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Is this an emotional affair?

505 replies

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 13:49

Long post. Sorry.
Husband and I are around our 40s and have been married for nearly 10 years now. In the past 10 years we have bought our own home, filled it not just with love but with two children and a dog. Which is not to say it has been easy… It has not been, on my end at least, for about a year.
Let me allow you a bit more background: hubby and I share the same workplace, though we are employed there in different positions. I only see him around lunchtime, which we – usually – spend together. About a year ago, our workplace hired someone new. I will refer to her as Girl. Girl is twenty-four and works closely with husband. Exactly how would give too much away, but they often work as a team. Initially, husband didn't like the idea of Girl assisting him in his work, because 1) she is quite a bit younger than we are, which, in our experience, often leads to different attitudes and therefore disagreement, and 2) she is freshly graduated, and, as such, not a very experienced professional.
His opinion of Girl changed rather quickly. I found this positive, as the idea of Girl working alongside him had previously caused some stress. Husband informed me that Girl made a favourable first impression, both on the people he works with and on him. I myself have of course already met Girl. Girl is friendly, creative, gentle. Impassioned about the work she does. I understood immediately how come hubby and Girl got along swimmingly.
Since Girl has started her job at our workplace, I have noticed, a couple of changes have emerged in the relationship between hubby and me. The most evident of them all is that hubby spends a lot of time with Girl. He doesn't say it like this, of course. But I know he works overtime, sometimes multiple days in the week, on projects he undertakes with Girl to innovate. ‘Breathing new life into old ideas’. OK, honey. Then, there is our lunch breaks! We would enjoy these together, before. These moments I look forward to throughout the morning have had to make way more than once for “work stuff”. Code, of course, for “creative brainstorming” with Girl. He never mentions he is doing this work stuff with her; this is what alerted me in the first place. Why does he feel the need to leave out Girl when he tells me he can’t spend his lunch break with me?
I have asked him about this, by the way. I appreciate forthright communication and he has always done the same. His answer was pretty clear: he presumed I knew, since his job is basically a shared position, now, and presumed as well that I did not care. I told him that I don’t, but that I feel a bit strange about his total silence about Girl in this “work stuff”. We had a good, honest conversation about it, I thought, and so I thought that was the end of my paranoiac suspicions about him and Girl. Why was I worried, anyway? Hubby likes his women blonde and skinny. Girl is dark haired and somewhat on the chubby side. NOT his type. He has made (lighthearted) jokes about her figure. So, NO reason to fret. Right?
Some time on from this valuable conversation, Girl and hubby continue to be “work pals”. Since Girl lives closeby, on the mornings he is not the one to bring our kids to school, hubby picks her up in the early morning and they carpool to work together. This decision was not made by us both. One morning, hubby just told me he felt it would be a good thing to do. I asked “why?”. She can drive, after all, she has her own car. He said it just felt like a nice thing to do. OK, honey. So Girl and him do not just spend many lunchbreaks together, but they drive to work together, as well. Again I had a conversation with hubby about his relationship with Girl. I named it for what it was in my eyes, a relationship. I asked him if it didn’t feel strange, to somehow connect so well with a woman more than ten years his (our) junior. At this he seemed mildly ticked off. He expressed that he found it ‘difficult’ that I was suspicious of this work relationship, since he has not always been lucky to have pleasant co-workers; I said I was not suspicious, maybe a bit worried, since so much of his time and thoughts are shared with Girl. Eventually we agreed on a boundary, being that outside of school, he would limit his communication with Girl, as they were certainly crossing into close friendship territory as opposed to close colleague territory.
He agreed. Communication, however, has not ceased. It did for a little while, I think, but I am aware they speak on Facebook and message back and forth. Which in and of itself I find deeply appropriate for a late 30s father and a mid 20s single woman. So… I may or may not have snooped a week or two ago to see just what these messages contain. All in all the entire chat log was innocent. Back and forth about everything and nothing. Something in me, though, reads all of it as two people falling in love? I can’t quite put my finger on it. Mocking teasing, sending one another photo’s of “thing that reminded me of you today while I was shopping!”, juvenile memes I don’t understand but he seems to like. I also found out hubby has bought her a gift on occasion (one time, a set of books; another time, a necklace with the initial of her name). Why does he do this? Why doesn’t he tell me he does this?
Since this I have been living in this weird state of being torn between two roads. I do trust husband. He has never given me any reason to suspect him of infidelity. Out of everyone I know, hubby would be the last I would think is capable of lying, cheating, etc. And yet, on the other road there is the strange reality that we have grown a bit more distant. We are a good couple and good parents to our kids as we have been but I can’t say things haven’t cooled down in certain departments of our relationship. Barely any dates. Sex is… something that happens maybe once a month.
I hope this Bible I wrote paints a somewhat clear picture for you to be able to answer this post's title. Is hubby having an emotional affair? If this goes on, will he cheat? It's a tough spot to be in, I hope some other perspectives or perhaps even experiences from other women will help me recognize just what position I am in. Or, well, what to expect. Ask me any questions if you would like to know more. I am an open book and sort of desperate, I'll admit.
Thank you in advance!

OP posts:
OchreRaven · 31/10/2025 14:47

SomewhatAnnoyed · 31/10/2025 14:30

Why the hell does OW get off Scott free?!!

Why isn’t she being blamed equally in this narrative and OP is meant to hold no ill feelings towards her?? Huh?!

As someone mentioned upthread, OP isn’t even some faceless ‘wife’, she’s her work colleague FFS

I wouldn’t normally advise to contact the OW at all but in this case where a dialogue has been started I would want it to be left with my narrative not the ‘sorry we are just good friends’ and then they tell everyone that they only got together after the marriage broke down.

In this scenario where the OW is the only reason the affair didn’t progress to a physical one (which OP has verified from the messages) I wouldn’t be hostile to her. I would be making her see what a piece of shit he is and how he has no doubt pulled the wool over her eyes making out he is in a terrible marriage when the reality is he is just a terrible person.

Best case scenario the OW realises she’s been misled and tries to get away from him. This makes things easier at work for OP if they are not swanning around like loves young dream. And being reasonable in the message to the OW won’t harm OP professionally but likely the OW would be too ashamed to show her employer as the narrative shows her to be unprofessional and lacking in integrity.

Kidsgotothatschool · 31/10/2025 15:01

@OchreRaven I wouldn’t be having ANY contact with the affair partner of my husband who changes her relationship status to ‘it’s complicated’ after the gushy message claiming to care about OP and their children.

‘Do not feed the beast’ would be my mantra

minishiteboard · 31/10/2025 15:08

I think it's weird to have lunch with your husband at work

BudgetWurzel · 31/10/2025 15:08

Kidsgotothatschool · 31/10/2025 15:01

@OchreRaven I wouldn’t be having ANY contact with the affair partner of my husband who changes her relationship status to ‘it’s complicated’ after the gushy message claiming to care about OP and their children.

‘Do not feed the beast’ would be my mantra

Edited

Definitely not. I would block her and let them both get on with whatever they have created. Nothing the OP can say to the OW that will make her understand. OW has been listening to the STBXH side of things for months. Better to focus on what you can control. Stay as calm as possible and don't get sucked into more drama. Rise above.

Myfamilyisquirky · 31/10/2025 15:11

Op please don't engage with the woman no good will come of it. Let your work know what has happened so they can support you.The children need to know what is going on too in an age appropriate way which is focused on there needs. All this is so bloody awful I'm so sorry you are going through this.

hiuy · 31/10/2025 15:35

Hate putting this as I get absolutely annihilated for it but yes it seems like an emotional affair coming from someone who was once ‘girl’

worked with (now dh) who was late 30s and me early 20s, he was married and I was with someone and we fell in love. Didn’t mean for it to happen but it did. sorry op, it sounds like your dh has fallen for her

UpMyself · 31/10/2025 15:39

@hiuy , Congratulations. You've won the Hallowe'en 2025 Tone Deaf Post of the Day award. Once a cheat, always a cheat.

hiuy · 31/10/2025 15:41

UpMyself · 31/10/2025 15:39

@hiuy , Congratulations. You've won the Hallowe'en 2025 Tone Deaf Post of the Day award. Once a cheat, always a cheat.

Thank you for my award, I am honoured.

Notthehill · 31/10/2025 15:44

minishiteboard · 31/10/2025 15:08

I think it's weird to have lunch with your husband at work

Why do people post replies like this?

outerspacepotato · 31/10/2025 15:48

OchreRaven · 31/10/2025 14:47

I wouldn’t normally advise to contact the OW at all but in this case where a dialogue has been started I would want it to be left with my narrative not the ‘sorry we are just good friends’ and then they tell everyone that they only got together after the marriage broke down.

In this scenario where the OW is the only reason the affair didn’t progress to a physical one (which OP has verified from the messages) I wouldn’t be hostile to her. I would be making her see what a piece of shit he is and how he has no doubt pulled the wool over her eyes making out he is in a terrible marriage when the reality is he is just a terrible person.

Best case scenario the OW realises she’s been misled and tries to get away from him. This makes things easier at work for OP if they are not swanning around like loves young dream. And being reasonable in the message to the OW won’t harm OP professionally but likely the OW would be too ashamed to show her employer as the narrative shows her to be unprofessional and lacking in integrity.

Affair Partner can take care of herself. She encouraged a married man and inserted herself into their marriage rather than shut him down. OP is not her momma, has her own kids to guide through a marriage breakup, and AP can find out what a POS he is all by herself.

OP needs radio silence with AP. Contact with AP has zero benefit for OP, especially trashing her husband. Then OP looks like the crazy ex stalking the oh so innocent affair partner.

Myfamilyisquirky · 31/10/2025 15:50

hiuy · 31/10/2025 15:35

Hate putting this as I get absolutely annihilated for it but yes it seems like an emotional affair coming from someone who was once ‘girl’

worked with (now dh) who was late 30s and me early 20s, he was married and I was with someone and we fell in love. Didn’t mean for it to happen but it did. sorry op, it sounds like your dh has fallen for her

I think she is aware. I don't think this is helpful.

Kidsgotothatschool · 31/10/2025 15:57

hiuy · 31/10/2025 15:35

Hate putting this as I get absolutely annihilated for it but yes it seems like an emotional affair coming from someone who was once ‘girl’

worked with (now dh) who was late 30s and me early 20s, he was married and I was with someone and we fell in love. Didn’t mean for it to happen but it did. sorry op, it sounds like your dh has fallen for her

Didn’t hate it enough to not do it!

Seriously how does this help a woman who is traumatised and in shock after the breakdown of her marriage and destruction of her family unit?

It just seems like you’re boasting that you got your man (and what a prize) through the abuse of your partners at the time. Personally nothing I’d write home about.

worriedmum1982 · 31/10/2025 15:57

hiuy · 31/10/2025 15:35

Hate putting this as I get absolutely annihilated for it but yes it seems like an emotional affair coming from someone who was once ‘girl’

worked with (now dh) who was late 30s and me early 20s, he was married and I was with someone and we fell in love. Didn’t mean for it to happen but it did. sorry op, it sounds like your dh has fallen for her

You should be proud of yourself! And boast about it on message boards!
Have the day you deserve.

ainsleysanob · 31/10/2025 16:00

hiuy · 31/10/2025 15:35

Hate putting this as I get absolutely annihilated for it but yes it seems like an emotional affair coming from someone who was once ‘girl’

worked with (now dh) who was late 30s and me early 20s, he was married and I was with someone and we fell in love. Didn’t mean for it to happen but it did. sorry op, it sounds like your dh has fallen for her

How does it feel to know your husband is probably balls deep in someone else as soon he gets the chance? Mind you, you wouldn’t be able to complain would you?

AquaForce · 31/10/2025 17:26

To add to worriedmum1982 · 26/10/2025 18:20 red flag signs,

I knew mine was cheating when suddenly texts stopped between 5pm and 7pm on week days. The French call it cinq à sept. I called it a lucky escape.

He was a very abusive man. She was my ticket out of there. He'd finish with me for her. That's what they do. It's humiliating and they think it gives them the upper hand.

Daft woman fell for the love bombing and married him a few weeks later. I'd say she soon found out why I let her take him off my hands. Marry in haste......as they say.

3luckystars · 31/10/2025 17:27

Do not contact her. Don’t lower yourself.

GreenCandleWax · 31/10/2025 17:55

OchreRaven · 31/10/2025 07:49

If I was you I would be tempted to send one final message to the OW so you have the last say and she doesn’t set the narrative in her own head that what they have is some sort of undeniable connection they couldn’t help and your marriage was over before this anyway. Make sure she knows anything coming down the line at work for her is not because you are a crazy ex but because of her actions.

Something like ’Girl, I am glad that I found out what has been said behind my back. I do not recognise the man who said those things to you. He never complained about our marriage and continued to have an intimate relationship with me. I have no desire to be with someone who can lie and manipulate then be so cold and detached once their true self has been revealed. I don’t blame you, it was not your responsibility to safeguard our marriage. I’m just glad I found out while I still have time to rebuild my life. And whilst I don’t blame you, I think you are naive if you don’t recognise your part in helping him hurt and abuse his family. But it’s up to you to reflect whether your actions and words show your integrity and professionalism. We all make mistakes but now yours have been bought into the light I hope you hold yourself to a higher standard. And if you decide STBX is the person you want to invest your life in then I hope for your sake his ability to lie, deceive, and hurt the people closest to him doesn’t come back around to harm you emotionally or professionally. I don’t hold any anger towards you but I also need to take care of my own mental health and wellbeing and I hope you understand that.’

No. Don't write that. She doesn't deserve anything from you except a dignified and dismissive silence. Getting into a conversation is like you involving yourself in a triangle.

AquaForce · 31/10/2025 18:10

Could've just said No, I didn't fuck your husband
Is she implying she's doing you a favour here somehow?

cheatinghusband1988 and I are sort of inseparable through our work.
No you're not. There's thousands of schools. Work somewhere else.

I will be distancing myself from cheatinghusband1988
But you're inseparable?

I have tried to keep my distance
Whilst making no real effort to do so. Again, thousands of schools you could be distant in.

It's true that our friendship has at times crossed lines of what is/isn't appropriate.
A crumb of truth. First rule is only admit the bare minimum. It gives the illusion of transparency. Honesty even. It's much easier to believe her with this statement than endless denial.

Mrspatmoresapprentice · 31/10/2025 18:10

outerspacepotato · 31/10/2025 15:48

Affair Partner can take care of herself. She encouraged a married man and inserted herself into their marriage rather than shut him down. OP is not her momma, has her own kids to guide through a marriage breakup, and AP can find out what a POS he is all by herself.

OP needs radio silence with AP. Contact with AP has zero benefit for OP, especially trashing her husband. Then OP looks like the crazy ex stalking the oh so innocent affair partner.

Totally agree. Plus, the “drama” is what is getting this girl off at the minute. She’s the “chosen one” (by a total sack of shit, what a prize!) it was oh so inevitable, “we just couldn’t help ourselves”. Eye right. Until reality bites and she becomes step mummy to kids that don’t want her, she’s judged by all her friends, family and colleagues and she realises that actually, he no longer has any money to buy her (entirely inappropriate) gifts, or actually, do anything, because he’s paying it all in maintenance and rent. Reality is going to bite this girl hard on the arse, with absolutely no contact needed from op. Op needs to shore up her own fences now, not waste time or headspace on this dimwit.

UpMyself · 31/10/2025 18:15

And the home wrecker tag will follow him and her. Not a way to start a career.
(He is the home wrecker but the harsh judgement will fall on her).

AquaForce · 31/10/2025 18:37

All in all the entire chat log was innocent. Back and forth about everything and nothing.

For all we know those messages could have been planted for OP to find as 'evidence' that nothing is going on.

SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 01/11/2025 06:45

hiuy · 31/10/2025 15:35

Hate putting this as I get absolutely annihilated for it but yes it seems like an emotional affair coming from someone who was once ‘girl’

worked with (now dh) who was late 30s and me early 20s, he was married and I was with someone and we fell in love. Didn’t mean for it to happen but it did. sorry op, it sounds like your dh has fallen for her

Oh you must be irresistibly gorgeous. Of course you couldn’t help it. Twoo wuv must never be stopped.

🤣

And now you’re stuck with a bloke who doesn’t mind cheating. What a prize. Guess it’s just a matter of time. Look after yourself.

Thewookiemustgo · 01/11/2025 10:34

@hiuy there’s a reason you keep getting annihilated.

You write with absolutely no accountability or regret for your wrongdoing in cheating on your partner and helping your now DH cheat on his. Falling in love with somebody else isn’t what gets you the annihilation, it could happen to anyone, but your glib attitude to how you handled that does.
Add to that your astonishing level of blindness and sensitivity to the hurt your post will cause OP, and believe me, you’d have to have been living under a rock on this website to not know what’s going to happen next.
It reads like “shit happens, I’m sorry but it just does, so get over it”
What you ‘didn’t mean to happen’ wasn’t fate or ‘whoopsie, look what we did there’. You had a choice. He had a choice. Nobody can help falling in love, of course not, but everybody can help what happens next. You chose an illicit affair over being honest about your feelings with your partners.
Your affair was an active deceitful choice which devastated other people.
Your apparent shrugging it off with “Didn’t mean for it to happen but it did, sorry” and posting that on a thread from a woman whose life is falling apart because of shit like the shit you chose to do, for whatever bizarre reason you posted here, is what gets you the annihilation.
“Falling in love” doesn’t excuse gaslighting and abuse. You could have told your partners before your affair and left them honestly before you cheated. It was a deliberate choice.
Get some accountability, remorse and personal humility over the terrible things your deceitfulness did to other people, don’t present it on a platter to people on their knees whose lives are imploding because they’ve just been betrayed, and you might get a better response.

hiuy · 01/11/2025 10:36

Thewookiemustgo · 01/11/2025 10:34

@hiuy there’s a reason you keep getting annihilated.

You write with absolutely no accountability or regret for your wrongdoing in cheating on your partner and helping your now DH cheat on his. Falling in love with somebody else isn’t what gets you the annihilation, it could happen to anyone, but your glib attitude to how you handled that does.
Add to that your astonishing level of blindness and sensitivity to the hurt your post will cause OP, and believe me, you’d have to have been living under a rock on this website to not know what’s going to happen next.
It reads like “shit happens, I’m sorry but it just does, so get over it”
What you ‘didn’t mean to happen’ wasn’t fate or ‘whoopsie, look what we did there’. You had a choice. He had a choice. Nobody can help falling in love, of course not, but everybody can help what happens next. You chose an illicit affair over being honest about your feelings with your partners.
Your affair was an active deceitful choice which devastated other people.
Your apparent shrugging it off with “Didn’t mean for it to happen but it did, sorry” and posting that on a thread from a woman whose life is falling apart because of shit like the shit you chose to do, for whatever bizarre reason you posted here, is what gets you the annihilation.
“Falling in love” doesn’t excuse gaslighting and abuse. You could have told your partners before your affair and left them honestly before you cheated. It was a deliberate choice.
Get some accountability, remorse and personal humility over the terrible things your deceitfulness did to other people, don’t present it on a platter to people on their knees whose lives are imploding because they’ve just been betrayed, and you might get a better response.

Thanks for that novel! Hope you have a lovely day x

Thewookiemustgo · 01/11/2025 10:39

You’re welcome. Let’s hope some of it sinks in.

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