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Is this an emotional affair?

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Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 13:49

Long post. Sorry.
Husband and I are around our 40s and have been married for nearly 10 years now. In the past 10 years we have bought our own home, filled it not just with love but with two children and a dog. Which is not to say it has been easy… It has not been, on my end at least, for about a year.
Let me allow you a bit more background: hubby and I share the same workplace, though we are employed there in different positions. I only see him around lunchtime, which we – usually – spend together. About a year ago, our workplace hired someone new. I will refer to her as Girl. Girl is twenty-four and works closely with husband. Exactly how would give too much away, but they often work as a team. Initially, husband didn't like the idea of Girl assisting him in his work, because 1) she is quite a bit younger than we are, which, in our experience, often leads to different attitudes and therefore disagreement, and 2) she is freshly graduated, and, as such, not a very experienced professional.
His opinion of Girl changed rather quickly. I found this positive, as the idea of Girl working alongside him had previously caused some stress. Husband informed me that Girl made a favourable first impression, both on the people he works with and on him. I myself have of course already met Girl. Girl is friendly, creative, gentle. Impassioned about the work she does. I understood immediately how come hubby and Girl got along swimmingly.
Since Girl has started her job at our workplace, I have noticed, a couple of changes have emerged in the relationship between hubby and me. The most evident of them all is that hubby spends a lot of time with Girl. He doesn't say it like this, of course. But I know he works overtime, sometimes multiple days in the week, on projects he undertakes with Girl to innovate. ‘Breathing new life into old ideas’. OK, honey. Then, there is our lunch breaks! We would enjoy these together, before. These moments I look forward to throughout the morning have had to make way more than once for “work stuff”. Code, of course, for “creative brainstorming” with Girl. He never mentions he is doing this work stuff with her; this is what alerted me in the first place. Why does he feel the need to leave out Girl when he tells me he can’t spend his lunch break with me?
I have asked him about this, by the way. I appreciate forthright communication and he has always done the same. His answer was pretty clear: he presumed I knew, since his job is basically a shared position, now, and presumed as well that I did not care. I told him that I don’t, but that I feel a bit strange about his total silence about Girl in this “work stuff”. We had a good, honest conversation about it, I thought, and so I thought that was the end of my paranoiac suspicions about him and Girl. Why was I worried, anyway? Hubby likes his women blonde and skinny. Girl is dark haired and somewhat on the chubby side. NOT his type. He has made (lighthearted) jokes about her figure. So, NO reason to fret. Right?
Some time on from this valuable conversation, Girl and hubby continue to be “work pals”. Since Girl lives closeby, on the mornings he is not the one to bring our kids to school, hubby picks her up in the early morning and they carpool to work together. This decision was not made by us both. One morning, hubby just told me he felt it would be a good thing to do. I asked “why?”. She can drive, after all, she has her own car. He said it just felt like a nice thing to do. OK, honey. So Girl and him do not just spend many lunchbreaks together, but they drive to work together, as well. Again I had a conversation with hubby about his relationship with Girl. I named it for what it was in my eyes, a relationship. I asked him if it didn’t feel strange, to somehow connect so well with a woman more than ten years his (our) junior. At this he seemed mildly ticked off. He expressed that he found it ‘difficult’ that I was suspicious of this work relationship, since he has not always been lucky to have pleasant co-workers; I said I was not suspicious, maybe a bit worried, since so much of his time and thoughts are shared with Girl. Eventually we agreed on a boundary, being that outside of school, he would limit his communication with Girl, as they were certainly crossing into close friendship territory as opposed to close colleague territory.
He agreed. Communication, however, has not ceased. It did for a little while, I think, but I am aware they speak on Facebook and message back and forth. Which in and of itself I find deeply appropriate for a late 30s father and a mid 20s single woman. So… I may or may not have snooped a week or two ago to see just what these messages contain. All in all the entire chat log was innocent. Back and forth about everything and nothing. Something in me, though, reads all of it as two people falling in love? I can’t quite put my finger on it. Mocking teasing, sending one another photo’s of “thing that reminded me of you today while I was shopping!”, juvenile memes I don’t understand but he seems to like. I also found out hubby has bought her a gift on occasion (one time, a set of books; another time, a necklace with the initial of her name). Why does he do this? Why doesn’t he tell me he does this?
Since this I have been living in this weird state of being torn between two roads. I do trust husband. He has never given me any reason to suspect him of infidelity. Out of everyone I know, hubby would be the last I would think is capable of lying, cheating, etc. And yet, on the other road there is the strange reality that we have grown a bit more distant. We are a good couple and good parents to our kids as we have been but I can’t say things haven’t cooled down in certain departments of our relationship. Barely any dates. Sex is… something that happens maybe once a month.
I hope this Bible I wrote paints a somewhat clear picture for you to be able to answer this post's title. Is hubby having an emotional affair? If this goes on, will he cheat? It's a tough spot to be in, I hope some other perspectives or perhaps even experiences from other women will help me recognize just what position I am in. Or, well, what to expect. Ask me any questions if you would like to know more. I am an open book and sort of desperate, I'll admit.
Thank you in advance!

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LifeSurvior · 24/10/2025 14:32

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 14:30

Dangit. I thought there were paragraphs. Guess not. I apologize!

It was a tad hard to read OP😂
Never mind, hope you are okay and keep posting x

Mizztikle · 24/10/2025 14:34

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 14:32

I did not mean anything by thay. Just that she is well removed from his physical type (at least that I know of). All of his girlfriends prior to marriage looked somewhat like me.

Its always the ones they say aren't their type, don't believe that BS.

LifeSurvior · 24/10/2025 14:35

I thought that as well OP about the not my type.
It's an age old line to make you less suspicious.

daydi · 24/10/2025 14:38

I’m sorry this is happening OP. It does sound like an EA. The gift buying is what really tipped it over for me. I am sorry you are going through this but please remember your strengths and what you bring to life! It can be easy to feel less than in this situations but it’s him, not you.

MyAcornWood · 24/10/2025 14:39

I have to admit, I read half then skimmed the rest, it’s rather a saga op! Ultimately though, yes, it very much sounds like an emotional affair. He’d rather be spending his spare time with her and speaking with her than with you, he’s buying her gifts, he’s overcompensating about how she’s not his type (wouldn’t have even entered his mind if it was truly platonic and the fact you have a gut feeling about their communications cannot be overlooked. He’s possibly already too far gone as he’s already ignored your request (and his apparent agreement to that!) to stop communicating with her outside of work.

MoominMai · 24/10/2025 14:42

SpringSummerAutumn · 24/10/2025 14:17

For heaven's sake OP. She is a 24 year old woman. She isn't a " Girl". How patronising.
But yes unfortunately it sounds like an emotional affair.

Agreed.

He has made (lighthearted) jokes about her figure.
Not sure how one does this btw. I’m chubby also and wouldn’t like to think that a man I worked with who I thought was decent does this with his wife 😐. Like why is he even referencing it?

Sevenamcoffee · 24/10/2025 14:50

MoominMai · 24/10/2025 14:42

Agreed.

He has made (lighthearted) jokes about her figure.
Not sure how one does this btw. I’m chubby also and wouldn’t like to think that a man I worked with who I thought was decent does this with his wife 😐. Like why is he even referencing it?

Edited

It’s quite common when affairs are starting for the cheater to slag off the affair partner in some way to their wife/husband. It’s a deflection tactic.

Im really sorry OP if this isn’t a full blown affair already it certainly has all the hallmarks of heading that way.

Catwoman8 · 24/10/2025 14:50

It's giving Love Actually vibes..the necklace is a step too far.

The constant messaging, buying gifts, giving lifts when not needed, pretending she isnt "his type", it is too much. Sometimes its the ones we least expect to cheat, he is having an emotional affair and in danger of it progressing into a full on affair..

I think you need to set some strict boundaries, the contact needs to stop unless its about work, no more buying gifts etc.

blacksax · 24/10/2025 14:51

She's 24. She's not a girl, she's a woman.

hth

KoalaBlue1 · 24/10/2025 14:57

Lost me at light hearted remarks about her figure.

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 14:58

blacksax · 24/10/2025 14:51

She's 24. She's not a girl, she's a woman.

hth

She looks and behaves very much more like a Girl than a Grown Woman. I don't mean it in a disparaging way, her character is very youthful and vibrant. As with her fashion. I do know she is grown.

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Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 14:59

KoalaBlue1 · 24/10/2025 14:57

Lost me at light hearted remarks about her figure.

Oh, God. We were talking about something that had happened at work with the people my husband works with. One of them had made a remark about her curves and hubby made a joke about it. It was nothing demeaning.

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MidnightMusing5 · 24/10/2025 14:59

I’ve heard teachers often cheat. I wouldn’t be happy about the gifts (unless secret Santa etc)

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 15:01

MidnightMusing5 · 24/10/2025 14:59

I’ve heard teachers often cheat. I wouldn’t be happy about the gifts (unless secret Santa etc)

Ah. Just realized I gave the job away. Cat is out of the bag, I guess. Oops.

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wizzywig · 24/10/2025 15:04

Ask a colleague (infront of him) if they would give a personalised necklace as a gift to a work colleague of fhe opposite sex? Did your husband tell you about it or did you find out.

wizzywig · 24/10/2025 15:05

Oh they are teachers? Then yeah definitely emotional affair

Chiefangel · 24/10/2025 15:05

If you both work at the same place, why aren’t you travelling into work together? If you can’t do that, tell him you will give ‘girl’ a lift into work from now on.
He’s obvious head over heels and playing you for a fool. Sorry.

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 15:07

wizzywig · 24/10/2025 15:04

Ask a colleague (infront of him) if they would give a personalised necklace as a gift to a work colleague of fhe opposite sex? Did your husband tell you about it or did you find out.

I found out through the Facebook chat log as Girl sent him a picture of both gifts, thanking him for them. He did not tell me he bought them.
Another poster asked if the books were tailored to her tastes, and yes, the books were largely art and poetry books. She is very much an artsy person.

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FlibbertyGibbitt · 24/10/2025 15:08

Join them for lunch every single time. No excuses.

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 15:09

Chiefangel · 24/10/2025 15:05

If you both work at the same place, why aren’t you travelling into work together? If you can’t do that, tell him you will give ‘girl’ a lift into work from now on.
He’s obvious head over heels and playing you for a fool. Sorry.

Different work hours. My schedule is a bit different as my role at our workplace is not like his. Depending on our schedule of the day we take the kids to school. Often times I am the one doing so because my workday starts later than his.

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RealEagle · 24/10/2025 15:11

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 15:07

I found out through the Facebook chat log as Girl sent him a picture of both gifts, thanking him for them. He did not tell me he bought them.
Another poster asked if the books were tailored to her tastes, and yes, the books were largely art and poetry books. She is very much an artsy person.

Have you not asked him about them?

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 15:12

Does anyone think it would be justified looking through his phone? Or is that inexcusable, no matter what?

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MissDoubleU · 24/10/2025 15:12

He bought her jewellery. When did he last buy you a piece of personal jewellery Op?

Inappropriate and 100% a work place affair. Commenting on her figure in any context is not okay for a workplace, regardless of if someone else mentioned her “curves” first. He is behaving incredibly unprofessionally for a start. He doesn’t care about your feelings or whatever boundaries you try to set. He has blatantly lied and hidden the extent of their relationship. He has zero respect for you.

Have some respect for yourself and walk away.

daydi · 24/10/2025 15:13

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 15:12

Does anyone think it would be justified looking through his phone? Or is that inexcusable, no matter what?

I say yes definitely do! However I may be in the minority..it can swing either way on here Grin

ReadingandEating · 24/10/2025 15:13

So sorry you’re going through this I can’t believe how foolish these men are, so many threads like this!
Most of what you said I could justify but as a pp said men just don’t buy jewellery for women they aren’t romantically interested in - certainly not a necklace with her name.
Good luck, it will be difficult no matter what happens I imagine with you all working in the same school.

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