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Is this an emotional affair?

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Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 13:49

Long post. Sorry.
Husband and I are around our 40s and have been married for nearly 10 years now. In the past 10 years we have bought our own home, filled it not just with love but with two children and a dog. Which is not to say it has been easy… It has not been, on my end at least, for about a year.
Let me allow you a bit more background: hubby and I share the same workplace, though we are employed there in different positions. I only see him around lunchtime, which we – usually – spend together. About a year ago, our workplace hired someone new. I will refer to her as Girl. Girl is twenty-four and works closely with husband. Exactly how would give too much away, but they often work as a team. Initially, husband didn't like the idea of Girl assisting him in his work, because 1) she is quite a bit younger than we are, which, in our experience, often leads to different attitudes and therefore disagreement, and 2) she is freshly graduated, and, as such, not a very experienced professional.
His opinion of Girl changed rather quickly. I found this positive, as the idea of Girl working alongside him had previously caused some stress. Husband informed me that Girl made a favourable first impression, both on the people he works with and on him. I myself have of course already met Girl. Girl is friendly, creative, gentle. Impassioned about the work she does. I understood immediately how come hubby and Girl got along swimmingly.
Since Girl has started her job at our workplace, I have noticed, a couple of changes have emerged in the relationship between hubby and me. The most evident of them all is that hubby spends a lot of time with Girl. He doesn't say it like this, of course. But I know he works overtime, sometimes multiple days in the week, on projects he undertakes with Girl to innovate. ‘Breathing new life into old ideas’. OK, honey. Then, there is our lunch breaks! We would enjoy these together, before. These moments I look forward to throughout the morning have had to make way more than once for “work stuff”. Code, of course, for “creative brainstorming” with Girl. He never mentions he is doing this work stuff with her; this is what alerted me in the first place. Why does he feel the need to leave out Girl when he tells me he can’t spend his lunch break with me?
I have asked him about this, by the way. I appreciate forthright communication and he has always done the same. His answer was pretty clear: he presumed I knew, since his job is basically a shared position, now, and presumed as well that I did not care. I told him that I don’t, but that I feel a bit strange about his total silence about Girl in this “work stuff”. We had a good, honest conversation about it, I thought, and so I thought that was the end of my paranoiac suspicions about him and Girl. Why was I worried, anyway? Hubby likes his women blonde and skinny. Girl is dark haired and somewhat on the chubby side. NOT his type. He has made (lighthearted) jokes about her figure. So, NO reason to fret. Right?
Some time on from this valuable conversation, Girl and hubby continue to be “work pals”. Since Girl lives closeby, on the mornings he is not the one to bring our kids to school, hubby picks her up in the early morning and they carpool to work together. This decision was not made by us both. One morning, hubby just told me he felt it would be a good thing to do. I asked “why?”. She can drive, after all, she has her own car. He said it just felt like a nice thing to do. OK, honey. So Girl and him do not just spend many lunchbreaks together, but they drive to work together, as well. Again I had a conversation with hubby about his relationship with Girl. I named it for what it was in my eyes, a relationship. I asked him if it didn’t feel strange, to somehow connect so well with a woman more than ten years his (our) junior. At this he seemed mildly ticked off. He expressed that he found it ‘difficult’ that I was suspicious of this work relationship, since he has not always been lucky to have pleasant co-workers; I said I was not suspicious, maybe a bit worried, since so much of his time and thoughts are shared with Girl. Eventually we agreed on a boundary, being that outside of school, he would limit his communication with Girl, as they were certainly crossing into close friendship territory as opposed to close colleague territory.
He agreed. Communication, however, has not ceased. It did for a little while, I think, but I am aware they speak on Facebook and message back and forth. Which in and of itself I find deeply appropriate for a late 30s father and a mid 20s single woman. So… I may or may not have snooped a week or two ago to see just what these messages contain. All in all the entire chat log was innocent. Back and forth about everything and nothing. Something in me, though, reads all of it as two people falling in love? I can’t quite put my finger on it. Mocking teasing, sending one another photo’s of “thing that reminded me of you today while I was shopping!”, juvenile memes I don’t understand but he seems to like. I also found out hubby has bought her a gift on occasion (one time, a set of books; another time, a necklace with the initial of her name). Why does he do this? Why doesn’t he tell me he does this?
Since this I have been living in this weird state of being torn between two roads. I do trust husband. He has never given me any reason to suspect him of infidelity. Out of everyone I know, hubby would be the last I would think is capable of lying, cheating, etc. And yet, on the other road there is the strange reality that we have grown a bit more distant. We are a good couple and good parents to our kids as we have been but I can’t say things haven’t cooled down in certain departments of our relationship. Barely any dates. Sex is… something that happens maybe once a month.
I hope this Bible I wrote paints a somewhat clear picture for you to be able to answer this post's title. Is hubby having an emotional affair? If this goes on, will he cheat? It's a tough spot to be in, I hope some other perspectives or perhaps even experiences from other women will help me recognize just what position I am in. Or, well, what to expect. Ask me any questions if you would like to know more. I am an open book and sort of desperate, I'll admit.
Thank you in advance!

OP posts:
MissDoubleU · 24/10/2025 15:13

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 15:12

Does anyone think it would be justified looking through his phone? Or is that inexcusable, no matter what?

“One of our colleagues mentioned “girl” was wearing a necklace she said was gifted by you. You didn’t tell me you were purchasing her gifts now. Do you have an explanation?”

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 15:13

RealEagle · 24/10/2025 15:11

Have you not asked him about them?

Between caring for 2 kids and some other private stuff going on I haven't had the courage. And sort of figured he would tell me on his own time. He hasn't though. Would it be a good idea to ask? Or wait until he shares it with me himself?

OP posts:
MissDoubleU · 24/10/2025 15:16

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 15:13

Between caring for 2 kids and some other private stuff going on I haven't had the courage. And sort of figured he would tell me on his own time. He hasn't though. Would it be a good idea to ask? Or wait until he shares it with me himself?

He hasn’t shared it with you yet. Why don’t assume he will? He knows you won’t like it. As long as you don’t confront him he gets to have his cake and eat it too.

RealEagle · 24/10/2025 15:17

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 15:13

Between caring for 2 kids and some other private stuff going on I haven't had the courage. And sort of figured he would tell me on his own time. He hasn't though. Would it be a good idea to ask? Or wait until he shares it with me himself?

He is not going to share that info .

Hanschristiananderson · 24/10/2025 15:18

MoominMai · 24/10/2025 14:42

Agreed.

He has made (lighthearted) jokes about her figure.
Not sure how one does this btw. I’m chubby also and wouldn’t like to think that a man I worked with who I thought was decent does this with his wife 😐. Like why is he even referencing it?

Edited

I thought this too. What a horrible thing to do to joke about a female colleagues weight to his wife! So he’s interested in someone much younger who is dark haired and not ‘skinny’. God forbid.

If he’s not already having an affair with her he soon will be. I don’t know what you can do about this though. He works closely with her and the feelings will continue to escalate regardless of what you say to him. All you can do is try to get him to talk honestly to you.

JoemarIerseyes · 24/10/2025 15:18

Get your ducks in a row Yada Yada

UpMyself · 24/10/2025 15:18

Is there a colleague you trust who could tell him he's crossing boundaries, @Hubbyissue82 ?

Hanschristiananderson · 24/10/2025 15:20

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 15:12

Does anyone think it would be justified looking through his phone? Or is that inexcusable, no matter what?

I would.

CelerySticker · 24/10/2025 15:20

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 15:12

Does anyone think it would be justified looking through his phone? Or is that inexcusable, no matter what?

I am sure you will get lots of "no if you don't trust him the relationship is over" etc. but if I were in your shoes I absolutely would snoop on his phone.

My DH was someone I trusted completely until he broke that trust by having an EA (at the least - very possibly physical) with a work colleague. I knew in my gut it was happening but had no hard evidence. When I confronted him he gaslit me and made me feel paranoid and stupid. My confronting him served as a warning that I knew something was up and he learned to hide it all better.

My advice would be to yes snoop and gather as much info as possible before any kind of confrontation. Hopefully @Thewookiemustgo will be along to give you some advice - her posts are the most helpful I have ever read on EAs and full blown affairs.

Zempy · 24/10/2025 15:21

Your husband is buying another woman jewellery.

I would tell him to move jobs or we would be over.

Illbefinejustbloodyfine · 24/10/2025 15:22

mixedcereal · 24/10/2025 14:02

I wouldn’t have said any of this was crossing a boundary until the bit about the necklace. Why on earth would he buy her a necklace - that is beyond weird if it’s not an affair

I had exactly the sane thoughts. Before the necklace (and books, really) i thought ge could be being naive maybe, or enjoying the attention. But the gifts cross the line imo.

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 15:22

UpMyself · 24/10/2025 15:18

Is there a colleague you trust who could tell him he's crossing boundaries, @Hubbyissue82 ?

I think there are a couple I trust. Some other teachers I have a good connection with and would probably address this with him in a discrete fashion. But I do fear he'll know I was the source since we have had numerous conversations on proper boundaries with her. And I think he may be offended I go around telling other people about our marriage.

OP posts:
MoominMai · 24/10/2025 15:25

UpMyself · 24/10/2025 15:18

Is there a colleague you trust who could tell him he's crossing boundaries, @Hubbyissue82 ?

If OP has to resort to getting a third party to intervene in this, I’d say it’s already dead in the water 🤷🏻‍♀️

MissDoubleU · 24/10/2025 15:25

Also just to throw fuel on the fire I am an overweight lady. Fat. Big ass. There, I said it. Am I the first fat woman my DH has been with? Yes, I think so. Does he absolutely love every single inch of me? Bet your skinny ass does.

So sick of this rhetoric “he only dated skinny girls so he can’t actually be attracted to her.” It doesn’t fly and it isn’t actually how attraction works. So he could never fancy a red head? Would you also say about a Black lady, or an Asian lady, that he couldn’t possibly like her, because “he’s only dated white girls in the past” ?

I mean, you might but it would be highly ignorant. Much like your skinny comment. Attraction is more than physical and much, much more than basic stereotypes.

crazeekat · 24/10/2025 15:25

the necklace needs more explaining. From him.
I work in the nhs. It does make u pretty close to people, my colleagues all know some thing about me they probably shouldn’t, we are very open, love a good laugh speak outside of shifts and do things together with kids etc. I have a few very close friendships from work. So I get the lunch thing. I don’t think it’s weird to have lunch, txt etc. my husband works in a female led workplace. He gets spoilt from some of the girls, he has had them in my home for lunch, private messages them etc. it is purely platonic. I can read his phone anytime and I have to admit snooping occasionally in the past. if he had bought one of them a necklace personalised and not asked me and hid it from me I would be well pissed. It is out of order x

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 15:26

Illbefinejustbloodyfine · 24/10/2025 15:22

I had exactly the sane thoughts. Before the necklace (and books, really) i thought ge could be being naive maybe, or enjoying the attention. But the gifts cross the line imo.

Why do so many see the necklace as particularly jarring? I was not too bothered by that... for me it was the "this reminds me of you" and "thought you would like this Thing I saw today" which strikea me as... romantic? Puppy love, even? I feel nauseous thinking of it

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Snorlaxo · 24/10/2025 15:28

Yes.

He’s keeping secrets from you which is never good for a marriage. I suspect like many men he considers cheating to be physical so doesn’t see his apparent infatuation as anything negative but a person who creates distance between you isn’t an ally of your marriage.

Wowisthisit · 24/10/2025 15:30

So sorry OP it does seem like your husband is having some sort of affair. They are both enjoying the thrill. I'd imagine he likes having someone young chasing him. What a vile man. You all work together and he is carrying on like this in front of all your colleagues too! Way to humiliate your wife and show everyone how much you don't value your marriage.
Check his phone, he will just minimalize what he has been doing and the state of their 'relationship'

Get your ducks in a row and tell him to get lost. If this is all it takes to turn his head, in both of your work place, then this shows exactly the type of 'man' he is (a shitty one)
When someone shows you who they are, believe them.
He will come out with all sorts of bollocks about not getting enough time or attention from you. Or that its hard at home with the kids etc.
This is a choice. A person can choose to put their energy and time into their wives and families and make that better or they can get distracted by people and try to pass it off as harmless.
Do not allow him to gaslight you.
Who the fuck buys their work colleague a personalised necklace!

ShiftingSand · 24/10/2025 15:31

TwistedWonder · 24/10/2025 14:03

Yes it is an EA right now with the potential to escalate to a full blown affair.
He’s prioritising her over you - these stupid stupid men, it’s always a woman a decade or more their junior. They are as predictable as fuck

This. Agree that men can be very stupid in these situations. Perhaps he naively thinks its not going to lead to anything 🙄

Wowisthisit · 24/10/2025 15:34

MissDoubleU · 24/10/2025 15:25

Also just to throw fuel on the fire I am an overweight lady. Fat. Big ass. There, I said it. Am I the first fat woman my DH has been with? Yes, I think so. Does he absolutely love every single inch of me? Bet your skinny ass does.

So sick of this rhetoric “he only dated skinny girls so he can’t actually be attracted to her.” It doesn’t fly and it isn’t actually how attraction works. So he could never fancy a red head? Would you also say about a Black lady, or an Asian lady, that he couldn’t possibly like her, because “he’s only dated white girls in the past” ?

I mean, you might but it would be highly ignorant. Much like your skinny comment. Attraction is more than physical and much, much more than basic stereotypes.

She was just talking about her husbands usual 'type' and that this person was not his usual type. His type could have just as easily been dark haired larger ladies and this woman is a skinny blonde. Stop projecting your body image on things that don't need it. At no point as she said anything derogatory about her weight, she just said it was different to his usual type!
I am sure if OP was black and this lady was white then she would say that he has never dated white ladies before! bloody hell

newrubylane · 24/10/2025 15:36

Jewellery feels intimate. Unlike the books where he might just happen to have seen it, it feels like a deliberate attempt to buy a gift.

MissDoubleU · 24/10/2025 15:39

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 15:26

Why do so many see the necklace as particularly jarring? I was not too bothered by that... for me it was the "this reminds me of you" and "thought you would like this Thing I saw today" which strikea me as... romantic? Puppy love, even? I feel nauseous thinking of it

So what are you going to do about it? Surely not let it continue ?

wizzywig · 24/10/2025 15:39

Snitch anonymously to the head teacher so that she speaks to both parties. I feel for you op I really do. You work in the same place and its likely other colleagues have noticed. All the best

MissDoubleU · 24/10/2025 15:41

Wowisthisit · 24/10/2025 15:34

She was just talking about her husbands usual 'type' and that this person was not his usual type. His type could have just as easily been dark haired larger ladies and this woman is a skinny blonde. Stop projecting your body image on things that don't need it. At no point as she said anything derogatory about her weight, she just said it was different to his usual type!
I am sure if OP was black and this lady was white then she would say that he has never dated white ladies before! bloody hell

Edited

No she was saying this woman could not be a threat and she was not concerned because she wasn’t his usual type. I was pointing out this isn’t how attraction works. And as I said, saying “he’s never dated a Black woman before” would have been equally ignorant.

UpMyself · 24/10/2025 15:41

MoominMai · 24/10/2025 15:25

If OP has to resort to getting a third party to intervene in this, I’d say it’s already dead in the water 🤷🏻‍♀️

Because another teacher may have noticed but thought OP was ok about it.
The staff room may be gossiping.