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Is this an emotional affair?

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Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 13:49

Long post. Sorry.
Husband and I are around our 40s and have been married for nearly 10 years now. In the past 10 years we have bought our own home, filled it not just with love but with two children and a dog. Which is not to say it has been easy… It has not been, on my end at least, for about a year.
Let me allow you a bit more background: hubby and I share the same workplace, though we are employed there in different positions. I only see him around lunchtime, which we – usually – spend together. About a year ago, our workplace hired someone new. I will refer to her as Girl. Girl is twenty-four and works closely with husband. Exactly how would give too much away, but they often work as a team. Initially, husband didn't like the idea of Girl assisting him in his work, because 1) she is quite a bit younger than we are, which, in our experience, often leads to different attitudes and therefore disagreement, and 2) she is freshly graduated, and, as such, not a very experienced professional.
His opinion of Girl changed rather quickly. I found this positive, as the idea of Girl working alongside him had previously caused some stress. Husband informed me that Girl made a favourable first impression, both on the people he works with and on him. I myself have of course already met Girl. Girl is friendly, creative, gentle. Impassioned about the work she does. I understood immediately how come hubby and Girl got along swimmingly.
Since Girl has started her job at our workplace, I have noticed, a couple of changes have emerged in the relationship between hubby and me. The most evident of them all is that hubby spends a lot of time with Girl. He doesn't say it like this, of course. But I know he works overtime, sometimes multiple days in the week, on projects he undertakes with Girl to innovate. ‘Breathing new life into old ideas’. OK, honey. Then, there is our lunch breaks! We would enjoy these together, before. These moments I look forward to throughout the morning have had to make way more than once for “work stuff”. Code, of course, for “creative brainstorming” with Girl. He never mentions he is doing this work stuff with her; this is what alerted me in the first place. Why does he feel the need to leave out Girl when he tells me he can’t spend his lunch break with me?
I have asked him about this, by the way. I appreciate forthright communication and he has always done the same. His answer was pretty clear: he presumed I knew, since his job is basically a shared position, now, and presumed as well that I did not care. I told him that I don’t, but that I feel a bit strange about his total silence about Girl in this “work stuff”. We had a good, honest conversation about it, I thought, and so I thought that was the end of my paranoiac suspicions about him and Girl. Why was I worried, anyway? Hubby likes his women blonde and skinny. Girl is dark haired and somewhat on the chubby side. NOT his type. He has made (lighthearted) jokes about her figure. So, NO reason to fret. Right?
Some time on from this valuable conversation, Girl and hubby continue to be “work pals”. Since Girl lives closeby, on the mornings he is not the one to bring our kids to school, hubby picks her up in the early morning and they carpool to work together. This decision was not made by us both. One morning, hubby just told me he felt it would be a good thing to do. I asked “why?”. She can drive, after all, she has her own car. He said it just felt like a nice thing to do. OK, honey. So Girl and him do not just spend many lunchbreaks together, but they drive to work together, as well. Again I had a conversation with hubby about his relationship with Girl. I named it for what it was in my eyes, a relationship. I asked him if it didn’t feel strange, to somehow connect so well with a woman more than ten years his (our) junior. At this he seemed mildly ticked off. He expressed that he found it ‘difficult’ that I was suspicious of this work relationship, since he has not always been lucky to have pleasant co-workers; I said I was not suspicious, maybe a bit worried, since so much of his time and thoughts are shared with Girl. Eventually we agreed on a boundary, being that outside of school, he would limit his communication with Girl, as they were certainly crossing into close friendship territory as opposed to close colleague territory.
He agreed. Communication, however, has not ceased. It did for a little while, I think, but I am aware they speak on Facebook and message back and forth. Which in and of itself I find deeply appropriate for a late 30s father and a mid 20s single woman. So… I may or may not have snooped a week or two ago to see just what these messages contain. All in all the entire chat log was innocent. Back and forth about everything and nothing. Something in me, though, reads all of it as two people falling in love? I can’t quite put my finger on it. Mocking teasing, sending one another photo’s of “thing that reminded me of you today while I was shopping!”, juvenile memes I don’t understand but he seems to like. I also found out hubby has bought her a gift on occasion (one time, a set of books; another time, a necklace with the initial of her name). Why does he do this? Why doesn’t he tell me he does this?
Since this I have been living in this weird state of being torn between two roads. I do trust husband. He has never given me any reason to suspect him of infidelity. Out of everyone I know, hubby would be the last I would think is capable of lying, cheating, etc. And yet, on the other road there is the strange reality that we have grown a bit more distant. We are a good couple and good parents to our kids as we have been but I can’t say things haven’t cooled down in certain departments of our relationship. Barely any dates. Sex is… something that happens maybe once a month.
I hope this Bible I wrote paints a somewhat clear picture for you to be able to answer this post's title. Is hubby having an emotional affair? If this goes on, will he cheat? It's a tough spot to be in, I hope some other perspectives or perhaps even experiences from other women will help me recognize just what position I am in. Or, well, what to expect. Ask me any questions if you would like to know more. I am an open book and sort of desperate, I'll admit.
Thank you in advance!

OP posts:
GelatoForMe · 24/10/2025 17:27

TheDisgustingBrothers · 24/10/2025 14:20

You’ll be fine as you’re ’blonde and skinny’ remember? 🙄

Unfortunately blonde and skinny is the cliche women who always suffer infidelity , because short but well formed and with substance, dark hair and passion is awesome

outerspacepotato · 24/10/2025 17:27

You infantilize her. You call her girl, you try to diminish her. You saying she's naive is a part of you trying to do that.

She's a 24 year old woman who you say is absolutely beautiful. Beautiful women are rarely naive about having power over men. What you call fawning is her giving your husband validation that his ego probably loves. She makes him feel good.

Do you not get that people may have a physical type preference but it doesn't completely rule who they're attracted to or fall in love with? He's attracted to more than her looks, which is another sign this might not be just a fling.

Daughterofthesea · 24/10/2025 17:28

With kindness - you sound like quite hard work and are probably pushing him away with your obsessiveness and overbearingness.
Please stop saying ‘hubby’ too 😬 cringe

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 17:30

Daughterofthesea · 24/10/2025 17:28

With kindness - you sound like quite hard work and are probably pushing him away with your obsessiveness and overbearingness.
Please stop saying ‘hubby’ too 😬 cringe

Um. Odd thing to say! I will take it in stride regardless.

OP posts:
JaneEyre40 · 24/10/2025 17:33

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 13:49

Long post. Sorry.
Husband and I are around our 40s and have been married for nearly 10 years now. In the past 10 years we have bought our own home, filled it not just with love but with two children and a dog. Which is not to say it has been easy… It has not been, on my end at least, for about a year.
Let me allow you a bit more background: hubby and I share the same workplace, though we are employed there in different positions. I only see him around lunchtime, which we – usually – spend together. About a year ago, our workplace hired someone new. I will refer to her as Girl. Girl is twenty-four and works closely with husband. Exactly how would give too much away, but they often work as a team. Initially, husband didn't like the idea of Girl assisting him in his work, because 1) she is quite a bit younger than we are, which, in our experience, often leads to different attitudes and therefore disagreement, and 2) she is freshly graduated, and, as such, not a very experienced professional.
His opinion of Girl changed rather quickly. I found this positive, as the idea of Girl working alongside him had previously caused some stress. Husband informed me that Girl made a favourable first impression, both on the people he works with and on him. I myself have of course already met Girl. Girl is friendly, creative, gentle. Impassioned about the work she does. I understood immediately how come hubby and Girl got along swimmingly.
Since Girl has started her job at our workplace, I have noticed, a couple of changes have emerged in the relationship between hubby and me. The most evident of them all is that hubby spends a lot of time with Girl. He doesn't say it like this, of course. But I know he works overtime, sometimes multiple days in the week, on projects he undertakes with Girl to innovate. ‘Breathing new life into old ideas’. OK, honey. Then, there is our lunch breaks! We would enjoy these together, before. These moments I look forward to throughout the morning have had to make way more than once for “work stuff”. Code, of course, for “creative brainstorming” with Girl. He never mentions he is doing this work stuff with her; this is what alerted me in the first place. Why does he feel the need to leave out Girl when he tells me he can’t spend his lunch break with me?
I have asked him about this, by the way. I appreciate forthright communication and he has always done the same. His answer was pretty clear: he presumed I knew, since his job is basically a shared position, now, and presumed as well that I did not care. I told him that I don’t, but that I feel a bit strange about his total silence about Girl in this “work stuff”. We had a good, honest conversation about it, I thought, and so I thought that was the end of my paranoiac suspicions about him and Girl. Why was I worried, anyway? Hubby likes his women blonde and skinny. Girl is dark haired and somewhat on the chubby side. NOT his type. He has made (lighthearted) jokes about her figure. So, NO reason to fret. Right?
Some time on from this valuable conversation, Girl and hubby continue to be “work pals”. Since Girl lives closeby, on the mornings he is not the one to bring our kids to school, hubby picks her up in the early morning and they carpool to work together. This decision was not made by us both. One morning, hubby just told me he felt it would be a good thing to do. I asked “why?”. She can drive, after all, she has her own car. He said it just felt like a nice thing to do. OK, honey. So Girl and him do not just spend many lunchbreaks together, but they drive to work together, as well. Again I had a conversation with hubby about his relationship with Girl. I named it for what it was in my eyes, a relationship. I asked him if it didn’t feel strange, to somehow connect so well with a woman more than ten years his (our) junior. At this he seemed mildly ticked off. He expressed that he found it ‘difficult’ that I was suspicious of this work relationship, since he has not always been lucky to have pleasant co-workers; I said I was not suspicious, maybe a bit worried, since so much of his time and thoughts are shared with Girl. Eventually we agreed on a boundary, being that outside of school, he would limit his communication with Girl, as they were certainly crossing into close friendship territory as opposed to close colleague territory.
He agreed. Communication, however, has not ceased. It did for a little while, I think, but I am aware they speak on Facebook and message back and forth. Which in and of itself I find deeply appropriate for a late 30s father and a mid 20s single woman. So… I may or may not have snooped a week or two ago to see just what these messages contain. All in all the entire chat log was innocent. Back and forth about everything and nothing. Something in me, though, reads all of it as two people falling in love? I can’t quite put my finger on it. Mocking teasing, sending one another photo’s of “thing that reminded me of you today while I was shopping!”, juvenile memes I don’t understand but he seems to like. I also found out hubby has bought her a gift on occasion (one time, a set of books; another time, a necklace with the initial of her name). Why does he do this? Why doesn’t he tell me he does this?
Since this I have been living in this weird state of being torn between two roads. I do trust husband. He has never given me any reason to suspect him of infidelity. Out of everyone I know, hubby would be the last I would think is capable of lying, cheating, etc. And yet, on the other road there is the strange reality that we have grown a bit more distant. We are a good couple and good parents to our kids as we have been but I can’t say things haven’t cooled down in certain departments of our relationship. Barely any dates. Sex is… something that happens maybe once a month.
I hope this Bible I wrote paints a somewhat clear picture for you to be able to answer this post's title. Is hubby having an emotional affair? If this goes on, will he cheat? It's a tough spot to be in, I hope some other perspectives or perhaps even experiences from other women will help me recognize just what position I am in. Or, well, what to expect. Ask me any questions if you would like to know more. I am an open book and sort of desperate, I'll admit.
Thank you in advance!

The necklace was the nail in the coffin for me....what the hell? Sooo inappropriate.

reversingdumptruckwithnotyreson · 24/10/2025 17:33

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 15:12

Does anyone think it would be justified looking through his phone? Or is that inexcusable, no matter what?

Absolutely not, if you have solid reasons to be suspicious (and you do!!) you’re entirely right in going through his phone. Check for hidden apps and shared notes on the notes app too.

Personally, I think he’s already left you and he just doesn’t have the balls to make it official and be a decent person. Ditching you for lunch with her and giving her jewellery is completely, absolutely out of line.

shhblackbag · 24/10/2025 17:34

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 17:16

I genuinely think she is either naive no matter his intentions, or sees him as a father figure of sorts, from the messages I read between them... all gratitude and fawning over how much he has taught her. I can't see a homewrecker in her. Maybe I have too much faith in people maybe not.

Well, that's because whatever happens he'll be the homewrecker. He's the married dude buying a young woman gifts. You're kidding yourself saying she's the one fawning, at least he sounds like he's encouraging it. No person does anything without a payoff. His is probably ego strokes. At least.

reversingdumptruckwithnotyreson · 24/10/2025 17:35

Daughterofthesea · 24/10/2025 17:28

With kindness - you sound like quite hard work and are probably pushing him away with your obsessiveness and overbearingness.
Please stop saying ‘hubby’ too 😬 cringe

With kindness, it’s far more cringe to attack someone who is obviously going through something very upsetting.

SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 24/10/2025 17:38

It’s an affair.

He’s buying her gifts.

Going out of his way to spend more time with her e.g. lunches and travelling to work together.

How very teenage.

Call a spade a spade to his face, op.

He’s being very unreasonable. It’s embarrassing. So sorry.

middleagebumpyroad · 24/10/2025 17:39

He brought her a very personal gift, the necklace, a romantic gift really. It’s turned physically I am affraid.

GelatoForMe · 24/10/2025 17:40

Wowisthisit · 24/10/2025 15:34

She was just talking about her husbands usual 'type' and that this person was not his usual type. His type could have just as easily been dark haired larger ladies and this woman is a skinny blonde. Stop projecting your body image on things that don't need it. At no point as she said anything derogatory about her weight, she just said it was different to his usual type!
I am sure if OP was black and this lady was white then she would say that he has never dated white ladies before! bloody hell

Edited

No, it is not bloody hell
Skinny and blonde are often losers in such games and should keep their types private if they don't want other types to speak of themselves

GelatoForMe · 24/10/2025 17:42

Only comes to show that the superior blonde and skinny is a nasty stereotype which even the transgenders mock these days, so throwing it around in opposition to big and brunette is nasty also

reversingdumptruckwithnotyreson · 24/10/2025 17:44

NestaArcheron · 24/10/2025 17:05

The way you speak about her is actually vile - you assumed she was inexperienced due to her being younger than you, refer to her as “girl”, even though she is your equal as a colleague - and then go as far as to say she isn’t his type because she’s dark haired and chubby whereas you’re blonde and skinny - so how could he like her?! Your husband has feelings for this woman. That is not her fault. Direct your anger toward your husband, rather than the young woman whom you’ve had it in for since the second she started at your workplace.

Why are you going so hard defending a woman who happily goes along with this nonsense from a married coworker?

He’s trash, so is she. OP made a remark about them being different types, whatever - that’s the least concerning bit on this whole situation.

GelatoForMe · 24/10/2025 17:45

MissDoubleU · 24/10/2025 15:25

Also just to throw fuel on the fire I am an overweight lady. Fat. Big ass. There, I said it. Am I the first fat woman my DH has been with? Yes, I think so. Does he absolutely love every single inch of me? Bet your skinny ass does.

So sick of this rhetoric “he only dated skinny girls so he can’t actually be attracted to her.” It doesn’t fly and it isn’t actually how attraction works. So he could never fancy a red head? Would you also say about a Black lady, or an Asian lady, that he couldn’t possibly like her, because “he’s only dated white girls in the past” ?

I mean, you might but it would be highly ignorant. Much like your skinny comment. Attraction is more than physical and much, much more than basic stereotypes.

Me also. Have enlarged ankles, wear men's clothes, am 50 and still all I need to do is enter a room full with men. The saving grace is I am happily married with a man who's rather goes under bus - his words rather than losing me to another man. Talking of stereotypes

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 17:50

SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 24/10/2025 17:38

It’s an affair.

He’s buying her gifts.

Going out of his way to spend more time with her e.g. lunches and travelling to work together.

How very teenage.

Call a spade a spade to his face, op.

He’s being very unreasonable. It’s embarrassing. So sorry.

Teenage is the word I've been looking for. I don't even remember us having that sort of blushy phase. Embarrassing indeed.

OP posts:
Mrspatmoresapprentice · 24/10/2025 17:56

GelatoForMe · 24/10/2025 17:40

No, it is not bloody hell
Skinny and blonde are often losers in such games and should keep their types private if they don't want other types to speak of themselves

“Losers in such games”? What on earth are you on about? Men don’t chose to cheat because their wives are, or indeed, are not “skinny and blonde”. They do it because they are selfish, entitled tossers, ruled by their ego, desperate for someone else to make them feel like “the man” which sadly, they are not. The wife’s appearance has nothing to do with it.

Moveoverdarlin · 24/10/2025 17:57

I think you are being incredibly naive OP. He’s bought her a necklace with her initial on?? Platonic male / female colleagues don’t do that! Especially when one is married.

I will bet my house on the fact they’re shagging. The fact that she doesn’t seem the home wrecking type means nothing. The age gap means nothing. She will love the fact he’s older, and trust me he will ADORE the fact she’s 24 with a chubby figure. Chubby at 44 looks very different to chubby at 24!!

reversingdumptruckwithnotyreson · 24/10/2025 17:59

@Hubbyissue82 for what it’s worth I think you unintentionally touched a nerve and some serious insecurities with a lot of women here. I’m the type you described the OW to be and I took no offence in your comment because it’s pretty clear what you meant.

Laveritas · 24/10/2025 18:00

Sounds like he’s head over heels in love..just not with you.

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 24/10/2025 18:04

I think he's getting sucked in. He sounds as though he's flattered by her attention and he's trying bigger and bigger gestures to get and keep that attention. I wouldn't necessarily say it had crossed into affair territory because I would suspect that he would genuinely be horrified to hear it suggested, but he's behaving in a way that he really shouldn't be and giving off vibes that he shouldn't be.

I think if you, or anyone else, confronted him with how bad this all looks he would be hurt, appalled that you (or anyone) could take this all so MUCH the wrong way, he's innocent, just being friendly etc etc. It's because he's desperate to justify it to himself as much as anyone.

Give it one drunken party and her being willing and he absolutely would cross the line. But I would take almost any bets that she's not interested in him like that and he is going to make a gigantic fool of himself.

wheresmymojo · 24/10/2025 18:07

At first I thought perhaps not an EA as when I was in my early 20’s I had a good relationship with a few guys I worked with closely and they would often give me lifts to and from the office and we’d sometimes have lunch together but there was genuinely nothing in it - they’d chat to me about their wives and children, etc.

However I changed my mind with the connection outside of working hours and the gifts. I think these things on top really do push it towards EA kind of territory.

If it’s not a true EA it’s certainly heading in that direction and your DH should he taking measures to put it back on a more appropriate footing for the sake of his marriage.

Zoec1975 · 24/10/2025 18:10

I’m sorry.it sounds more than a work friendship

Kidsgotothatschool · 24/10/2025 18:14

Wow @Hubbyissue82 you (unwittingly) really triggered some posters! Ignore those them, it’s quite obvious what you were trying to say.

I’m really sorry but this is affair territory. You need to dig deeper and prepare yourself for what you might find out. And don’t put her down as uninterested or the type, affairs are addictive and many people are susceptible with the right set of circumstances.

I teach and tbh I’d be fuming if my husband was behaving like this around a work colleague, other staff will be aware, it’s always obvious. It’s so utterly disrespectful. Especially buying gifts.

I am sorry it is a horrible feeling.

KathyDuck · 24/10/2025 18:17

Yep. Guess she’s his TA? And he’s the teacher? Tongues will be wagging at the school and he’s being a prick.

GreenCandleWax · 24/10/2025 18:20

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 15:13

Between caring for 2 kids and some other private stuff going on I haven't had the courage. And sort of figured he would tell me on his own time. He hasn't though. Would it be a good idea to ask? Or wait until he shares it with me himself?

Neither! You need to get tough and lay the law down. Tell him it is entirely inappropriate for him to be giving her jewelry or other personal presents, and it is unacceptable.
See how he reacts. If you are lucky, he may see that he has been a fool and neglected his marriage. Remind him that he is married to you, and you expect his full attention on his relationship with you.
I am sorry OP but you need to act. This won't resolve itself. Even if she dumped him, you would still have the issue of the judgements and choices he has made to the detriment of your relationship. You need to nip this in the bud before it goes further.
Thinking of you.

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