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Is this an emotional affair?

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Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 13:49

Long post. Sorry.
Husband and I are around our 40s and have been married for nearly 10 years now. In the past 10 years we have bought our own home, filled it not just with love but with two children and a dog. Which is not to say it has been easy… It has not been, on my end at least, for about a year.
Let me allow you a bit more background: hubby and I share the same workplace, though we are employed there in different positions. I only see him around lunchtime, which we – usually – spend together. About a year ago, our workplace hired someone new. I will refer to her as Girl. Girl is twenty-four and works closely with husband. Exactly how would give too much away, but they often work as a team. Initially, husband didn't like the idea of Girl assisting him in his work, because 1) she is quite a bit younger than we are, which, in our experience, often leads to different attitudes and therefore disagreement, and 2) she is freshly graduated, and, as such, not a very experienced professional.
His opinion of Girl changed rather quickly. I found this positive, as the idea of Girl working alongside him had previously caused some stress. Husband informed me that Girl made a favourable first impression, both on the people he works with and on him. I myself have of course already met Girl. Girl is friendly, creative, gentle. Impassioned about the work she does. I understood immediately how come hubby and Girl got along swimmingly.
Since Girl has started her job at our workplace, I have noticed, a couple of changes have emerged in the relationship between hubby and me. The most evident of them all is that hubby spends a lot of time with Girl. He doesn't say it like this, of course. But I know he works overtime, sometimes multiple days in the week, on projects he undertakes with Girl to innovate. ‘Breathing new life into old ideas’. OK, honey. Then, there is our lunch breaks! We would enjoy these together, before. These moments I look forward to throughout the morning have had to make way more than once for “work stuff”. Code, of course, for “creative brainstorming” with Girl. He never mentions he is doing this work stuff with her; this is what alerted me in the first place. Why does he feel the need to leave out Girl when he tells me he can’t spend his lunch break with me?
I have asked him about this, by the way. I appreciate forthright communication and he has always done the same. His answer was pretty clear: he presumed I knew, since his job is basically a shared position, now, and presumed as well that I did not care. I told him that I don’t, but that I feel a bit strange about his total silence about Girl in this “work stuff”. We had a good, honest conversation about it, I thought, and so I thought that was the end of my paranoiac suspicions about him and Girl. Why was I worried, anyway? Hubby likes his women blonde and skinny. Girl is dark haired and somewhat on the chubby side. NOT his type. He has made (lighthearted) jokes about her figure. So, NO reason to fret. Right?
Some time on from this valuable conversation, Girl and hubby continue to be “work pals”. Since Girl lives closeby, on the mornings he is not the one to bring our kids to school, hubby picks her up in the early morning and they carpool to work together. This decision was not made by us both. One morning, hubby just told me he felt it would be a good thing to do. I asked “why?”. She can drive, after all, she has her own car. He said it just felt like a nice thing to do. OK, honey. So Girl and him do not just spend many lunchbreaks together, but they drive to work together, as well. Again I had a conversation with hubby about his relationship with Girl. I named it for what it was in my eyes, a relationship. I asked him if it didn’t feel strange, to somehow connect so well with a woman more than ten years his (our) junior. At this he seemed mildly ticked off. He expressed that he found it ‘difficult’ that I was suspicious of this work relationship, since he has not always been lucky to have pleasant co-workers; I said I was not suspicious, maybe a bit worried, since so much of his time and thoughts are shared with Girl. Eventually we agreed on a boundary, being that outside of school, he would limit his communication with Girl, as they were certainly crossing into close friendship territory as opposed to close colleague territory.
He agreed. Communication, however, has not ceased. It did for a little while, I think, but I am aware they speak on Facebook and message back and forth. Which in and of itself I find deeply appropriate for a late 30s father and a mid 20s single woman. So… I may or may not have snooped a week or two ago to see just what these messages contain. All in all the entire chat log was innocent. Back and forth about everything and nothing. Something in me, though, reads all of it as two people falling in love? I can’t quite put my finger on it. Mocking teasing, sending one another photo’s of “thing that reminded me of you today while I was shopping!”, juvenile memes I don’t understand but he seems to like. I also found out hubby has bought her a gift on occasion (one time, a set of books; another time, a necklace with the initial of her name). Why does he do this? Why doesn’t he tell me he does this?
Since this I have been living in this weird state of being torn between two roads. I do trust husband. He has never given me any reason to suspect him of infidelity. Out of everyone I know, hubby would be the last I would think is capable of lying, cheating, etc. And yet, on the other road there is the strange reality that we have grown a bit more distant. We are a good couple and good parents to our kids as we have been but I can’t say things haven’t cooled down in certain departments of our relationship. Barely any dates. Sex is… something that happens maybe once a month.
I hope this Bible I wrote paints a somewhat clear picture for you to be able to answer this post's title. Is hubby having an emotional affair? If this goes on, will he cheat? It's a tough spot to be in, I hope some other perspectives or perhaps even experiences from other women will help me recognize just what position I am in. Or, well, what to expect. Ask me any questions if you would like to know more. I am an open book and sort of desperate, I'll admit.
Thank you in advance!

OP posts:
LongOutBreath · 01/11/2025 10:41

Jfc a cheating man who's gonna hit 70 when a woman is only 55 ain't a catch.

Our patriarchal society teaches women their value is in their youthfulness. What women often don't realise until they're a bit older is that when older men "fall" for younger women it's not actually all about how gorgeous they undoubtedly are. It's the naivety the men want. A woman who hasn't heard it all before. Who isn't wise to their bullshit. Who will accept terms and conditions that they don't have the experience to realise are unfair. It's usually the younger woman who really does the falling, as in, they fall for it.

This isn't bitter experience talking, I've been incredibly lucky. But I've watched it happen with three objectively gorgeous women I know whose partners left and started relationships with younger women. In all cases the new women have ended up losing their naivety (but always after having kids ) and the second relationships have exactly the same issues the first ones did. I feel very sorry for the women wasting their youth on these men.

Crikeyalmighty · 01/11/2025 10:52

@hiuy I know you won’t see it this way but will be interesting to see in 7 years time when he may well do the same to you if you feel quite so glib about it - all these first wives have been you as you are now at some point - pretty sure of their Hs and partners. I don’t think you will feel quite so ‘hey it just happened’ if your own life gets turned upside down

JJZ · 01/11/2025 10:56

MissDoubleU · 24/10/2025 15:25

Also just to throw fuel on the fire I am an overweight lady. Fat. Big ass. There, I said it. Am I the first fat woman my DH has been with? Yes, I think so. Does he absolutely love every single inch of me? Bet your skinny ass does.

So sick of this rhetoric “he only dated skinny girls so he can’t actually be attracted to her.” It doesn’t fly and it isn’t actually how attraction works. So he could never fancy a red head? Would you also say about a Black lady, or an Asian lady, that he couldn’t possibly like her, because “he’s only dated white girls in the past” ?

I mean, you might but it would be highly ignorant. Much like your skinny comment. Attraction is more than physical and much, much more than basic stereotypes.

This.

For anyone to think otherwise is extremely naive.

UpMyself · 01/11/2025 11:14

FFS @JJZ , your post is about a post made over a week ago. The OP has updated several times since then.

Your post in no way helps the OP.

worriedmum1982 · 01/11/2025 11:25

hiuy · 01/11/2025 10:36

Thanks for that novel! Hope you have a lovely day x

Do yourself a favor and stay off this thread.

KiwiFall · 01/11/2025 11:44

hiuy · 31/10/2025 15:35

Hate putting this as I get absolutely annihilated for it but yes it seems like an emotional affair coming from someone who was once ‘girl’

worked with (now dh) who was late 30s and me early 20s, he was married and I was with someone and we fell in love. Didn’t mean for it to happen but it did. sorry op, it sounds like your dh has fallen for her

People cannot help falling in love but they can help how what they do about it and how they handle that situation. They can also have empathy for the people whose lives they destroy and hurt. Maybe you could have said what you said with a bit more contrition. Not every person who cheats will cheat again so maybe you will be lucky with your now partner but sadly some people don’t have the morals or loyalty chip in them.

ainsleysanob · 01/11/2025 12:21

Thewookiemustgo · 01/11/2025 10:39

You’re welcome. Let’s hope some of it sinks in.

It won’t! She thinks he loves her and ‘picked her’. She was just easy. Bless her that she can’t see it yet.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 01/11/2025 13:39

I’m trying to imagine all of the things that’s happening between them while you work at the same place!!! How the gell is she accepting necklaces from him whilst having chit chats with you? Absolutely shameless.

PopcornKitten · 01/11/2025 14:13

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 15:26

Why do so many see the necklace as particularly jarring? I was not too bothered by that... for me it was the "this reminds me of you" and "thought you would like this Thing I saw today" which strikea me as... romantic? Puppy love, even? I feel nauseous thinking of it

It’s because you know how he flirts or shows true interest. Perhaps you see the same behaviours in him from when you were dating. Something about the contact has made you uncomfortable in a way that relationships at school with other females haven’t.
if you’re getting this gut feeling (and you don’t regularly get this sort of feeling with other women) then I would act on it.

OhFeyreDarling · 01/11/2025 15:00

PopcornKitten · 01/11/2025 14:13

It’s because you know how he flirts or shows true interest. Perhaps you see the same behaviours in him from when you were dating. Something about the contact has made you uncomfortable in a way that relationships at school with other females haven’t.
if you’re getting this gut feeling (and you don’t regularly get this sort of feeling with other women) then I would act on it.

Maybe RTFT....

PopcornKitten · 01/11/2025 15:12

OhFeyreDarling · 01/11/2025 15:00

Maybe RTFT....

oops. Sorry OP, I wrote that before finding your name change posts and reading the whole thread.

hiuy · 01/11/2025 15:36

ainsleysanob · 01/11/2025 12:21

It won’t! She thinks he loves her and ‘picked her’. She was just easy. Bless her that she can’t see it yet.

Bless you that you absolutely know nothing about my life. It’s laughable how irked people get on other peoples lives. I could be anyone you’re talking to - a close friend, your colleague. You don’t know what goes on in people’s lives. Anyway, enjoy the rest of your day! I’ll be enjoying mine with my husband who picked me!! It’s hard work being easy.

Namechangetheyarewatching · 01/11/2025 15:52

He currently has blinkers on and all he can think of is fucking this woman, he has put in a lot of time and effort and hes not about to that that go to waste.

Once that's been done and rhe fairytale isn't quite as he planned, he will then come crawling back, he didn't mean it, it was just sex, just the once, she manipulated him, said she would tell his employer, blaa blaa fucking blaa.

Hold your head high and wave him good riddance.

ainsleysanob · 01/11/2025 16:11

hiuy · 01/11/2025 15:36

Bless you that you absolutely know nothing about my life. It’s laughable how irked people get on other peoples lives. I could be anyone you’re talking to - a close friend, your colleague. You don’t know what goes on in people’s lives. Anyway, enjoy the rest of your day! I’ll be enjoying mine with my husband who picked me!! It’s hard work being easy.

It’s not hard work is it though? You simply put your leg over any scummy man that looks your way! What’s laughable is that you think you’re a nice woman, you will always be some easy girl that has no morals, can’t be trusted by anyone with no idea how to behave properly with dignity and will always be looked down on, maybe behind closed doors by your friends, your family and anyone else who knows what kind of woman you are! That’s just a fact and it’s the type of person you chose to be! And yes, you could be anyone I know, I’d still think you were easy scum.

KiwiFall · 01/11/2025 16:16

hiuy · 01/11/2025 15:36

Bless you that you absolutely know nothing about my life. It’s laughable how irked people get on other peoples lives. I could be anyone you’re talking to - a close friend, your colleague. You don’t know what goes on in people’s lives. Anyway, enjoy the rest of your day! I’ll be enjoying mine with my husband who picked me!! It’s hard work being easy.

If you had a daughter and someone did to your daughter what you have done I don’t think you would be saying and acting the way you are. As said before if I was you I would have a bit of contrition before karma strikes.

Mrspatmoresapprentice · 01/11/2025 16:26

hiuy · 01/11/2025 15:36

Bless you that you absolutely know nothing about my life. It’s laughable how irked people get on other peoples lives. I could be anyone you’re talking to - a close friend, your colleague. You don’t know what goes on in people’s lives. Anyway, enjoy the rest of your day! I’ll be enjoying mine with my husband who picked me!! It’s hard work being easy.

I don’t think many of us needed a demonstration that people who have affairs are entirely lacking in empathy. Yet here you are, giving us one anyway……

Diarygirlqueen · 01/11/2025 16:29

@hiuy such an awful attitude to have on someone's thread, when their life is falling apart.
You sound an absolute nasty person.

Kidsgotothatschool · 01/11/2025 16:31

@Mrspatmoresapprentice i wish the laughter emoji was still here! So well said. The selfishness and entitlement in this poster is off the scale.

Thing is her prize is very likely to cheat on her as the stats show he’s 3-4 times more likely than someone who has never cheated. Not great. Meh… she’ll be back complaining he cheated… but she’ll need to change her name.

And don’t forget she ‘hated’ having to post… 🙄

Crikeyalmighty · 01/11/2025 16:46

PopcornKitten · 01/11/2025 14:13

It’s because you know how he flirts or shows true interest. Perhaps you see the same behaviours in him from when you were dating. Something about the contact has made you uncomfortable in a way that relationships at school with other females haven’t.
if you’re getting this gut feeling (and you don’t regularly get this sort of feeling with other women) then I would act on it.

My H when involved in an emotional affair very busily made mix tapes for a young woman - now we both work in music and she really was that way too - but to me it was horribly personal and it upset me more than even some night stand on a drunk night might have - our minds aren’t always logical in what feels like ‘shitting on you’

SchrodingersParrot · 01/11/2025 17:46

worriedmum1982 · 29/10/2025 14:16

Funny you say that, since miss Mistress has set her relationship status to 'It's Complicated' all of a sudden.
I feel like I'm losing my mind, really. I shouldn't care.

I've just caught up with the thread, OP, and I'm so sorry for what you're going through. Your H sounds like a complete tosser.

I know it's a fairly minor point, but do you know what her relationship status was before she changed it?

Thewookiemustgo · 01/11/2025 18:40

hiuy · 01/11/2025 15:36

Bless you that you absolutely know nothing about my life. It’s laughable how irked people get on other peoples lives. I could be anyone you’re talking to - a close friend, your colleague. You don’t know what goes on in people’s lives. Anyway, enjoy the rest of your day! I’ll be enjoying mine with my husband who picked me!! It’s hard work being easy.

And yet you choose to post on a website where people share parts of their lives as you have shared a part of yours. We know more than “nothing” about your life, you chose to share the worst part about it.
You read this thread and felt motivated to post what you are posting, knowing that replies to any posts on Mumsnet are always just reactions to what people read, knowing that you would “probably get annihilated” for what you posted, then do so and find the reactions of others “laughable”.
Either you enjoy provoking negative reactions, or are completely blind to how you come across to others.

UpMyself · 01/11/2025 18:45

hiuy · 01/11/2025 15:36

Bless you that you absolutely know nothing about my life. It’s laughable how irked people get on other peoples lives. I could be anyone you’re talking to - a close friend, your colleague. You don’t know what goes on in people’s lives. Anyway, enjoy the rest of your day! I’ll be enjoying mine with my husband who picked me!! It’s hard work being easy.

We're not irked. We think you're a f*ckwit.

outerspacepotato · 01/11/2025 19:12

@hiuy , Contributions you've made here, negativo. Quit while you're behind.

BudgetWurzel · 01/11/2025 19:25

UpMyself · 01/11/2025 18:45

We're not irked. We think you're a f*ckwit.

@hiuy

You are coming across as a cruel and insensitive person.

UpMyself · 01/11/2025 19:30

Apologies for 'speaking for everyone', and for using a strong term, but in this case I felt justified.
The level of insensitivity of the poster is off the scale.