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Is this an emotional affair?

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Hubbyissue82 · 24/10/2025 13:49

Long post. Sorry.
Husband and I are around our 40s and have been married for nearly 10 years now. In the past 10 years we have bought our own home, filled it not just with love but with two children and a dog. Which is not to say it has been easy… It has not been, on my end at least, for about a year.
Let me allow you a bit more background: hubby and I share the same workplace, though we are employed there in different positions. I only see him around lunchtime, which we – usually – spend together. About a year ago, our workplace hired someone new. I will refer to her as Girl. Girl is twenty-four and works closely with husband. Exactly how would give too much away, but they often work as a team. Initially, husband didn't like the idea of Girl assisting him in his work, because 1) she is quite a bit younger than we are, which, in our experience, often leads to different attitudes and therefore disagreement, and 2) she is freshly graduated, and, as such, not a very experienced professional.
His opinion of Girl changed rather quickly. I found this positive, as the idea of Girl working alongside him had previously caused some stress. Husband informed me that Girl made a favourable first impression, both on the people he works with and on him. I myself have of course already met Girl. Girl is friendly, creative, gentle. Impassioned about the work she does. I understood immediately how come hubby and Girl got along swimmingly.
Since Girl has started her job at our workplace, I have noticed, a couple of changes have emerged in the relationship between hubby and me. The most evident of them all is that hubby spends a lot of time with Girl. He doesn't say it like this, of course. But I know he works overtime, sometimes multiple days in the week, on projects he undertakes with Girl to innovate. ‘Breathing new life into old ideas’. OK, honey. Then, there is our lunch breaks! We would enjoy these together, before. These moments I look forward to throughout the morning have had to make way more than once for “work stuff”. Code, of course, for “creative brainstorming” with Girl. He never mentions he is doing this work stuff with her; this is what alerted me in the first place. Why does he feel the need to leave out Girl when he tells me he can’t spend his lunch break with me?
I have asked him about this, by the way. I appreciate forthright communication and he has always done the same. His answer was pretty clear: he presumed I knew, since his job is basically a shared position, now, and presumed as well that I did not care. I told him that I don’t, but that I feel a bit strange about his total silence about Girl in this “work stuff”. We had a good, honest conversation about it, I thought, and so I thought that was the end of my paranoiac suspicions about him and Girl. Why was I worried, anyway? Hubby likes his women blonde and skinny. Girl is dark haired and somewhat on the chubby side. NOT his type. He has made (lighthearted) jokes about her figure. So, NO reason to fret. Right?
Some time on from this valuable conversation, Girl and hubby continue to be “work pals”. Since Girl lives closeby, on the mornings he is not the one to bring our kids to school, hubby picks her up in the early morning and they carpool to work together. This decision was not made by us both. One morning, hubby just told me he felt it would be a good thing to do. I asked “why?”. She can drive, after all, she has her own car. He said it just felt like a nice thing to do. OK, honey. So Girl and him do not just spend many lunchbreaks together, but they drive to work together, as well. Again I had a conversation with hubby about his relationship with Girl. I named it for what it was in my eyes, a relationship. I asked him if it didn’t feel strange, to somehow connect so well with a woman more than ten years his (our) junior. At this he seemed mildly ticked off. He expressed that he found it ‘difficult’ that I was suspicious of this work relationship, since he has not always been lucky to have pleasant co-workers; I said I was not suspicious, maybe a bit worried, since so much of his time and thoughts are shared with Girl. Eventually we agreed on a boundary, being that outside of school, he would limit his communication with Girl, as they were certainly crossing into close friendship territory as opposed to close colleague territory.
He agreed. Communication, however, has not ceased. It did for a little while, I think, but I am aware they speak on Facebook and message back and forth. Which in and of itself I find deeply appropriate for a late 30s father and a mid 20s single woman. So… I may or may not have snooped a week or two ago to see just what these messages contain. All in all the entire chat log was innocent. Back and forth about everything and nothing. Something in me, though, reads all of it as two people falling in love? I can’t quite put my finger on it. Mocking teasing, sending one another photo’s of “thing that reminded me of you today while I was shopping!”, juvenile memes I don’t understand but he seems to like. I also found out hubby has bought her a gift on occasion (one time, a set of books; another time, a necklace with the initial of her name). Why does he do this? Why doesn’t he tell me he does this?
Since this I have been living in this weird state of being torn between two roads. I do trust husband. He has never given me any reason to suspect him of infidelity. Out of everyone I know, hubby would be the last I would think is capable of lying, cheating, etc. And yet, on the other road there is the strange reality that we have grown a bit more distant. We are a good couple and good parents to our kids as we have been but I can’t say things haven’t cooled down in certain departments of our relationship. Barely any dates. Sex is… something that happens maybe once a month.
I hope this Bible I wrote paints a somewhat clear picture for you to be able to answer this post's title. Is hubby having an emotional affair? If this goes on, will he cheat? It's a tough spot to be in, I hope some other perspectives or perhaps even experiences from other women will help me recognize just what position I am in. Or, well, what to expect. Ask me any questions if you would like to know more. I am an open book and sort of desperate, I'll admit.
Thank you in advance!

OP posts:
Secondwifenotsecondbest · 30/10/2025 12:08

Thewookiemustgo talks a lot of sense and gives wonderfully practical, measured, reassuring and needed advice - she's (assuming a 'she') one of my MN heroes and I'm a huge fan🥰
OP, stay strong, stay brave and be the woman he's going to wish he'd never hurt so deeply and lost. You are worth so very much more than your twat of a H
xx

Thewookiemustgo · 30/10/2025 13:07

Crikeyalmighty · 30/10/2025 11:58

Beautifully put @Thewookiemustgo as always. I know you’ve been there and I have too - and indeed fully admit I’ve been on both sides of the fence - I was unhappy in my 1st marriage and I was the one who breached trust . I now see so clearly that it was ‘life’ I was unhappy with - the groundhog dayness of reality in my late 20s having been with the same guy from 15 . To quote the specials ‘I’d done too much, much too young’ - I suddenly wanted butterflies and romance and feeling special and I wasn’t getting it in my marriage one bit - I had become a bangmaid mixed with Mary poppins.

in my 2nd marriage but my husbands first I think my H went through similar. At around the 10 year married point - he missed romance, holding hands on sofa, feeling special and whijst he was 100% to blame for an emotional affair , I can see now how humongously hurtful it is and how it sadly changes feelings and trust

Thank you.
I will never, ever believe that if you have to ‘work’ at a relationship, it’s a bad relationship.
You have to make an effort in all relationships. If love is a verb, then it require actions and that is how you communicate to your loved one that you love them, you do stuff which shows that. You choose that, not choices that give you a thrill but cause them harm.
Building a life with the one you love is hard. Really, really hard. It’s worth it and a wonderful thing, but hard. Life constantly tries to get in the way. That’s why affairs feel so good, one long first date with no intervening dull stuff like chores and routine. Life catches up with affairs though. Getting caught out feels way worse than any Groundhog Day in a long marriage. Way, way worse.
A long term relationship is basically two people with their own baggage, different life and childhood experiences and issues, who are single, able to make life choices without much compromise, decide they’re going to live together and blend their lives together to create something better together. Creating anything worthwhile requires work, real effort, plus a ton of mutual compromise, loyalty and understanding. It means choosing love on days when the romantic spark and connection is hard to find, sometimes putting others before self, looking inward when problems arise to see if and where you have a responsibility in what’s going wrong, not looking externally to blame others and find quick fixes.
It’s not for the faint hearted and sometimes, when you’re the only one addressing issues, or trust gets irreparably broken, it’s the cue that it’s time to admit that the relationship might or does need to end.
It’s not the cue to shrug off your promises and responsibilities and dishonestly look elsewhere for an external “fix”.
Nobody marries a “soulmate”. They marry a human, with all their own flaws, fuck-ups and imperfections. Marriage isn’t like the adverts often, sometimes it really is more like Groundhog Day and that’s when you roll your sleeves up. @Crikeyalmighty we’ve all done stuff we’re not proud of but I can see that you’re an honest person, honest with yourself and ok with facing your responsibilities in your own issues. You understand yourself now, you’ve done the work to get there and you’re a better person for it. Everybody is a work in progress. Our major responsibility to ourselves is not to
lie to ourselves, to sort out our own backyard before we take the easy option , which is to look over the wall to point fingers at other people’s and decide they are our problem, it can’t possibly be us.
OP’s idiot man hasn’t woken up to this. Lord knows what it will take to wake him up and make him realise that his issues are the major problem in his life.

3luckystars · 30/10/2025 13:12

I have screenshotted that beautiful response. Thank you @Thewookiemustgo

Thewookiemustgo · 30/10/2025 14:26

@Secondwifenotsecondbest and @3luckystars thank you. That’s very kind of you. I’ve just been round the block a few times and in any crisis in my life I read, read read to try to understand it and
myself way better. One look at my bookshelves is like a tour through “Wookie’s Personal Shitshows.” 😂 I’ve also been somebody that people confide in, share stuff with and trust, so my anecdotal library is pretty full too.
@Crikeyalmighty I forgot to add that I love The Specials too (RIP Terry Hall) and that era gave us some fabulous social commentary lyricists, Madness were also geniuses at it. Jarvis Cocker of Pulp, albeit from a later era, also writes some amazing stuff.
@worriedmum1982 if you like music, choose your favourites to soothe, buoy you up or let out your anger with. Pick a quiet time, just for yourself and close your eyes and listen. Cry if it makes you cry, it’s not wallowing, it’s cathartic and a very, very wise friend of mine who is in her nineties, once said to me after I apologised for dwelling on and whingeing about something that was happening to me, said “It’s fine, Wookie, you need to go through it to understand it. Talk a lot it, write about it, listen to your music and cry if you need to. Sometimes you just need to wipe out the bowl.”
Use whatever you have at your disposal @worriedmum1982 to wipe out the bowl, to process and understand what’s happening to you and to feel and process your emotions. Don’t be brave when you just don’t feel like it, don’t stuff down feelings, because they don’t go away until you’ve acknowledged them, felt them and processed them. Given time when you start to feel better, sometimes unexpected feelings pop up and that’s also fine, I think in trauma your brain stuffs and numbs a lot of the pain and shock so deep down, that it’s only when you can cope with it that your brain lets it come to light.

Crikeyalmighty · 30/10/2025 15:15

@Thewookiemustgo two on my favourite songs reflecting on love from that era are Prefab sprouts when love breaks down and beautiful south’s a little Time Both rang bells for me I work in music it’s helped me through some shitty experiences.

NameChangedandsad · 30/10/2025 15:54

OP , I really felt your pain reading this thread in one go, what a week you have had.

This too is happening for a reason, is what I try telling myself in similar situations, how can I spin even this into a positive for me even though it doesnt feel like it right now at all.

The good news is you and your DC are safe and healthy and you have a stable job , and your conscience is clear, you are not the one who lost your head here.

I would , in your place, speak to the Head teacher and explain your marriage has broken down due to your H being in love with Girl and has moved out and apparently is hoping to build a romantic relationship with Girl now.

Explain that your job is very important to you and will take any support the school is willing to give to make it as less painful for you as possible , this transition period and in the future. It is up to them then , to look at policy and precedent, and decide whether to fire one or both, or transfer out one or both , or change their roles , or talk to them at the very least to have a plan going forward - I don't see the school authorities going to judge H and Girl kindly at all, but that is not why you are bringing this matter to their attention (for drama/revenge) , no you are doing so purely because you need their support to be able to continue to work there with all of this unfolding and you have a right to let them know what is going on in your life and how hard it is for you right now, work can be a haven sometimes for a person who's marriage is breaking down , but not for someone who's H and OW work at the same place.

The authorities will also be mindful of their duty of care to your children and how they will be feeling about all this. School is usually a haven to children when their home life is torn apart with their parents breaking up.

Your life is not a drama for us to read about, a bunch of us on here now really care about your situation and how you are feeling, so do continue to come here for support. Thinking of you.

NameChangedandsad · 30/10/2025 15:59

Missed out on the point I was making at the beginning of my post (before I got sidetracked into the workplace conversation point)

How can this situation ever be seen as a positive ? I have been reading long enough on here (and have enough life experience of my own) to know that many women had their marriages break down in similar situations and they thought their world (as they knew it) was ending, only to find they had never been as happy as they had thought they were, there was abuse that they could now looking back see clearer , or just found something better around the corner. Put your beautiful kids first , he hasn't - and he will bear the guilt of that forever, no matter what happens in his life from now on.
Eventually a bunch of new situations, opportunities and people you had never imagined will present themselves to you and these ten years past , you will look at from a different perspective. With time.

worriedmum1982 · 30/10/2025 16:44

Thus far:
I reached out to the appropriate staff members of the school to ask for an in person conversation re: my absence this week. They seemed a bit taken aback honestly, seeing as I have never much had to get in touch with them, besides for practical stuff, which I have let them know is not the case this time. I assume they can tell something is going on, or at least something is off, since they asked "if I am still so sick". I assume he has not let them in on anything that's been happening.
Anyway, the plan is to tell them I am filing for divorce from my husband because of his boundary crossing, inappropriate behavior, and to show the message sent to me by the mistress. I assume they'll ask around and try to map just what is going on, and, well, I trust the judgement of many here, that other coworkers likely will have noticed.
Husband called asking if he could take the kids home from one of their hobbies after eating someplace with them this week. Figured it'd be good for the children. He didn't even try to talk to me aside from this request. No how are you, or apology. He's in his own world I suppose. "Hi, bye". Kids are asking more and more questions, notably: "Are you angry at dad, mom? You look really mad." I suppose I've never been great at hiding my emotions.
Questionable ideation aside - for legal purposes this is a joke -, I did have a very enlightening convo with my mother today, over the phone. On a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being dead and 10 being excellent, I can say it's put me from a 2 to a 3, so. Baby steps.

NameChangedandsad · 30/10/2025 17:07

He is a silly excuse for a man OP , not worth too much pain and grievance over - you will grieve the time you spent with him over ten years - but many of us have the best of children from the worst of marriages so not all of the ten years can ever be regretted - it is what it is. Let yourself not ruminate this evening - instead watch a movie on netflix , eat some comfort food, have a nice hot bath - for a while, it works better to just take this one day at a time. It will get better, and soon.

UpMyself · 30/10/2025 17:12

You're doing so well @worriedmum1982 . Have you told the children? I would not be letting him collect the children just yet. He'll probably tell them a pile of lies or introduce them to his 'girlfriend'.

ThisTaupeZebra · 30/10/2025 17:21

x

NameChangedandsad · 30/10/2025 17:27

UpMyself · 30/10/2025 17:12

You're doing so well @worriedmum1982 . Have you told the children? I would not be letting him collect the children just yet. He'll probably tell them a pile of lies or introduce them to his 'girlfriend'.

Introducing DC to his 'girlfriend' ? That wont go too well for him if he does , kids have zero patience for bullshit ..... and bless them, they won't soften the verbal blow either at their dad for having a GF

Is he of sound mind sufficiently OP do you deem, to be having the kids for the evening/overnight ? would he deem you of sound mind cheerfully if the situation was reversed ? Agree with PP, suggest he get his head sorted and cool off a bit ( the great love story going on right now has him all over the place) before taking the kids as he will probably regret whatever he says to them right now later. Stupid silly man.

outerspacepotato · 30/10/2025 17:29

I think you need to sit down and let the kids know you've separated and things will be different going on. They'll probably take it hard and this is going to be really stressful on all of you.

I wouldn't have him taking the kids until that's done. Adding, overnights should wait until he's got a stable place to live with room for them.

Depending on their ages, you can think about what to tell them about why their dad left. Depending, they might figure it out on their own or he might have picked them up with her in the car. Kids are much sharper than a lot of adults give them credit for and hear a lot more than adults think.

Freeme31 · 30/10/2025 18:22

OP please tell your employer everything & colleague’s, we worked with a woman whose husband did the same and we were able to support her appropriately because we knew the circumstances which made a huge difference to her. Everyone then ignored the husband and OW until it was unbearable and both left (well the trash took itself out) Get all the support you can your doing fantastic it might not always feel like it but you are

OchreRaven · 31/10/2025 07:49

If I was you I would be tempted to send one final message to the OW so you have the last say and she doesn’t set the narrative in her own head that what they have is some sort of undeniable connection they couldn’t help and your marriage was over before this anyway. Make sure she knows anything coming down the line at work for her is not because you are a crazy ex but because of her actions.

Something like ’Girl, I am glad that I found out what has been said behind my back. I do not recognise the man who said those things to you. He never complained about our marriage and continued to have an intimate relationship with me. I have no desire to be with someone who can lie and manipulate then be so cold and detached once their true self has been revealed. I don’t blame you, it was not your responsibility to safeguard our marriage. I’m just glad I found out while I still have time to rebuild my life. And whilst I don’t blame you, I think you are naive if you don’t recognise your part in helping him hurt and abuse his family. But it’s up to you to reflect whether your actions and words show your integrity and professionalism. We all make mistakes but now yours have been bought into the light I hope you hold yourself to a higher standard. And if you decide STBX is the person you want to invest your life in then I hope for your sake his ability to lie, deceive, and hurt the people closest to him doesn’t come back around to harm you emotionally or professionally. I don’t hold any anger towards you but I also need to take care of my own mental health and wellbeing and I hope you understand that.’

Mummacake · 31/10/2025 08:45

OP he really didn't like you mentioning the age gap. Sounds a bit midlife crisis with this young woman tbh but you need to have that shape up or ship out conversation with him now. No doubt they're the talk of the staff room & if she was uncomfortable with the gifts and lists she'd put some space between them - not blaming her at all - he's the older 'experienced' person here and she may be concerned that by putting in boundaries could damage her career. He's being a creep & a disrespectful one at that.

sharkstale · 31/10/2025 09:06

OchreRaven · 31/10/2025 07:49

If I was you I would be tempted to send one final message to the OW so you have the last say and she doesn’t set the narrative in her own head that what they have is some sort of undeniable connection they couldn’t help and your marriage was over before this anyway. Make sure she knows anything coming down the line at work for her is not because you are a crazy ex but because of her actions.

Something like ’Girl, I am glad that I found out what has been said behind my back. I do not recognise the man who said those things to you. He never complained about our marriage and continued to have an intimate relationship with me. I have no desire to be with someone who can lie and manipulate then be so cold and detached once their true self has been revealed. I don’t blame you, it was not your responsibility to safeguard our marriage. I’m just glad I found out while I still have time to rebuild my life. And whilst I don’t blame you, I think you are naive if you don’t recognise your part in helping him hurt and abuse his family. But it’s up to you to reflect whether your actions and words show your integrity and professionalism. We all make mistakes but now yours have been bought into the light I hope you hold yourself to a higher standard. And if you decide STBX is the person you want to invest your life in then I hope for your sake his ability to lie, deceive, and hurt the people closest to him doesn’t come back around to harm you emotionally or professionally. I don’t hold any anger towards you but I also need to take care of my own mental health and wellbeing and I hope you understand that.’

This is perfect.

UpMyself · 31/10/2025 09:44

Do not send that suggested message.

RealEagle · 31/10/2025 09:56

UpMyself · 31/10/2025 09:44

Do not send that suggested message.

I agree

MrTiddlesTheCat · 31/10/2025 10:31

RealEagle · 31/10/2025 09:56

I agree

Me too.

UpMyself · 31/10/2025 10:45

@sharkstale , @OchreRaven , that message would make the OP look like a jealous wife, and it would not be taken seriously by the OW. It could be used against OP.

OP's best bet is to let the school know what happened, so that they can support her and decide what happens with the other 2, and not communicate with OW at all, and with her STNXH only on matters involving the home and children.

OP owes 'Girl' nothing. 'Girl' can suffer the consequences of her own actions.

RiseOfTheTeenyTinies · 31/10/2025 13:25

Just another agreeing not to send that message or any other to Girl at this point. Given you all work in the same place this has the potential to get very difficult and you need to safeguard your position.

outerspacepotato · 31/10/2025 13:31

OP's best bet is to let the school know what happened, so that they can support her and decide what happens with the other 2, and not communicate with OW at all, and with her STNXH only on matters involving the home and children.

I agree with this.

Sending messages only gives AP and your husband ammunition to play the victim. Give them nothing.

I think the school does need to know for your own benefit and for their own. He's not fit to place young women in an associate role with. If she reported the messages where you said he was pressuring her to make their relationship physical, this would be considered sexual harassment.

She thinks it's complicated now, wait a couple months. That was a passive aggressive shot across your bow. Do not give her anything.

BudgetWurzel · 31/10/2025 13:53

outerspacepotato · 31/10/2025 13:31

OP's best bet is to let the school know what happened, so that they can support her and decide what happens with the other 2, and not communicate with OW at all, and with her STNXH only on matters involving the home and children.

I agree with this.

Sending messages only gives AP and your husband ammunition to play the victim. Give them nothing.

I think the school does need to know for your own benefit and for their own. He's not fit to place young women in an associate role with. If she reported the messages where you said he was pressuring her to make their relationship physical, this would be considered sexual harassment.

She thinks it's complicated now, wait a couple months. That was a passive aggressive shot across your bow. Do not give her anything.

Edited

Agree with absolutely all of this. Give them nothing! Do not communicate any further with OW. It's so easy to be portrayed as a vengeful nutty bunnyboiler. When you come through the other side you will feel so much better for not engaging with any bullshit.

SomewhatAnnoyed · 31/10/2025 14:30

OchreRaven · 31/10/2025 07:49

If I was you I would be tempted to send one final message to the OW so you have the last say and she doesn’t set the narrative in her own head that what they have is some sort of undeniable connection they couldn’t help and your marriage was over before this anyway. Make sure she knows anything coming down the line at work for her is not because you are a crazy ex but because of her actions.

Something like ’Girl, I am glad that I found out what has been said behind my back. I do not recognise the man who said those things to you. He never complained about our marriage and continued to have an intimate relationship with me. I have no desire to be with someone who can lie and manipulate then be so cold and detached once their true self has been revealed. I don’t blame you, it was not your responsibility to safeguard our marriage. I’m just glad I found out while I still have time to rebuild my life. And whilst I don’t blame you, I think you are naive if you don’t recognise your part in helping him hurt and abuse his family. But it’s up to you to reflect whether your actions and words show your integrity and professionalism. We all make mistakes but now yours have been bought into the light I hope you hold yourself to a higher standard. And if you decide STBX is the person you want to invest your life in then I hope for your sake his ability to lie, deceive, and hurt the people closest to him doesn’t come back around to harm you emotionally or professionally. I don’t hold any anger towards you but I also need to take care of my own mental health and wellbeing and I hope you understand that.’

Why the hell does OW get off Scott free?!!

Why isn’t she being blamed equally in this narrative and OP is meant to hold no ill feelings towards her?? Huh?!

As someone mentioned upthread, OP isn’t even some faceless ‘wife’, she’s her work colleague FFS

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