughout the morning have had to make way more than once for “work stuff”. Code, of course, for “creative brainstorming” with Girl. He never mentions he is doing this work stuff with her; this is what alerted me in the first place. Why does he feel the need to leave out Girl when he tells me he can’t spend his lunch break with me?
I have asked him about this, by the way. I appreciate forthright communication and he has always done the same. His answer was pretty clear: he presumed I knew, since his job is basically a shared position, now, and presumed as well that I did not care. I told him that I don’t, but that I feel a bit strange about his total silence about Girl in this “work stuff”. We had a good, honest conversation about it, I thought, and so I thought that was the end of my paranoiac suspicions about him and Girl. Why was I worried, anyway? Hubby likes his women blonde and skinny. Girl is dark haired and somewhat on the chubby side. NOT his type. He has made (lighthearted) jokes about her figure. So, NO reason to fret. Right?
Some time on from this valuable conversation, Girl and hubby continue to be “work pals”. Since Girl lives closeby, on the mornings he is not the one to bring our kids to school, hubby picks her up in the early morning and they carpool to work together. This decision was not made by us both. One morning, hubby just told me he felt it would be a good thing to do. I asked “why?”. She can drive, after all, she has her own car. He said it just felt like a nice thing to do. OK, honey. So Girl and him do not just spend many lunchbreaks together, but they drive to work together, as well. Again I had a conversation with hubby about his relationship with Girl. I named it for what it was in my eyes, a relationship. I asked him if it didn’t feel strange, to somehow connect so well with a woman more than ten years his (our) junior. At this he seemed mildly ticked off. He expressed that he found it ‘difficult’ that I was suspicious of this work relationship, since he has not always been lucky to have pleasant co-workers; I said I was not suspicious, maybe a bit worried, since so much of his time and thoughts are shared with Girl. Eventually we agreed on a boundary, being that outside of school, he would limit his communication with Girl, as they were certainly crossing into close friendship territory as opposed to close colleague territory.
He agreed. Communication, however, has not ceased. It did for a little while, I think, but I am aware they speak on Facebook and message back and forth. Which in and of itself I find deeply appropriate for a late 30s father and a mid 20s single woman. So… I may or may not have snooped a week or two ago to see just what these messages contain. All in all the entire chat log was innocent. Back and forth about everything and nothing. Something in me, though, reads all of it as two people falling in love? I can’t quite put my finger on it. Mocking teasing, sending one another photo’s of “thing that reminded me of you today while I was shopping!”, juvenile memes I don’t understand but he seems to like. I also found out hubby has bought her a gift on occasion (one time, a set of books; another time, a necklace with the initial of her name). Why does he do this? Why doesn’t he tell me he does this?
Since this I have been living in this weird state of being torn between two roads. I do trust husband. He has never given me any reason to suspect him of infidelity. Out of everyone I know, hubby would be the last I would think is capable of lying, cheating, etc. And yet, on the other road there is the strange reality that we have grown a bit more distant. We are a good couple and good parents to our kids as we have been but I can’t say things haven’t cooled down in certain departments of our relationship. Barely any dates. Sex is… something that happens maybe once a month.
I hope this Bible I wrote paints a somewhat clear picture for you to be able to answer this post's title. Is hubby having an emotional affair? If this goes on, will he cheat? It's a tough spot to be in, I hope some other perspectives or perhaps even experiences from other women will help me recognize just what position I am in. Or, well, what to expect. Ask me any questions if you would like to know more. I am an open book and sort of desperate, I'll admit.
Thank you in advance!

OP posts:
C152 · 24/10/2025 16:42

Sometimes I read these types of threads and think the two people accused of an emotional affair could just be friends. But it's really not sounding good in this case, OP. For me, too, the type of gifts he has bought her cross the line from friendship into something more. As another poster said, the books point to 'look at how well I know you' and 'I think about you when you're not there' and you don't buy a woman jewellery unless she's family or you have some sort of romantic connection (or want one).

MissDoubleU · 24/10/2025 16:44

Wowisthisit · 24/10/2025 16:17

No, your original post was rude and full of offence.
'I'm so sick of this rhetoric' and calling her 'highly ignorant' whilst ignoring OPs plight. You just grabbed onto her using the word skinny (even using it in italics!) and ran with it.

HTH
😂

“Whilst ignoring OP’s plight”

I posted several comments previous to that one in regards to OP’s plight, which OP herself has acknowledged as helpful.

roseshavebeautifulthorns · 24/10/2025 16:46

It sounds like it’s an emotional affair. The gifts are step into a solid relationship. It probably isn’t anything physical yet.

cooldarkroom · 24/10/2025 16:48

Well I would ask him if he is planning on pursuing this girl further? He is clearly overstepping, & it is leading to a fully blown affair, So, tell him to take a hard look in the mirror, imagine if your roles were reversed?
Tell him you won't be taken for a fool, you are fully aware of what is happening, any gaslighting, he can leave today, & explain he is having an affair to his children.
It's gone too far, His home & family will not be waiting around,
No tears & "pick me". he is on the verge of throwing this all away. making a fool of himself, & possibly the Governors may not be impressed.

MrsLavs · 24/10/2025 16:49

Jewellery and books are deeply personal gifts OP I would be distraught. This is absolutely an EA and I don't think your gut is wrong on the "falling in love" at all. I'm so sorry.

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 16:49

I am a bit worried it has stepped into the physical because our sex life has basically died down in a matter of... months? While I know there is a sex drive - he masturbates - there has been little to no sex or even physical affection.
I don't want to think about it, but some things do match up. Any time I will take initiative he will be too tired or he will not be home until I am already well asleep. I can't say for sure it is intentional, but it makes one think.

OP posts:
shhblackbag · 24/10/2025 16:50

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 16:11

I can't imagine her going along with that (sex). For some reason. I think I will do as some have said, and look into his cellphone. And hope nothing is in there.

I wouldn't put much stock in not finding anything on his phone. Chats can be deleted. There are disappearing messages...

He bought her personalised jewellery, other gifts, and messages her often (putting that desire over your comfort). He's getting his kicks in somehow with this young woman, who clearly isn't a girl.

MrTiddlesTheCat · 24/10/2025 16:50

SL2924 · 24/10/2025 16:02

Men generally don’t buy jewellery for women if there is not sex involved.

I agree with this. I think if he's reached the point of buying jewellery, then it's already physical.

UpMyself · 24/10/2025 16:57

@AbsentosaurusRex Not seen it.Smile
I also found out hubby has bought her a gift on occasion (one time, a set of books; another time, a necklace with the initial of her name).
Why does he do this?
Because he wants to shag her.

Why doesn’t he tell me he does this?
Because he wants to shag her.

It's not weird.

UpMyself · 24/10/2025 17:00

or he will not be home until I am already well asleep.
Where is he that he is not home until you are asleep?

If the sex has changed it's probably physical.

shhblackbag · 24/10/2025 17:02

They're teachers? I haven't been in one school or academic setting where cheating was not rife. Even as a teenager we knew that several teachers were having affairs with each other.

Mrspatmoresapprentice · 24/10/2025 17:03

It would be so far out of character for my DH to buy gifts (of jewellery no less!) for any woman, other than me, and then not tell me about it, that this would have me kicking him out, because I would know, after decades together, what it meant. Add that to the constant messaging, the lifts, the lunchtimes and he can fuck right off.
Only you know him op, maybe he’s just a kind and thoughtful gift giver, but this would not fly in my house. I’d go ballistic if I found out my DH was doing any or all of this. You need to tackle this now and be able prepared to chuck him out because he absolutely will lie.

Mincepietastic · 24/10/2025 17:05

Well, it's definitely and emotional affair from what you've said, but the distance between you, the change to sex and the very personal gift - for me it's pointing to it being physical.

I'm so sorry if that's the case.

NestaArcheron · 24/10/2025 17:05

The way you speak about her is actually vile - you assumed she was inexperienced due to her being younger than you, refer to her as “girl”, even though she is your equal as a colleague - and then go as far as to say she isn’t his type because she’s dark haired and chubby whereas you’re blonde and skinny - so how could he like her?! Your husband has feelings for this woman. That is not her fault. Direct your anger toward your husband, rather than the young woman whom you’ve had it in for since the second she started at your workplace.

outerspacepotato · 24/10/2025 17:05

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 16:49

I am a bit worried it has stepped into the physical because our sex life has basically died down in a matter of... months? While I know there is a sex drive - he masturbates - there has been little to no sex or even physical affection.
I don't want to think about it, but some things do match up. Any time I will take initiative he will be too tired or he will not be home until I am already well asleep. I can't say for sure it is intentional, but it makes one think.

Given this new info, I'd say he's having a physical affair with her and it's serious, not just a fling. He's avoiding and refusing sex with you. He stays out late, picks her up early in the morning...

Get your ducks in order. See a lawyer as to what you can expect in a divorce and what are your options before you confront him. Copy all your financials and put those copies where he has no access. Ask one of your close coworkers if there's gossip about them.

roseshavebeautifulthorns · 24/10/2025 17:05

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 15:12

Does anyone think it would be justified looking through his phone? Or is that inexcusable, no matter what?

You’ll know the boundaries you’ve set in your relationship.
If he has been open with his phone previously he should have no issues. If he refuses he probably has something to hide.

Your instinct is your strongest guide.
It’s really up to you if you decide to snoop on his phone. You have to be sure you want to read what might be there.

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 17:13

NestaArcheron · 24/10/2025 17:05

The way you speak about her is actually vile - you assumed she was inexperienced due to her being younger than you, refer to her as “girl”, even though she is your equal as a colleague - and then go as far as to say she isn’t his type because she’s dark haired and chubby whereas you’re blonde and skinny - so how could he like her?! Your husband has feelings for this woman. That is not her fault. Direct your anger toward your husband, rather than the young woman whom you’ve had it in for since the second she started at your workplace.

About the inexperience - I said that because, of all the younger teachers male or female, maybe 1 has been competent and capable of leading a classroom. Any of the teachers my husband has worked with have either been incompetent or needed to be shown the ropes about... everything.
I refer to her as Girl because everyone does. No one at our school says she is a beautiful, bright or professional woman. They say Girl. She is vibrant, youthful, and dresses the part. Perhaps it came off as demeaning, but it was not my intention to talk down on her. Not at all.
Moreover, re: the skinny/chubby thing - she is absolutely beautiful. Just not the type I would ever have imagined my husband being attracted to because she is so different from the women he has told me he finds attractive. All of his exes were thin blonde women like me. It is not a crime to have a type nor to point it out.
I am not angry with her. I don't, genuinely don't, think she reciprocates his feelings. So.

OP posts:
Sevenamcoffee · 24/10/2025 17:13

OP I think you’re going to have to look on the phone and I think it’s justified personally. I’m so sorry this is happening.

Mrspatmoresapprentice · 24/10/2025 17:14

NestaArcheron · 24/10/2025 17:05

The way you speak about her is actually vile - you assumed she was inexperienced due to her being younger than you, refer to her as “girl”, even though she is your equal as a colleague - and then go as far as to say she isn’t his type because she’s dark haired and chubby whereas you’re blonde and skinny - so how could he like her?! Your husband has feelings for this woman. That is not her fault. Direct your anger toward your husband, rather than the young woman whom you’ve had it in for since the second she started at your workplace.

Op is trying to navigate an awful situation, cut her a bit of slack. I would wager this “girl” knows exactly what she’s doing. Either that or she’s astoundingly naive. Not ideal, in a teacher.

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 17:16

Mrspatmoresapprentice · 24/10/2025 17:14

Op is trying to navigate an awful situation, cut her a bit of slack. I would wager this “girl” knows exactly what she’s doing. Either that or she’s astoundingly naive. Not ideal, in a teacher.

I genuinely think she is either naive no matter his intentions, or sees him as a father figure of sorts, from the messages I read between them... all gratitude and fawning over how much he has taught her. I can't see a homewrecker in her. Maybe I have too much faith in people maybe not.

OP posts:
Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 17:16

Mrspatmoresapprentice · 24/10/2025 17:14

Op is trying to navigate an awful situation, cut her a bit of slack. I would wager this “girl” knows exactly what she’s doing. Either that or she’s astoundingly naive. Not ideal, in a teacher.

I genuinely think she is either naive no matter his intentions, or sees him as a father figure of sorts, from the messages I read between them... all gratitude and fawning over how much he has taught her. I can't see a homewrecker in her. Maybe I have too much faith in people maybe not.

OP posts:
Oblahdeeoblahdoe · 24/10/2025 17:22

He's getting a buzz out of the attention from a younger member of staff and he needs to grow the fuck up.
Firstly, I'd ask him if he has anything to tell you about his colleague. See how he reacts and what he says. Then tell him you know about the gifts.
You then need a serious conversation with him and lay it on the line. He's jeopardising his marriage and his children's future happiness, just for a thrill. No more lifts, no more texting and no more gifts!! I wish you the best of luck @Hubbyissue82

GelatoForMe · 24/10/2025 17:23

He must be crazy to think all he does is allowed to a married man.
My husband would never be allowed to carpool with a woman over my kids, or even if we had not kids, he would never be allowed to have lunches with her while I am in the same company. I understand he just overridden your opinion and did it, which is worse ....

Mrspatmoresapprentice · 24/10/2025 17:24

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 17:16

I genuinely think she is either naive no matter his intentions, or sees him as a father figure of sorts, from the messages I read between them... all gratitude and fawning over how much he has taught her. I can't see a homewrecker in her. Maybe I have too much faith in people maybe not.

I’m old and cynical but I would strongly advise you do not judge her by your own standards. Would you have behaved like this, at 24? I absolutely wouldn’t.

AbsentosaurusRex · 24/10/2025 17:25

I don’t think she’s set off to being a home wrecker. I expect she’s been a bit lonely and wondered if she’d ever find a partner / husband. And here is your husband, paying her lots of attention, buying her presents. Picking her up for work. Having lunch. So she’s projecting on to yours. She may hope for a future with him. I expect his dick is feeling flattered. No man does all of the above, for nothing. I’m sorry op. I’m not sure of best way forward. He moves job??

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