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Is this an emotional affair?

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Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 13:49

Long post. Sorry.
Husband and I are around our 40s and have been married for nearly 10 years now. In the past 10 years we have bought our own home, filled it not just with love but with two children and a dog. Which is not to say it has been easy… It has not been, on my end at least, for about a year.
Let me allow you a bit more background: hubby and I share the same workplace, though we are employed there in different positions. I only see him around lunchtime, which we – usually – spend together. About a year ago, our workplace hired someone new. I will refer to her as Girl. Girl is twenty-four and works closely with husband. Exactly how would give too much away, but they often work as a team. Initially, husband didn't like the idea of Girl assisting him in his work, because 1) she is quite a bit younger than we are, which, in our experience, often leads to different attitudes and therefore disagreement, and 2) she is freshly graduated, and, as such, not a very experienced professional.
His opinion of Girl changed rather quickly. I found this positive, as the idea of Girl working alongside him had previously caused some stress. Husband informed me that Girl made a favourable first impression, both on the people he works with and on him. I myself have of course already met Girl. Girl is friendly, creative, gentle. Impassioned about the work she does. I understood immediately how come hubby and Girl got along swimmingly.
Since Girl has started her job at our workplace, I have noticed, a couple of changes have emerged in the relationship between hubby and me. The most evident of them all is that hubby spends a lot of time with Girl. He doesn't say it like this, of course. But I know he works overtime, sometimes multiple days in the week, on projects he undertakes with Girl to innovate. ‘Breathing new life into old ideas’. OK, honey. Then, there is our lunch breaks! We would enjoy these together, before. These moments I look forward to throughout the morning have had to make way more than once for “work stuff”. Code, of course, for “creative brainstorming” with Girl. He never mentions he is doing this work stuff with her; this is what alerted me in the first place. Why does he feel the need to leave out Girl when he tells me he can’t spend his lunch break with me?
I have asked him about this, by the way. I appreciate forthright communication and he has always done the same. His answer was pretty clear: he presumed I knew, since his job is basically a shared position, now, and presumed as well that I did not care. I told him that I don’t, but that I feel a bit strange about his total silence about Girl in this “work stuff”. We had a good, honest conversation about it, I thought, and so I thought that was the end of my paranoiac suspicions about him and Girl. Why was I worried, anyway? Hubby likes his women blonde and skinny. Girl is dark haired and somewhat on the chubby side. NOT his type. He has made (lighthearted) jokes about her figure. So, NO reason to fret. Right?
Some time on from this valuable conversation, Girl and hubby continue to be “work pals”. Since Girl lives closeby, on the mornings he is not the one to bring our kids to school, hubby picks her up in the early morning and they carpool to work together. This decision was not made by us both. One morning, hubby just told me he felt it would be a good thing to do. I asked “why?”. She can drive, after all, she has her own car. He said it just felt like a nice thing to do. OK, honey. So Girl and him do not just spend many lunchbreaks together, but they drive to work together, as well. Again I had a conversation with hubby about his relationship with Girl. I named it for what it was in my eyes, a relationship. I asked him if it didn’t feel strange, to somehow connect so well with a woman more than ten years his (our) junior. At this he seemed mildly ticked off. He expressed that he found it ‘difficult’ that I was suspicious of this work relationship, since he has not always been lucky to have pleasant co-workers; I said I was not suspicious, maybe a bit worried, since so much of his time and thoughts are shared with Girl. Eventually we agreed on a boundary, being that outside of school, he would limit his communication with Girl, as they were certainly crossing into close friendship territory as opposed to close colleague territory.
He agreed. Communication, however, has not ceased. It did for a little while, I think, but I am aware they speak on Facebook and message back and forth. Which in and of itself I find deeply appropriate for a late 30s father and a mid 20s single woman. So… I may or may not have snooped a week or two ago to see just what these messages contain. All in all the entire chat log was innocent. Back and forth about everything and nothing. Something in me, though, reads all of it as two people falling in love? I can’t quite put my finger on it. Mocking teasing, sending one another photo’s of “thing that reminded me of you today while I was shopping!”, juvenile memes I don’t understand but he seems to like. I also found out hubby has bought her a gift on occasion (one time, a set of books; another time, a necklace with the initial of her name). Why does he do this? Why doesn’t he tell me he does this?
Since this I have been living in this weird state of being torn between two roads. I do trust husband. He has never given me any reason to suspect him of infidelity. Out of everyone I know, hubby would be the last I would think is capable of lying, cheating, etc. And yet, on the other road there is the strange reality that we have grown a bit more distant. We are a good couple and good parents to our kids as we have been but I can’t say things haven’t cooled down in certain departments of our relationship. Barely any dates. Sex is… something that happens maybe once a month.
I hope this Bible I wrote paints a somewhat clear picture for you to be able to answer this post's title. Is hubby having an emotional affair? If this goes on, will he cheat? It's a tough spot to be in, I hope some other perspectives or perhaps even experiences from other women will help me recognize just what position I am in. Or, well, what to expect. Ask me any questions if you would like to know more. I am an open book and sort of desperate, I'll admit.
Thank you in advance!

OP posts:
Crikeyalmighty · 29/10/2025 14:47

@worriedmum1982 I would be ‘uncomplicating ‘ it for her asap and as they say ‘considering your options’ start working out financially what’s doable , don’t necessarily factor in buying houses etc - if necessary be open minded to renting, shared ownership etc . The thing is Op if you stay together I can pretty much guarantee you will never feel the same again - you might be able to pull it together but something in your head and heart just ‘dies’ - I stayed and that’s how I feel

AprilinPortugal · 29/10/2025 14:55

Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 16:20

Is this discussion on skinny/fat necessary? I meant no harm or offense by it, not to anyone posting here or to Girl for that matter.

No it's not necessary but I just knew when you first said it, that the thread was going to get de-railed by it. Always happening on here! People taking offence over nothing and going on and on about it 😄

AprilinPortugal · 29/10/2025 15:21

having read your updates @worriedmum1982please don't let him come back. He would only be coming back because she doesn't want him. I could never get over the things he said, never trust him again. He sounds like a creepy predator and needs to be hung out to dry for sexual harassment! I wouldn't blame her as much. She sounds a bit immature, was probably flattered at first by the attention and didn't want it to go further, then reality hit when he pestered her. I'm so sorry you've had to go through this. Best revenge is to live your best life without him!

worriedmum1982 · 29/10/2025 16:05

There's not even a hair on my head that considers getting back together, letting him back into our home, or anything of the sort. Not one. There is a lot of cells in my brain working against me by being devastated he isn't heartbroken. I am a little heartbroken. 10 years down the drain .. children growing up in a broken home due to selfish, egotistical whims of a selfish man and a selfish girl. Yes, I said it. To hell with both of them, actually. I need a place to vent- maybe what I need is a therapist, God knows- and I feel this website is it. This just feels like a nasty nightmare. I bet the two of them are still texting, maybe even meeting up with each other, meanwhile I sit at home, take care of our kids and seethe. Isn't that pathetic?

BudgetWurzel · 29/10/2025 16:20

I know it's very brutal to think but they might end up in a relationship together, at least for a while. All relationships start shiny shiny but then some reality and real life kicks in. Accept the worst and focus on yourself and children. He is a mid life crisis cliche and she has helped him along in abandoning his family. Neither has anything to be proud of. It's not a great answer to "so how did you meet?" You are so much better than either of them so try and put positive focus on yourself and moving forward. You already sound very strong!

CelerySticker · 29/10/2025 16:29

@worriedmum1982 no not pathetic at all. They did this, you did not. Your husband has fucked up your future without giving you a choice. He lied, manipulated, gaslit, and is now waltzing off leaving you to pick up the pieces. You have had no control over this and are reeling from the shock of this massive betrayal.

Vent here as much as you'd like - many of us have been in similar situations and will support you as much as we can from behind a keyboard.

Thewookiemustgo · 29/10/2025 16:33

They are pathetic, you are absolutely correct.
Both of them thinking of nobody but themselves, your husband abandoning his professional responsibilities, his family responsibilities and all his morals and values for a much younger woman who fans his ego. What they hell can they have in common except work? Any jokey references from him about anything past about eighteen years ago will go straight over her head. My DD is around her age and still enjoys clubbing and going out with her peer group friends. Imagine how bloody ridiculous he’ll look out with a bunch of twenty-somethings! Their in-jokes and cultural references will go straight over his head, too. He’s a buffoon. His head’s gone so far up his arse that all he can probably see when he opens his eyes are his own tonsils. A very stupid, pathetic excuse for a man.
You, however, are upholding your responsibilities, keeping it together despite a shocking, unforeseen and heartbreaking event and doing everything you can to minimise the damage he is doing to your children. You are dignified, honourable and being the responsible spouse, parent and adult. You are an amazing woman.
He’s coming across as supremely selfish, immature and short-sighted. He’s failed at being a good husband, let his children down badly as a father, let his colleagues down as a committed professional, let his Headteacher down by potentially bringing the school into disrepute, and let the students down by being an appalling role model. You, your children and all involved at his workplace deserve a whole lot better from him.
Don’t think of it as ten years of your past down the drain, think of it as clearing a much better path ahead for you and your children for the future now.
Any weaknesses and flaws and failures in this fiasco are all his to account for and his to sort out. He has thrown away a very good life with both hands.
Stay strong, it’s incredibly hard and don’t beat yourself up for thinking about the pair of them, it’s normal and you’re still reeling from it all. Turn it on its head: yep, they might well be texting and meeting up (a twenty- four year old will be high on the drama of it all, believe me) but they know, all the while they know: it’s wrong, nobody is going to agree with them or back them, it’s based on lies and sneaking around (if they go public she’s cooked her goose after the damage limitation text she sent you plus the texts to him) and the cost of it all will ultimately be too big for either of them to cope with.
Earth may look a long way away at present from LaLa Land, but it’s never, ever a soft landing when the gravity of truth pulls you back there with the proverbial bump.

Crikeyalmighty · 29/10/2025 16:58

@worriedmum1982 when I first found out about my Hs emotional dalliance with a young woman who could just about have been his daughter , even though it had happened 10 years before( and I found out 10 years after the time) you know what bothered me most, the fact he didn’t grovel, he was upset I knew and upset he had upset me but no grovelling whatsoever - and that upset me hugely as I felt he just presumed I would just mentally move on . the mind works in funny ways OP. There’s 2 pathetic self involved drama llama people involved here and neither are you !! Just think ‘oh do fuck off’ very hard to do I know - I didn’t, wish I had whilst I was still utterly sizzling.

Kidsgotothatschool · 29/10/2025 17:11

How dare she post about her ‘complicated relationship’. That’s a disgusting drama seeking thing to do in the circumstances. I withheld having strong opinions against her as I try to see the OW for who they are, just a willing opportunity for a cheating creepy male but after that message to you this is a really nasty thing to do! And shows you and your children are just background noise to her. Please bring that up with your senior leadership. They both need to be as far away from you as possible and your head needs to ensure this.

3luckystars · 29/10/2025 17:42

They have no idea the impact of this.
It is complicated.
And they are about to find out how complicated things can get.

Myfamilyisquirky · 29/10/2025 17:43

Just checking in OP I feel for you and your kids try to stay strong for them. Absolutely find a counsellor that's a great idea and vent here as much as you want. Is there someone in real life you can talk to ? Also have you let work know what is happening? I think it would be wise to let them know so they can support you.

UpMyself · 29/10/2025 18:44

@Thewookiemustgo , 'Girl' probably doesn't have any friends. Friends would have told her she was foolish and asking for trouble.

Thewookiemustgo · 29/10/2025 19:34

@UpMyself I’ve got no doubt her friends told her stuff like that, but until reality hits, most people in affairs just aren’t listening or will smile patronisingly and say “You just don’t understand. He really loves me! He’s promised me blah blah blah ” Or similar. Carrie Fisher’s character in When Harry Met Sally keeps saying to her girlfriends, “He’s never going to leave his wife, is he?” And they say “no, of course he’s never going to leave his wife.” with an eyeroll. It becomes a running gag in the movie. She’s told repeatedly, asks them repeatedly, but just doesn’t want to hear the answer.
Not to mention those types of friends who love the drama and sympathise with poor OW and stupid husband, telling OW that it’s terrible that two people who really love each other can’t be together because of his harpie wife and to just hang on in there etc etc.
I know of one OW whose best mate let her use her flat to sleep with her OM when they went away anywhere, in exchange for doing some house-sitting! Grim as feck!

SunflowerTed · 29/10/2025 23:04

SpringSummerAutumn · 24/10/2025 14:17

For heaven's sake OP. She is a 24 year old woman. She isn't a " Girl". How patronising.
But yes unfortunately it sounds like an emotional affair.

Yes I felt the girl bit was very demeaning

UpMyself · 29/10/2025 23:42

SunflowerTed · 29/10/2025 23:04

Yes I felt the girl bit was very demeaning

Read the thread. OP's husband has had his head turned by a colleague young enough to be his daughter.

Glindaa · 30/10/2025 04:31

Kidsgotothatschool · 29/10/2025 17:11

How dare she post about her ‘complicated relationship’. That’s a disgusting drama seeking thing to do in the circumstances. I withheld having strong opinions against her as I try to see the OW for who they are, just a willing opportunity for a cheating creepy male but after that message to you this is a really nasty thing to do! And shows you and your children are just background noise to her. Please bring that up with your senior leadership. They both need to be as far away from you as possible and your head needs to ensure this.

oh I think i missed the msg , did ow msg op? What did she say?

MsDogLady · 30/10/2025 05:08

@worriedmum1982, his cold-hearted disloyalty and continued obsession/allegiance to this 24 year old must sting so much. Of course you were hoping that he was coming to his senses and distraught over losing you and his family unit.

His long-building limerence has not abated. He talks like they are still together and warns you off. Her new ‘It’s complicated’ status appears to publicly acknowledge a complex romantic relationship, which exposes her recent response to you (nothing inappropriate, intentional distancing, etc.) as blatant lies. I don’t believe she has given him the heave-ho at all.

He is unremorseful for wounding you and the children and is in denial about his professional breach and its ramifications. @worriedmum1982, you would be wise to move forward soon with alerting the school authorities about their unethical behavior. They will be attempting to spin the narrative, but you have the position of strength via black and white evidence.

SomewhatAnnoyed · 30/10/2025 05:47

MsDogLady · 30/10/2025 05:08

@worriedmum1982, his cold-hearted disloyalty and continued obsession/allegiance to this 24 year old must sting so much. Of course you were hoping that he was coming to his senses and distraught over losing you and his family unit.

His long-building limerence has not abated. He talks like they are still together and warns you off. Her new ‘It’s complicated’ status appears to publicly acknowledge a complex romantic relationship, which exposes her recent response to you (nothing inappropriate, intentional distancing, etc.) as blatant lies. I don’t believe she has given him the heave-ho at all.

He is unremorseful for wounding you and the children and is in denial about his professional breach and its ramifications. @worriedmum1982, you would be wise to move forward soon with alerting the school authorities about their unethical behavior. They will be attempting to spin the narrative, but you have the position of strength via black and white evidence.

Her new ‘It’s complicated’ status appears to publicly acknowledge a complex romantic relationship…

Yes, and it’s the fact this young woman has deliberately bothered to change her status update which highlights how young and very immature she is - social media plays such a significant part to her life that even though she’s in the middle of a very serious adult situation, she finds the urge to publicly update her social media friends (and the world) on the dynamics, which she has actually denied to OP - what a fucking idiot!

DeepRubySwan · 30/10/2025 05:52

Buying her a necklace with her name on it is clearly emotional affair territory if not more. It sounds like he is the one in love though. She's 24 and would idolise him a bit. He needs to be careful here, he could lose everything, over nothing.

NothingCanStopTheSmooze · 30/10/2025 07:01

UpMyself · 29/10/2025 23:42

Read the thread. OP's husband has had his head turned by a colleague young enough to be his daughter.

She said he’s late 30s. She’s mid 20s. I mean technically she’s old enough to be his daughter but only just. A 14/15 year age gap isn’t really that bad. It’s not like he’s 50 and she’s 19.

cooldarkroom · 30/10/2025 07:43

He will soon have had enough of living with his mother.
Beware if his arrogance & nonchalance turning in to anger. He will soon want
To sell the house
To empty the bank account
Completely rewrite history, not just to her, but to You, as if you hadn't also lived it.
He will become a stranger, He will potentially try to “Disney Dad” the dc, to convince them you really made his life misery & he deserved better.
You are still hoping for him to realise his error, be contrite & beg for forgiveness . Remember if he does its because the OW has told him its not happening.

Hanschristiananderson · 30/10/2025 09:07

I don’t think looking for revenge, reading the other woman’s social media or looking to get either party sacked is the way to go.
OP. See a solicitor and get a divorce started. You need to cold and calculated now. Distance yourself, ensure he can’t empty your bank account and get the locks changed. I would cease all contact apart from absolutely necessary financial stuff and let the courts sort out access eventually.

Thewookiemustgo · 30/10/2025 10:34

I missed the ‘relationship status change’ update yesterday afternoon.
Oh dear! Really? If I wasn’t already massively unimpressed with this young woman I’d actually be cringing sympathetically for her embarrassingly teenage behaviour, as it is I’m just cringing, as it adds to her already stellar amount of naivety and unprofessionalism. She’s just graduated and really hasn’t wrapped her head around the masses of responsibility attached to her chosen profession. She’s romanticised and dramatised the whole thing and will look back on this with even more cringing than I’m currently doing one day.
This one small act really does scream a massive lack of maturity and love of a bit of drama/ attention.
OP I’d steer my mind away from her, you probably teach fifteen year olds with more maturity and awareness.
This isn’t a huge romance, it’s not your husband being unhappy with his life, or you, he’s unhappy that he’s late thirties and has responsibilities and doesn’t have the capability to accept this and accept responsibility for his own happiness. He’s grabbing at external things that make him feel like he did when he was very young and make think he’s “still got it”. In a long relationship our shiny new careers become our day to day life, our shiny new love becomes our day to day life partner, children come along and we’re not the stars of our own show any more for a while, and little by little, if we don’t notice and aren’t aware, we can start to feel invisible and lose ourselves a little, lose our connection with our partners for a while because of our quite normal responsibilities. That’s when we take notice and look within, not without. It’s ourselves and how we show up in our lives for our partners, for our family and how we show up for ourselves that’s important. You look at yourself and your loved ones to rekindle the spark and make time to make life fun again. You don’t use externals (drunk, drugs, porn, validation from other people) to fill the gap. The gap you’re perceiving isn’t that the life you’ve helped to build and are a big part of is miserable. The gap is that you have become miserable, you have neglected those parts of your life which gave you joy. Make an effort to improve that and your problems and feeling jaded go away. Sadly a lot of people (I’m going to be sexist here and say that it’s very often men) haven’t got the self awareness and skills to realise this and give their heads a wobble. They rush to external things to make themselves feel good, sadly missing the point that novelty is what’s missing, and that novelty becomes day to day with time. You end up where you were with the old person, with the new person because the problem never was the old person and the old relationship, the problem was the way you viewed it all and didn’t have the awareness and skills to make yourself happy. Relying on others and other things to make you happy never, ever works long term. The only person who can make you happy is yourself. Others and externals can add to that happiness but they can’t and shouldn’t be expected to sustain it. That’s down to you.
None of the above essay is an excuse for him, not at all. He knows that this is wrong. But it happens so often that it makes me really sad. He’s another fool who thinks a shiny new person is the answer to life’s ennui and the answer to life’s ennui is only ever found within ourselves.
The old trope ‘the grass is greenest where you water it’ can be the saddest lesson to learn, because by then you’ve usually trashed your own life and massively hurt the people who love you and who are the ones who are truly on your side, standing in your corner and want the best for you.
He’s high on a dopamine bender at the moment and really can’t see it, OP. It won’t matter what you say to him because at present he thinks she’s ’the answer.’ She’s not, she’s just new and her youth and hero worship makes him feel good about himself. Classic, boring early midlife crisis material sadly.
Ignore her, her daddy issues (I don’t mean that patronisingly, but it’s glaringly obvious) and immaturity are driving this cringefest.
Your husband is making a tit of himself and devastating you and his children in the process. They’re not Romeo and Juliet, they’re yet another clichéd Clowneo and Fooliet.
Protect yourself now, he’s not who he used to be and he’s no friend to you. His little trip to Planet Ego has consequences and his blindness to it will cost him dearly.

cooldarkroom · 30/10/2025 10:50

@Thewookiemustgo.
perfectly erudite.

Crikeyalmighty · 30/10/2025 11:58

Beautifully put @Thewookiemustgo as always. I know you’ve been there and I have too - and indeed fully admit I’ve been on both sides of the fence - I was unhappy in my 1st marriage and I was the one who breached trust . I now see so clearly that it was ‘life’ I was unhappy with - the groundhog dayness of reality in my late 20s having been with the same guy from 15 . To quote the specials ‘I’d done too much, much too young’ - I suddenly wanted butterflies and romance and feeling special and I wasn’t getting it in my marriage one bit - I had become a bangmaid mixed with Mary poppins.

in my 2nd marriage but my husbands first I think my H went through similar. At around the 10 year married point - he missed romance, holding hands on sofa, feeling special and whijst he was 100% to blame for an emotional affair , I can see now how humongously hurtful it is and how it sadly changes feelings and trust

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