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Is this an emotional affair?

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Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 13:49

Long post. Sorry.
Husband and I are around our 40s and have been married for nearly 10 years now. In the past 10 years we have bought our own home, filled it not just with love but with two children and a dog. Which is not to say it has been easy… It has not been, on my end at least, for about a year.
Let me allow you a bit more background: hubby and I share the same workplace, though we are employed there in different positions. I only see him around lunchtime, which we – usually – spend together. About a year ago, our workplace hired someone new. I will refer to her as Girl. Girl is twenty-four and works closely with husband. Exactly how would give too much away, but they often work as a team. Initially, husband didn't like the idea of Girl assisting him in his work, because 1) she is quite a bit younger than we are, which, in our experience, often leads to different attitudes and therefore disagreement, and 2) she is freshly graduated, and, as such, not a very experienced professional.
His opinion of Girl changed rather quickly. I found this positive, as the idea of Girl working alongside him had previously caused some stress. Husband informed me that Girl made a favourable first impression, both on the people he works with and on him. I myself have of course already met Girl. Girl is friendly, creative, gentle. Impassioned about the work she does. I understood immediately how come hubby and Girl got along swimmingly.
Since Girl has started her job at our workplace, I have noticed, a couple of changes have emerged in the relationship between hubby and me. The most evident of them all is that hubby spends a lot of time with Girl. He doesn't say it like this, of course. But I know he works overtime, sometimes multiple days in the week, on projects he undertakes with Girl to innovate. ‘Breathing new life into old ideas’. OK, honey. Then, there is our lunch breaks! We would enjoy these together, before. These moments I look forward to throughout the morning have had to make way more than once for “work stuff”. Code, of course, for “creative brainstorming” with Girl. He never mentions he is doing this work stuff with her; this is what alerted me in the first place. Why does he feel the need to leave out Girl when he tells me he can’t spend his lunch break with me?
I have asked him about this, by the way. I appreciate forthright communication and he has always done the same. His answer was pretty clear: he presumed I knew, since his job is basically a shared position, now, and presumed as well that I did not care. I told him that I don’t, but that I feel a bit strange about his total silence about Girl in this “work stuff”. We had a good, honest conversation about it, I thought, and so I thought that was the end of my paranoiac suspicions about him and Girl. Why was I worried, anyway? Hubby likes his women blonde and skinny. Girl is dark haired and somewhat on the chubby side. NOT his type. He has made (lighthearted) jokes about her figure. So, NO reason to fret. Right?
Some time on from this valuable conversation, Girl and hubby continue to be “work pals”. Since Girl lives closeby, on the mornings he is not the one to bring our kids to school, hubby picks her up in the early morning and they carpool to work together. This decision was not made by us both. One morning, hubby just told me he felt it would be a good thing to do. I asked “why?”. She can drive, after all, she has her own car. He said it just felt like a nice thing to do. OK, honey. So Girl and him do not just spend many lunchbreaks together, but they drive to work together, as well. Again I had a conversation with hubby about his relationship with Girl. I named it for what it was in my eyes, a relationship. I asked him if it didn’t feel strange, to somehow connect so well with a woman more than ten years his (our) junior. At this he seemed mildly ticked off. He expressed that he found it ‘difficult’ that I was suspicious of this work relationship, since he has not always been lucky to have pleasant co-workers; I said I was not suspicious, maybe a bit worried, since so much of his time and thoughts are shared with Girl. Eventually we agreed on a boundary, being that outside of school, he would limit his communication with Girl, as they were certainly crossing into close friendship territory as opposed to close colleague territory.
He agreed. Communication, however, has not ceased. It did for a little while, I think, but I am aware they speak on Facebook and message back and forth. Which in and of itself I find deeply appropriate for a late 30s father and a mid 20s single woman. So… I may or may not have snooped a week or two ago to see just what these messages contain. All in all the entire chat log was innocent. Back and forth about everything and nothing. Something in me, though, reads all of it as two people falling in love? I can’t quite put my finger on it. Mocking teasing, sending one another photo’s of “thing that reminded me of you today while I was shopping!”, juvenile memes I don’t understand but he seems to like. I also found out hubby has bought her a gift on occasion (one time, a set of books; another time, a necklace with the initial of her name). Why does he do this? Why doesn’t he tell me he does this?
Since this I have been living in this weird state of being torn between two roads. I do trust husband. He has never given me any reason to suspect him of infidelity. Out of everyone I know, hubby would be the last I would think is capable of lying, cheating, etc. And yet, on the other road there is the strange reality that we have grown a bit more distant. We are a good couple and good parents to our kids as we have been but I can’t say things haven’t cooled down in certain departments of our relationship. Barely any dates. Sex is… something that happens maybe once a month.
I hope this Bible I wrote paints a somewhat clear picture for you to be able to answer this post's title. Is hubby having an emotional affair? If this goes on, will he cheat? It's a tough spot to be in, I hope some other perspectives or perhaps even experiences from other women will help me recognize just what position I am in. Or, well, what to expect. Ask me any questions if you would like to know more. I am an open book and sort of desperate, I'll admit.
Thank you in advance!

OP posts:
TheThingOnTheIce · 24/10/2025 15:41

wizzywig · 24/10/2025 15:39

Snitch anonymously to the head teacher so that she speaks to both parties. I feel for you op I really do. You work in the same place and its likely other colleagues have noticed. All the best

I’d be tempted to do this also

nixon1976 · 24/10/2025 15:44

The gifts are a huge issue as they are a physical representation of his affection. Just ask him. Ask now. 'I found out you bought X a necklace. Why did you do that?' And then don't say another word until he answers your question

namechange2313 · 24/10/2025 15:45

Trust your gut OP. If something doesn't feel right it usually is because it isn't. To me it sounds exactly like an emotional affair.

My exDH was spending more time at work, coming home late, car sharing & 'helping' a work colleague. All whilst I was struggling at home. My gut was right.

I do know it's so hard to do anything without evidence. I would focus on what you can control for now e.g. asking him to spend prioritise time with you at lunch and anything else that you think is important. His response to this will give you more of a inkling about where his head is at and if something's shifted.

Daftapath · 24/10/2025 15:47

I would come at it from the angle that a couple of colleagues have mentioned something to you about how close they are. He is overstepping boundaries professionally as well as with regards your marriage …

Keep your card close to your chest about having seen messages. Maybe ask him to show them to you?

As is always said, it’s never middle aged Dave from accounts they get too close to is it?

millymae · 24/10/2025 15:47

I genuinely don’t know what I’d do in this situation. Do you say nothing more and watch very carefully and wait, or just ask him outright what’s going on. Despite what he might say you’d be on pretty safe ground calling out his actions as virtually every one on here has said they point at least to an emotional affair.
Have you confided in anyone at work about your worries - don’t be embarrassed to do so - it’s him (and her) in the wrong not you. Bearing in mind what you’ve told us I’d be very surprised if someone hasn’t noticed their closeness already and it won’t take long for the whispers to begin
You could mention to him in passing that you are worried that colleagues might be talking about him behind his back and if things haven’t gone too far it might be just enough to bring him to his senses.

Wowisthisit · 24/10/2025 15:48

MissDoubleU · 24/10/2025 15:41

No she was saying this woman could not be a threat and she was not concerned because she wasn’t his usual type. I was pointing out this isn’t how attraction works. And as I said, saying “he’s never dated a Black woman before” would have been equally ignorant.

She was explaining why, so far, SHE didn't think she was a threat and was ok with it. It was how SHE felt. She didn't say 'no one could possibly find a larger lady attractive' so no need for you to go into how your partner finds every bit of you attractive because I don't think you are in a relationship with her partner, and that is the person she is talking about.

ScrewyouJonathon · 24/10/2025 15:49

blacksax · 24/10/2025 14:51

She's 24. She's not a girl, she's a woman.

hth

I wish MN would ban all of the 'HTH' passive aggressive bullshit posts. Your post would've been just fine without it you know?

Wowisthisit · 24/10/2025 15:50

nixon1976 · 24/10/2025 15:44

The gifts are a huge issue as they are a physical representation of his affection. Just ask him. Ask now. 'I found out you bought X a necklace. Why did you do that?' And then don't say another word until he answers your question

Agree, often gifts are a 'love language'. Especially when they are secret gifts. He would have gone out and bought that gift, had it at home with him until he gave it to her and at no point did he get the gift out and show it to the OP and say, look at this necklace I bought for 'Girl' I think she will like it. There is a reason he didn't show it to OP and that is because it was not an innocent gift for a friend.
He hid it because it had meaning.

UpMyself · 24/10/2025 15:51

ScrewyouJonathon · 24/10/2025 15:49

I wish MN would ban all of the 'HTH' passive aggressive bullshit posts. Your post would've been just fine without it you know?

Hear, hear.

MissDoubleU · 24/10/2025 15:59

Wowisthisit · 24/10/2025 15:48

She was explaining why, so far, SHE didn't think she was a threat and was ok with it. It was how SHE felt. She didn't say 'no one could possibly find a larger lady attractive' so no need for you to go into how your partner finds every bit of you attractive because I don't think you are in a relationship with her partner, and that is the person she is talking about.

I was pointing out that HER feeling this woman wasn’t a threat because SHE didn’t think she could be her husbands type was wrong. People can find all sorts of people attractive and are very very rarely stuck to making eyes at one very specific description of a person and them only.

You seem to be the only one offended by that. Plenty people who have only dated tall men end up falling head over heels for a short king. It’s all relative and physical attributes aren’t a reason to discount this woman as having gained her DH’s attentions. Quite evidently.

SL2924 · 24/10/2025 16:02

Men generally don’t buy jewellery for women if there is not sex involved.

Wowisthisit · 24/10/2025 16:03

MissDoubleU · 24/10/2025 15:59

I was pointing out that HER feeling this woman wasn’t a threat because SHE didn’t think she could be her husbands type was wrong. People can find all sorts of people attractive and are very very rarely stuck to making eyes at one very specific description of a person and them only.

You seem to be the only one offended by that. Plenty people who have only dated tall men end up falling head over heels for a short king. It’s all relative and physical attributes aren’t a reason to discount this woman as having gained her DH’s attentions. Quite evidently.

lol I was responding to you because your post oozed with being offended by her saying that her husbands type was skinny. Along with descriptions of how you are larger and your husband loves every bit of you. I'm not offended, far from it, I was just noting your misplaced offence.

MsDogLady · 24/10/2025 16:04

This is indeed emotional infidelity, @Hubbyissue82. Your H is having an EA with this OW and they are acting like a couple.

The daily proximity, car rides, lunches, private messaging, teasing & in-jokes, nicknames, ‘reminds me of you’ photos, inappropriate gifts, plus his secrecy and trampling agreed boundaries — they have developed a deep intimate connection and reliance that goes beyond platonic friendship. He is enchanted with her and attracted to the ego massages and feelings engendered by her attention. Your colleagues will be aware of their inappropriate relationship.

You’ve spoken to him numerous times to no avail and he is still failing to protect his fidelity. He is in a ‘love fog’ and has created distance from you instead of her, and their connection will continue to escalate. As your marriage and emotional health are at risk, I would absolutely investigate his phone.

@Hubbyissue82, at this point I would go nuclear. He is making an utter mockery of you and your marriage/family. Find your anger and confront him about the intimate gifts and his failure to respect your agreed boundaries. Tell him that this is an EA [have him read Not Just Friends by Dr. Shirley Glass] and you will no longer tolerate being made a fool of. I would send him away while you consider your options. As he is in so deep with OW, the only thing that might shock him awake is feeling the loss of you. I wouldn’t even consider reconciling until he showed complete remorse and changed jobs.

AbsentosaurusRex · 24/10/2025 16:07

UpMyself · 24/10/2025 14:05

'Why on earth would he buy her a necklace - that is beyond weird if it’s not an affair'
I wouldn't think it weird but it's inappropriate.
He's that guy in the office making a fool of himself over a younger woman.

He’s Alan Rickman in Love Actually. Sorry Op x

MissDoubleU · 24/10/2025 16:08

Wowisthisit · 24/10/2025 16:03

lol I was responding to you because your post oozed with being offended by her saying that her husbands type was skinny. Along with descriptions of how you are larger and your husband loves every bit of you. I'm not offended, far from it, I was just noting your misplaced offence.

It wasn’t offence at all, my point was that my husband also has previously only dated slimmer ladies but it doesn’t stop his attraction to me. Someone’s “track record” doesn’t define definitively who they are going to be attracted to. That’s all.

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 16:11

SL2924 · 24/10/2025 16:02

Men generally don’t buy jewellery for women if there is not sex involved.

I can't imagine her going along with that (sex). For some reason. I think I will do as some have said, and look into his cellphone. And hope nothing is in there.

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Hibernatingtilspring · 24/10/2025 16:14

Op to me, the necklace is too personal, because typically it's something you might wear every day, and it reminds you of that person. Necklaces are the sort of gift usually given to a partner. Books, if they are about a person's particular interest, again are personal because it's a 'look how well I know you' type gift.

If it was a case of him passing on a book he'd read that he thought she'd like, or a jokey seashell necklace from a holiday that would be different. These sound like gifts that have been thought about - because he's thinking about her and wanting her to know that.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 24/10/2025 16:17

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 15:12

Does anyone think it would be justified looking through his phone? Or is that inexcusable, no matter what?

Under the circumstances. I would.

You'll get a lot of people telling you its an invasion of privacy tho...

But I think the fact that he is keeping things from you, like the personalised jewellry - a wierd gift for a junior who is his assistant, and art and poetry books - would justify a look so that you will know if your suspicions are justified or not. If they are not then you can feel guilty, but also very relieved.. if they are justified then his privacy matters a lot less if he's a cheater.

Wowisthisit · 24/10/2025 16:17

MissDoubleU · 24/10/2025 16:08

It wasn’t offence at all, my point was that my husband also has previously only dated slimmer ladies but it doesn’t stop his attraction to me. Someone’s “track record” doesn’t define definitively who they are going to be attracted to. That’s all.

No, your original post was rude and full of offence.
'I'm so sick of this rhetoric' and calling her 'highly ignorant' whilst ignoring OPs plight. You just grabbed onto her using the word skinny (even using it in italics!) and ran with it.

HTH
😂

SweetMotherofAbrahamLincoln · 24/10/2025 16:20

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 15:26

Why do so many see the necklace as particularly jarring? I was not too bothered by that... for me it was the "this reminds me of you" and "thought you would like this Thing I saw today" which strikea me as... romantic? Puppy love, even? I feel nauseous thinking of it

I think Love Actually is why many of us are triggered by the necklace. When Emma Thompson realises her husband gave the office slag the necklace, our hearts broke with her, it crosses a line.

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 16:20

Is this discussion on skinny/fat necessary? I meant no harm or offense by it, not to anyone posting here or to Girl for that matter.

OP posts:
Wowisthisit · 24/10/2025 16:25

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 16:20

Is this discussion on skinny/fat necessary? I meant no harm or offense by it, not to anyone posting here or to Girl for that matter.

I know you didn't mean any offence when you said it, which was my point. I get fed up with people taking offence to things that are said and comment as if you meant it in an offensive way and pulling you up on it. It was clear you didn't mean any offence.

AmyDuPlantier · 24/10/2025 16:29

Yes it certainly is.

I know because I had one. It led to the end of my marriage, indirectly, because although it never became anything more, it allowed me to see two things:

  1. that there was a whole other life out there that was possible for me, and
  2. that I wasn’t content with the lack of sex and date nights etc in my marriage, but neither of us still cared enough to make any more effort

The fact that he isn’t really willing to admit to the problem is actually the issue here; he’s prioritising his crush/excitement/lust/fantasy life over your actual marriage.

outerspacepotato · 24/10/2025 16:38

Men don't buy jewelry for their friends. They buy it for girlfriends and wives and it's a reminder of their loved one when they wear it and the occasion it was given on.

And it wasn't just jewelry, it was personalized for her. He went that extra step to make it unique for her.

Her not being his type means nothing. He treats her like his gf. He goes that extra mile for her and shuts you out so he can spend more time with her.

I think it's gone past an EA myself. He's treating his junior colleague as his gf at work and outside of work. He takes her in, he lunches with her, he's in constant contact, he gives her jewelry, of course they know.

It's time for you to decide what you're going to do about it.

Wowisthisit · 24/10/2025 16:42

@outerspacepotato I agree. Choosing to not spend time that he would usually spend with his wife with her. He is giving me the ick and I don't even know him. He is literally conducting what is, at least, an emotional affair and stoking his ego right in front of his wife. Ick ick ick.