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Choosing DH or teenage nearly adult children

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789vghu8 · 11/10/2025 21:58

Been married 20 years with 2 teenage kids. When I met DH he was a breath of fresh air he had his own house, a really good job , was quite intelligent and most important of all and why I fell for him was how good he was at conversation and he was interested in me as a person (and not just a snog or an easy shag) We met in a nightclub!!!

He has been a fantastic husband in the early days but not a great father unfortunately, and because of this I started to resent him many years ago. As time has gone on and the children got older he got better but still couldn't and can't understand why I do so much for them and why now they are still living with us.

It all come to a head today as we went to a uni open day with my DD. He doesn't do family stuff so we have done all other visits on our own but this one was bit further away and I wasn't comfortable driving that far so I asked him for help - (I rarely ask him for any type of help as it just causes stress so I do everything to do with the children on my own) He reluctantly agreed but his answer was if DD wants to go to uni open day she is 17 she goes on her own at 17 why the hell would she want her parents tagging along and he got really angry with me last night as he said that there would be no other parents at the open day even though I assured him there would be as I have done several open days these last few weeks.

So apparently we have all sucked the life out of him since my eldest was born by putting so many demands on him -first it was parents evening , then swimming lessons, then football games, birthday parties all things i expected him to attend but actually after 2 years of asking I didn't expect any type of involvement from him. He says now the children are older I am still running round after them and I need to decide who is the priority - them or him.

He will never collect or pick children up from anywhere, never been to watch my sons football games or ever looked after the children for more than 3 hours.

I have sucked the life out of him with all my expectations.

However he will take my auntie to all her hospital appointments and is very helpful to our neighbours. This is because they are old and infirm and unable to look after themselves. If myself or one of the kids asks for a favour he won't help us out.

He wants me to choose. Kids are 19 and 17 and almost adults but I still want to do stuff with them and I am really close to both of them which he can't understand but as he was very distant when they were little it has always fallen on me to do everything and as a result neither child really has a relationship with him which is what he wants but I can't choose between him and them so I really feel stuck in the middle. Kids will not need me soon but if I don't stop doing things with them I will lose him and I don't know why I am so scared as he has never really been 'there'

OP posts:
Waitaminutewheresmejumper · 12/10/2025 08:19

What do you mean, you can't choose between them? Just because you did lots with your children doesn't change the fact you've allowed them to be emotionally and practically neglected for nearly 2 decades. What a lousy way for them to grow up.

CremeBruhlee · 12/10/2025 08:19

This is such a shame. You should have demanded more from him years ago and asked him to get counselling as he has clearly got some real issues around parenting.

Kids all the way. I would leave him personally as I would forever resent him for doing this to them and ruining this part of your life.

I hope that this is a warning for the women who allow their partners to opt of of parenting at the beginning for an easy life.

Sometimes it would have been easier to go to the parents evening alone, tell him to opt out of the more boring days out, let him not go to the parties as he knew less people but these things matter and also prompted conversations around good parenting and stepping up and also self care if we felt we didn’t have energy in the tank to step up.

Sorry but your kids every time….

springissprung2025 · 12/10/2025 08:21

You are as guilty of emotionally neglecting your children as he is. If you were describing physical abuse over your children’s lifetime in exactly the same scenario I’d imagine most posters would hate what you’ve put your children through. Is having the husband and lifestyle worth it OP? One day your children may be in therapy and you’ll have a lot of questions to answer

TheWeeDonkeyFella · 12/10/2025 08:21

Poor kids growing up with that.

WearyCat · 12/10/2025 08:21

I’d be surprised if it really is only with the children that he shows up like this. Are there other things in your life that he resents? Do they have a common thread linking them together?

In answer to your question. There is no choice here- your children have to come first.

But what on earth would it look like if you chose him? Would you be kicking the kids out and pointing them to the local homeless shelter? What does he envisage? How can he justify it? It’s mind boggling to me, the more I think about it the worse it gets. He is monstrously selfish and if you (continue to) put him first, he will not stop there. You’ll spend your life dancing to his tune, and very sad and lonely without your kids.

holrosea · 12/10/2025 08:21

I am late thirties and my parents have been a near constant presence/support in my life.

I moved away for uni, moved straight in with a partner at graduation, and then moved to Europe a year later, but not a week has gone by without some form of contact or support coming from them. As adults, both my sibling and I visit/holiday with them, and we try to spend Christmas together or celbrate birthdays - mostly belatedly.

Your DH's mentality is beyond my understanding. I cannot imagine how hurtful it must be for your children to know that their dad just doesn't care about them and is not interested in them.

My dad came to every one of my university open days, he drove me up and down the country. They dropped me off at uni together and made my room nice. They made it clear to my sibling & I that if we ever need the support or a place to start over, we would always be welcome back at home. Your DH's attitude to his own children is mindblowing.

DorothyStorm · 12/10/2025 08:23

Waitaminutewheresmejumper · 12/10/2025 08:19

What do you mean, you can't choose between them? Just because you did lots with your children doesn't change the fact you've allowed them to be emotionally and practically neglected for nearly 2 decades. What a lousy way for them to grow up.

this. How can you call a man a great husband when he abused your children their entire lives and now wants them cut off from their mother.

Hellovation · 12/10/2025 08:26

This really isn’t even a question surely? Your children, should have been your answer the minute those words left his mouth.

I'm confused- he was a shit father off the bat, but went ahead and had a second child in quick succession? I’m most confused about why you’ve stayed this long and let them suffer this sort of parent to be honest.

this can’t be a happy life for you?

DoRayMeMeMe · 12/10/2025 08:26

Have you ever pointed out that his expectations are off the wall. Or that his parents are actually profoundly selfish and “Shit Parents” .
Can he actually talk about anything where you might have a different opinion or is his opinion gospel?

Is he ever be prepared to state and own his view in front of people outside the family? Or does he expect you to keep secret that he thinks kids should receive minimal or no help from 16 onwards, and that close family ties are somehow repugnant to him? Have you pointed out that his upbringing, which has left him unable to parent effectively, was actually quite substandard? What sort of childhood would your kids have had if you had died 10 or 15 years ago (fucking awful is the answer).

The reality is he has been carried as a parent for years, and is utterly oblivious to it. So I think I would start with getting to that reality. Trying to break family bonds (between you and your siblings, and now between you and your children) is very abusive and he could do with knowing that that is how you view it.

If he insists tell him to go. He has done well to get this far in life with zero introspection, but really this far and no further.

TrifleSprinkles · 12/10/2025 08:30

It's a bit late in the day but did you ever consider asking your children what they want?

I sincerely hope he was half way kind to them at the least.

OctopusFriend · 12/10/2025 08:30

DorothyStorm · 12/10/2025 08:23

this. How can you call a man a great husband when he abused your children their entire lives and now wants them cut off from their mother.

This ⬆️

Liondoesntsleepatnight · 12/10/2025 08:30

You tell your husband that you are parenting your children how you want to, carry on.

ForTipsyFinch · 12/10/2025 08:31

I’m shocked you would want a horrible man like this tbh 😅

Your children deserve a better father goes without saying, but they all deserve a mother who wouldn’t consider choosing an abusive and pretty weird sounding man over them.

You should really feel embarrassed tbh.

OctopusFriend · 12/10/2025 08:32

How on earth can you find this man attractive?

chunkychoos · 12/10/2025 08:33

Imagine your children as adults with their own houses, jobs, families - and you're left with HIM on your own.

Your post has made me feel sad for your children. I don't know why you've put up with this for so long.

TwistedWonder · 12/10/2025 08:34

JFC - I’ve just read the bit where your DS phoning you to ask a perfectly normal teenage question resulting in the cunt you’re married to throwing a tantrum, saying it ruined the night and refusing to go out since. What a controlling abusive wanker he is and yet you enable his emotional abuse of you and your DC and tie yourself into a pretzel appeasing him to your DV detriment.

He is an abuser pure and simple and yet you are still putting him above your kids

OctopusFriend · 12/10/2025 08:37

TwistedWonder · 12/10/2025 08:34

JFC - I’ve just read the bit where your DS phoning you to ask a perfectly normal teenage question resulting in the cunt you’re married to throwing a tantrum, saying it ruined the night and refusing to go out since. What a controlling abusive wanker he is and yet you enable his emotional abuse of you and your DC and tie yourself into a pretzel appeasing him to your DV detriment.

He is an abuser pure and simple and yet you are still putting him above your kids

Edited

He said it "ruined his evening" - well that would be the last evening I ever had with that nasty, self centred oaf.

LargeChestofDrawers · 12/10/2025 08:39

It's interesting that he is parenting in the same way his parents 'parented' him. So from the age of 14, he was just left to get on with it. Did he like that, I wonder? Did he suffer in any way because of it? Why does he want to do the same to his own children? Or is it that he simply cannot see any other way? Maybe he has admired his own parents' marriage? Maybe when he was 14 he felt left out and envious of their 'bond', which is why he wants to recreate it with you? The sins of the fathers and all that.

However, the choice is not really a choice. You can't choose him or the kids. If he's making you choose then it's him that should go. Otherwise you risk losing your grandchildren and complete family life.

ForGladGreen · 12/10/2025 08:40

comments on this point are at this point probably an echo chamber of so many people saying the same thing to you, but OP please know how utterly bizarre damaging and twisted this is. Your kids are going to reap the results of this man’s behaviour for many many years to come.

what you seem to be overlooking (I think because you have all been under the control of this man and his moods, temper and expectations for so long now) is that your marriage only works if you magically forget that you have brought 2 children into the world. You say you leave the house without the kids and he is back to his happy go lucky self, when you go out just you 2 it’s back to old times. But it isn’t, it’s only that way if you are pretending in those moments that you don’t have kids for fear of annoying this (likely) sociopath?! If you’re sat there thinking “better not mention the children” and you’re having a conversation with him and he is asking about your week, one of you is having a good time in that conversation (him). He can talk all day long about what his week has looked like, what he read recently that is good, what he watched that was good. You on the other hand, you who is being a single parent and whose brain looks like a million tabs of what each child is doing / going through / has coming up / appts / homework / deadlines / heart ache / friend drama - you have all that whirring around in your head. And yet when he asks you how you are, what’s going on with you, you have to enter into this warped dance where you have to pretend that your brain isn’t full of all these things because god forbid you should mention the kids. You have to answer him and chat with him as if you are just two childless adults, because that’s the way he wants it and these are the rules he expects you to follow.

if the way this marriage “works” is by you both never talking about your children, not picking up the phone to them, not going out with them as a family, not eating with them then let me be clear - this marriage does not work. It’s a fantasy.

his parents being blissfully happy and a devoted couple for the last 60 years at the expense of their son only worked presumably because both of his parents sound as nuts and cold as he is. If both parents are on board with being neglectful, then yes fill your boots and focus all your energy on being a married couple and that alone.

But the difference here is that you have a marriage of two completely different people with two very different goals. One of you (you their mother) has given their life to raising your children single handedly, doing literally every single thing for them: the mental load, the physical load, every drop off, bedtime story, bath, bed, parents evening, drying their tears after heart ache - every moment of their lives you have been their physical and emotional caretaker, their safe space. While the other one (their father) has made it very clear he wants absolutely nothing to do with them, albeit he cooks for you all from scratch (and presumably enjoys this very much as it gives him hours in the kitchen on his own not having to talk to anyone) then eats on his own so that he doesn’t have to stomach being around his own children. This man has watched his wife do everything for his children, and worst of all he has let it be known to his kids that he doesn’t like them and doesn’t want anything to do with them. He exists in their house as a phantom of neglect and disappointment.

let me be clear to you OP - what you have done and continue to do by letting your kids be around this every day and think it is normal is nothing short of abuse. And they will speak about their father and the damage it had on them for the rest of their lives. But they will also talk about you. They will observe how their mother facilitated this behaviour, and how she allowed it. Every day. You letting your children think it is ok for a dad to not even want to sit for dinner with his kids, to not ask them about their day, to not want to help them or offer them advice, to not say good night and I love you, to not go to a parents evening to hear how they are thriving and how they might need more help, to not ask about their friendships and heartaches. He doesn’t care for what they want to be when they grow older, what they want to achieve. He doesn’t want to visit their uni accomodation and see where they might take their first steps to adulthood. All of that is on him, and is a cruelty he has inflicted on them, but YOU are complicit in this damage. You have watched it happen, and you have allowed it to happen.

you now have a choice here, remained married to this egotistical sociopath and spend the rest of your days walking on eggshells for god forbid you should even MENTION or want to hang out with your amazing children. Or you can decide to break free from this man and for the first time in their lives give your children an example of what it means to be a good mother.

parenthood does not end when your kids turn 18. you have the chance to be in their lives, meet their future partners, go out for dinner and to the theatre with them, debrief on the struggles they’re having at work and offer them advice, be proudly sat at their weddings, hold their babies and love on your grandchildren. the only way ANY of this happens is if you leave this sad and sorry man.

sorry for my strength of feeling but this has to be a top 3 most depressing posts to have ever read on mumsnet. Your poor poor kids. Please show them they are worth more than this.

gmgnts · 12/10/2025 08:40

Is having your laundry done and your meals cooked worth giving up a relationship with your children? I don't think so! Your children must already be scarred by their father's rejection of them. If you 'choose' him over them you can forget about any relationship with them in the future. How very sad that you're in this situation and how sad that you need to ask who to choose.

MousseMousse · 12/10/2025 08:41

I honestly don't know how you've lasted so long with him.

If myself or one of the kids asks for a favour he won't help us out

He won't do favours for you either.

The bar is incredibly low if what makes him a great husband is his share of the domestic chores and occasional non-moody conversation!

No doubt you'll be reading replies feeling guilty and that you've inadvertently portrayed him j.in a far worse light than he is. Well you haven't. You've told us plenty of good points and I'm sure he can be very loving towards you.

But it's only ever when he's getting his own way isn't it?

Choose your children. Choose yourself.

Whenlifegiveslemons · 12/10/2025 08:41

My mum chose the man over her kids - it wasn't my dad but he hated us - I knew it from an early age. Choose your kids - they need you.

Shakeyourwammyfannyfunkysong · 12/10/2025 08:42

Sorry OP but he sounds awful. I'm not sure I'd want to be in the same room as him more than 5 minutes never mind be married to him and parent (? if you could call his efforts parenting...) children. Each to their own I guess....

Thehop · 12/10/2025 08:42

He is a TERRIBLE husband and worse father. This bastard has used your body to create 2 children he never even liked!!! He bullied you with his behaviour into solo parenting for fear of his moods and now expects you to abandon them and fawn over him?

I don't know how you can stand to be near him frankly and this would be an easy response for me with relief he was pissing off.

tou are lucky your kids still bother with you. If you don't get rid of him now youll
never have a relationship with your grandchildren.

CurlewKate · 12/10/2025 08:43

My “children” still need their dad and me and they are much older than yours!

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