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Is this an emotional affair?

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Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 13:49

Long post. Sorry.
Husband and I are around our 40s and have been married for nearly 10 years now. In the past 10 years we have bought our own home, filled it not just with love but with two children and a dog. Which is not to say it has been easy… It has not been, on my end at least, for about a year.
Let me allow you a bit more background: hubby and I share the same workplace, though we are employed there in different positions. I only see him around lunchtime, which we – usually – spend together. About a year ago, our workplace hired someone new. I will refer to her as Girl. Girl is twenty-four and works closely with husband. Exactly how would give too much away, but they often work as a team. Initially, husband didn't like the idea of Girl assisting him in his work, because 1) she is quite a bit younger than we are, which, in our experience, often leads to different attitudes and therefore disagreement, and 2) she is freshly graduated, and, as such, not a very experienced professional.
His opinion of Girl changed rather quickly. I found this positive, as the idea of Girl working alongside him had previously caused some stress. Husband informed me that Girl made a favourable first impression, both on the people he works with and on him. I myself have of course already met Girl. Girl is friendly, creative, gentle. Impassioned about the work she does. I understood immediately how come hubby and Girl got along swimmingly.
Since Girl has started her job at our workplace, I have noticed, a couple of changes have emerged in the relationship between hubby and me. The most evident of them all is that hubby spends a lot of time with Girl. He doesn't say it like this, of course. But I know he works overtime, sometimes multiple days in the week, on projects he undertakes with Girl to innovate. ‘Breathing new life into old ideas’. OK, honey. Then, there is our lunch breaks! We would enjoy these together, before. These moments I look forward to throughout the morning have had to make way more than once for “work stuff”. Code, of course, for “creative brainstorming” with Girl. He never mentions he is doing this work stuff with her; this is what alerted me in the first place. Why does he feel the need to leave out Girl when he tells me he can’t spend his lunch break with me?
I have asked him about this, by the way. I appreciate forthright communication and he has always done the same. His answer was pretty clear: he presumed I knew, since his job is basically a shared position, now, and presumed as well that I did not care. I told him that I don’t, but that I feel a bit strange about his total silence about Girl in this “work stuff”. We had a good, honest conversation about it, I thought, and so I thought that was the end of my paranoiac suspicions about him and Girl. Why was I worried, anyway? Hubby likes his women blonde and skinny. Girl is dark haired and somewhat on the chubby side. NOT his type. He has made (lighthearted) jokes about her figure. So, NO reason to fret. Right?
Some time on from this valuable conversation, Girl and hubby continue to be “work pals”. Since Girl lives closeby, on the mornings he is not the one to bring our kids to school, hubby picks her up in the early morning and they carpool to work together. This decision was not made by us both. One morning, hubby just told me he felt it would be a good thing to do. I asked “why?”. She can drive, after all, she has her own car. He said it just felt like a nice thing to do. OK, honey. So Girl and him do not just spend many lunchbreaks together, but they drive to work together, as well. Again I had a conversation with hubby about his relationship with Girl. I named it for what it was in my eyes, a relationship. I asked him if it didn’t feel strange, to somehow connect so well with a woman more than ten years his (our) junior. At this he seemed mildly ticked off. He expressed that he found it ‘difficult’ that I was suspicious of this work relationship, since he has not always been lucky to have pleasant co-workers; I said I was not suspicious, maybe a bit worried, since so much of his time and thoughts are shared with Girl. Eventually we agreed on a boundary, being that outside of school, he would limit his communication with Girl, as they were certainly crossing into close friendship territory as opposed to close colleague territory.
He agreed. Communication, however, has not ceased. It did for a little while, I think, but I am aware they speak on Facebook and message back and forth. Which in and of itself I find deeply appropriate for a late 30s father and a mid 20s single woman. So… I may or may not have snooped a week or two ago to see just what these messages contain. All in all the entire chat log was innocent. Back and forth about everything and nothing. Something in me, though, reads all of it as two people falling in love? I can’t quite put my finger on it. Mocking teasing, sending one another photo’s of “thing that reminded me of you today while I was shopping!”, juvenile memes I don’t understand but he seems to like. I also found out hubby has bought her a gift on occasion (one time, a set of books; another time, a necklace with the initial of her name). Why does he do this? Why doesn’t he tell me he does this?
Since this I have been living in this weird state of being torn between two roads. I do trust husband. He has never given me any reason to suspect him of infidelity. Out of everyone I know, hubby would be the last I would think is capable of lying, cheating, etc. And yet, on the other road there is the strange reality that we have grown a bit more distant. We are a good couple and good parents to our kids as we have been but I can’t say things haven’t cooled down in certain departments of our relationship. Barely any dates. Sex is… something that happens maybe once a month.
I hope this Bible I wrote paints a somewhat clear picture for you to be able to answer this post's title. Is hubby having an emotional affair? If this goes on, will he cheat? It's a tough spot to be in, I hope some other perspectives or perhaps even experiences from other women will help me recognize just what position I am in. Or, well, what to expect. Ask me any questions if you would like to know more. I am an open book and sort of desperate, I'll admit.
Thank you in advance!

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OhFeyreDarling · 01/11/2025 20:04

Thewookiemustgo · 01/11/2025 18:40

And yet you choose to post on a website where people share parts of their lives as you have shared a part of yours. We know more than “nothing” about your life, you chose to share the worst part about it.
You read this thread and felt motivated to post what you are posting, knowing that replies to any posts on Mumsnet are always just reactions to what people read, knowing that you would “probably get annihilated” for what you posted, then do so and find the reactions of others “laughable”.
Either you enjoy provoking negative reactions, or are completely blind to how you come across to others.

Don't feed the troll wookie, shes either making shit up a in a sad attempt to feel relevant in something or telling her 'truth' to cleanse herself of the shit she knows she is.

Either way she knows the reactions her posts will get, don't be angry at her, just pity her.

@hiuy maybe a bit of therapy will help, oh and a touch of humility too

hiuy · 01/11/2025 20:07

OhFeyreDarling · 01/11/2025 20:04

Don't feed the troll wookie, shes either making shit up a in a sad attempt to feel relevant in something or telling her 'truth' to cleanse herself of the shit she knows she is.

Either way she knows the reactions her posts will get, don't be angry at her, just pity her.

@hiuy maybe a bit of therapy will help, oh and a touch of humility too

I’m not a troll, I’m a completely normal 30 year old woman.
no need to pity me, I have amazing friends & family. I’m currently cuddled up on the sofa with my husband and my dc. Life is good

therapy is a good shout though, thanks. Might help me work through some trauma.

OhFeyreDarling · 01/11/2025 20:15

hiuy · 01/11/2025 20:07

I’m not a troll, I’m a completely normal 30 year old woman.
no need to pity me, I have amazing friends & family. I’m currently cuddled up on the sofa with my husband and my dc. Life is good

therapy is a good shout though, thanks. Might help me work through some trauma.

No one 'normal' comes on a thread started by a woman who's husband has started an EA and brags about their husband they acquired in that exact way. That's just cruel, and I think you know it.

You're just wanting attention, maybe that's all wrapped up in your trauma

So yeah, go to therapy, but please leave this thread as the OP has asked you to

UpMyself · 01/11/2025 20:16

Go away @hiuy.

hiuy · 01/11/2025 20:18

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Kidsgotothatschool · 01/11/2025 20:18

@hiuy OP has asked you to leave. Please do that.

Mrspatmoresapprentice · 01/11/2025 20:22

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Really? You don’t even like yourself.
Op asked you to leave, and yet you remain. Speaks volumes about you as a person.
If you are so happy with your life and your choices, go away.

worriedmum1982 · 01/11/2025 20:56

Let's agree hiuy was clearly trying to cope with what she did by pretending it was normal. And pretending cheaters change...
Just a funny thing I thought I'd let you all know since I had a good laugh at it - maybe that is just me coping as well - husband has told his mother, who called me today to let me know she saw this coming and she will "give that slag a piece of her mind" as she has done with ex. He is still living with his mother though. And texted to let me know he hopes "we work through this quickly and efficiently so we can both move on". Quickly, yes. I hope. Efficiently? For me yes. For you and your slag (quoting MIL here) I hope it isn't. Haha.

Diarygirlqueen · 01/11/2025 21:00

He's a shit person, OP. I hope this bites him in the arse.

Thewookiemustgo · 01/11/2025 21:18

@hiuy I don’t pity you, nor am I irked by you or angry with you.
I just respond to what people write.
In what you wrote, the way in which you express yourself and in the way you respond to posters here, it appears you have never faced the truth about how you acquired the cosy, comfortable life you say you are enjoying. The truth is often the first victim in affairs and is very hard to look at when you know you are engaging in wrongdoing to someone.
It would not surprise me at all that you think therapy for trauma might be a good idea. It would go a long way to explaining the above. Ask yourself why you seem to delight in provoking negative reactions from people, outing your situation on social media, knowing it will gather disapproval, then stoking the fire to provoke further reaction, despite even the OP asking you to refrain. Why?
Any enjoyment (“I like it here”) you are getting from this, if you actually are, is nothing short of perverse.
Somewhere deep down this is fulfilling a need in you that would benefit you to address.

SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 01/11/2025 21:28

worriedmum1982 · 01/11/2025 20:56

Let's agree hiuy was clearly trying to cope with what she did by pretending it was normal. And pretending cheaters change...
Just a funny thing I thought I'd let you all know since I had a good laugh at it - maybe that is just me coping as well - husband has told his mother, who called me today to let me know she saw this coming and she will "give that slag a piece of her mind" as she has done with ex. He is still living with his mother though. And texted to let me know he hopes "we work through this quickly and efficiently so we can both move on". Quickly, yes. I hope. Efficiently? For me yes. For you and your slag (quoting MIL here) I hope it isn't. Haha.

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This must be really hard to hear though. It is like the person you were married to no longer exists.

It is bizarre. I found it bizarre when it happened to me too.

The casual cruelty is astonishing.

Op, you’re handling it well. Remember it is he who has lost his mind. Not you.

His mother should not be focussing on the “slag”. If it wasn’t her, it would be someone else. Adulterers / cheaters aren’t that fussy. His mother should have a go at her son for being a slag!!!

SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 01/11/2025 21:29

@hiuyyou are strange. Posting weird shit.

AquaLeja · 01/11/2025 21:58

No need for an apology &@UpMyself, in fact 👏 imo from me. I second the wisdom and predictions of PP. You’re not clever but tactless, cruel and callous to OP. Listen to those with more life experience than a 30 year old, transient shiny new thing.

Lifeissodifficult · 01/11/2025 23:27

hiuy · 01/11/2025 20:07

I’m not a troll, I’m a completely normal 30 year old woman.
no need to pity me, I have amazing friends & family. I’m currently cuddled up on the sofa with my husband and my dc. Life is good

therapy is a good shout though, thanks. Might help me work through some trauma.

@hiuy your time will come 😊

You can feel content and cosy and happy now … but know that one day your demon will come knocking.
It ALWAYS does.

SchrodingersParrot · 03/11/2025 12:26

Lifeissodifficult · 01/11/2025 23:27

@hiuy your time will come 😊

You can feel content and cosy and happy now … but know that one day your demon will come knocking.
It ALWAYS does.

@hiuy, I'm reminded of the old saying "When a man marries his mistress, he creates a job vacancy."

Your husband has already cheated on his first wife. He could just as easily do the same to you.

Wowisthisit · 03/11/2025 13:52

SchrodingersParrot · 03/11/2025 12:26

@hiuy, I'm reminded of the old saying "When a man marries his mistress, he creates a job vacancy."

Your husband has already cheated on his first wife. He could just as easily do the same to you.

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Absolutely. Being able to cheat, lie and betray your partner under her nose. Like meet up and sleep with your side chick and then go home and talk to your wife like nothing has happened shows the whole integrity of that person (none) the ability to do that takes someone with no conscience. People like that don't suddenly grow one. If they aren't cheating or lying then its because it doesn't serve them at the time. When it does they will and they have shown they have the capacity for it.

Never ever trust someone who has done this to their wife.

CelerySticker · 03/11/2025 14:01

How are you doing, @worriedmum1982 ?

NameChangedandsad · 04/11/2025 10:08

@worriedmum1982 , are you okay ? Did you have to go back to work yesterday or have they given you more time off considering everything that is going on. Thinking of you OP .....

LetsPutTheKettleOn · 04/11/2025 16:22

Thinking of you too @worriedmum1982

CelerySticker · 08/11/2025 22:49

Really hope things are going well for you @worriedmum1982

worriedmum1982 · 11/11/2025 10:09

Hi! I am doing OK considering. A lot has happened since I last logged on, don't have time to really write it all out now, but hope to make some time for it tonight.
Thank you for the concern!

Sartre · 11/11/2025 10:23

Not emotional, just an actual affair.

With the gifts, I’m a lecturer and have bought and also received books from my fellow male lecturers. Absolutely nothing weird about that, we’re literature lecturers so spend a lot of our time discussing books and have gifted books to one another. The necklace is absolutely the creepiest and weirdest thing, I think jewellery is generally an intimate gift (it’s giving Love Actually…)

That aside, he’s spending all of his free time with her. Giving her a lift to work as well when she doesn’t need it… Come on, he isn’t even trying to hide this.

goody2shooz · 11/11/2025 13:23

@Sartre the op is well aware it’s an affair - she’s now posting under @worriedmum1982

3luckystars · 11/11/2025 15:20

Yeah I hope you are ok too it must be just shocking to believe whats happening.

TheFatCatSatOnTheMat · 21/11/2025 20:11

@worriedmum1982 I hope you are ok